Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:04:14PM +, Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:22PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, where to direct people for collaboration? It is up to you. From a management point of view, I don't think you should look for many people as the drivers. We already have two people in this thread which volunteered for that (you are one of the two). I suggest you start together to shape the first draft and see how to make the work fit in the DEP process (remember that Sam proposed the copyright stuff before we had DEPs). Okay, sure. Well, it has already been requested that this be delayed until after Lenny and I think that sounds like a good idea. Once we have that out of the way I will being to push this forward as a DEP. Hrm, who requested this (and where)? This seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to work on in parallel to the release, IMHO. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03 2008, Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:52:39AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Why do you need a separate mailing list for a single proposal? Please discuss this on debian-devel or debian-project, which are already perfectly adequate lists for this. We have struggled enough with the proposal as it is. My fear is that discussing it on debian-devel will open it up to fire-and-forget criticism that lacks context of previous discussions, is poorly thought out, results in spiralling threads and contributes little to the effort. If there was some dedicated forum for discussing this, even if this was simply a DEP mailing list, I think it would encourage thoughtful and committed contributions from all involved. Then you'll just have to go through another round of discussion and debate before this proposal could be implemented, I think. Something as intrusive as this proposal can't be just discussed in special purpose mailing lists. manoj -- Let's just be friends and make no special effort to ever see each other again. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:16:44PM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. Err, not quite right: Policy 4.5: Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file */usr/share/doc/package/copyright*[...] Policy 12.5: You are totally overlooking the reality of copyright files. Yes, policy states that each binary package comes with a license, but I believe you know that maintainers write exactly one copyright file per *source* package which is then copied verbatim in each binary generated by that source. The reason is really simple: licenses and copyrights apply to source files, which then get blended together (via linking usually, but can be a lot of other processes) into binary packages. There is no fully general and sane way to distribute copyright / licensing information to binary files, and hence packages. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..| . |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. This seems like an excellent idea, and seems in line with the comment at the top of the current wiki page too. I volunteer to help on this. Maybe we can set up a vc repository to start working on the DEP? The wiki page can be used as a starting point, assuming the license is acceptable. /Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Hey, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:25:20PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. This seems like an excellent idea, and seems in line with the comment at the top of the current wiki page too. I volunteer to help on this. Maybe we can set up a vc repository to start working on the DEP? The wiki page can be used as a starting point, assuming the license is acceptable. As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Come on, do you really need all this for just the DEP drivers? The idea behind DEPs is to have a small (2-3 typically) number of drivers, which can easily discuss among them via private mail, just for the sake of shaping the work. Then, for the various intermediate steps (draft, ...) the discussion will be public anyhow, and it is assumed to take part on the most appropriate mailing list (I'd say -devel for this particular DEP, in other cases can be -project). As a repository if we want we have the DEP repository which can be used by that, but you are free also to use the wiki page (maybe a new, temporarily private one) or a personal repo of yours. I don't think we really need to create a new infrastructure. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..| . |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:05:56PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Come on, do you really need all this for just the DEP drivers? The idea behind DEPs is to have a small (2-3 typically) number of drivers, which can easily discuss among them via private mail, just for the sake of shaping the work. Then, for the various intermediate steps (draft, ...) the discussion will be public anyhow, and it is assumed to take part on the most appropriate mailing list (I'd say -devel for this particular DEP, in other cases can be -project). Oh, okay, that makes sense. How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, where to direct people for collaboration? As a repository if we want we have the DEP repository which can be used by that, but you are free also to use the wiki page (maybe a new, temporarily private one) or a personal repo of yours. The existing DEP repository should be fine. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:46:29PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that users can filter out the ones they don't wont easily. I don't object [...] Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. That is easy(ish) to solve: just copy the information from the source to all the binary packages. It may not always be correct (a game can have the program package containing mostly GPLv3 and the game data package containing mostly CC-By-SA), but it could be correct enough (both the game and game data will have both GPLv3 and CC-By-SA tags). Moreover, copyright is something already coded (and correctly fixed) in debian/copyright. The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. The wish for encoding licenses in debtags categories periodically shows up, so I collected some pointers to old discussions in the FAQ: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/faq.html#any-reason-why-there-are-no-license-tags-in-debtags My current plan is to wait until http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat happens and see if I can automatically derive a facet out of those information. Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 1024D/797EBFAB 2000-12-05 Enrico Zini [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:18:35PM +, Enrico Zini wrote: The wish for encoding licenses in debtags categories periodically shows up, so I collected some pointers to old discussions in the FAQ: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/faq.html#any-reason-why-there-are-no-license-tags-in-debtags My current plan is to wait until http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat happens and see if I can automatically derive a facet out of those information. That totally makes sense, I agree it would be the best final outcome. That way we will have the information encoded in the suitable place, yet we will provide different ways of accessing it. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..| . |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:25:20PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. This seems like an excellent idea, and seems in line with the comment at the top of the current wiki page too. I volunteer to help on this. Maybe we can set up a vc repository to start working on the DEP? The wiki page can be used as a starting point, assuming the license is acceptable. As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. Great, then maybe finding volunteers isn't actually a problem, as the subject line implied. To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Good idea. Can't debian-legal be used for discussion though? Alternatively, if a list is set up to discuss any DEP proposals. A list to discuss just the copyright file format specifications seems somewhat overkill. But maybe I'm wrong and the format will be discussed forever and ever. /Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, where to direct people for collaboration? It is up to you. From a management point of view, I don't think you should look for many people as the drivers. We already have two people in this thread which volunteered for that (you are one of the two). I suggest you start together to shape the first draft and see how to make the work fit in the DEP process (remember that Sam proposed the copyright stuff before we had DEPs). Also, you should get your DEP number (see DEP0 for info). Then, when you have a draft, you post it to -devel looking for consensus. The main role of the drivers is keep the ball rolling, trying to reach consensus. As a repository if we want we have the DEP repository which can be used by that, but you are free also to use the wiki page (maybe a new, temporarily private one) or a personal repo of yours. The existing DEP repository should be fine. OK, I must admit I don't remember the details of how to access it. I Cc: Adeodato Simo, which did most of the work on the technical side, he can provide info (but I'm sure you can find out by yourself, IIRC it is the dep alioth project, you can require to be added to it as usual). Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 [EMAIL PROTECTED],pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Dietro un grande uomo c'è ..| . |. Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:57:33PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. Great, then maybe finding volunteers isn't actually a problem, as the subject line implied. The current contributers are pretty active, which is great. Good idea. Can't debian-legal be used for discussion though? Alternatively, if a list is set up to discuss any DEP proposals. A list to discuss just the copyright file format specifications seems somewhat overkill. But maybe I'm wrong and the format will be discussed forever and ever. Well, as is always the case with these things, without any direction this proposal could be discussed until the heat death of the Universe and in fact we have already witnessed the same things come up time and time again. Moving this to a more formal channel and spending a bit of time getting some consensus before wrapping it up is absolutely the right move. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:22PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:26:03PM +, Noah Slater wrote: How should we go about collecting to the contributers? Should I post a note to the wiki (alerting the subscribers) about this, and if so, where to direct people for collaboration? It is up to you. From a management point of view, I don't think you should look for many people as the drivers. We already have two people in this thread which volunteered for that (you are one of the two). I suggest you start together to shape the first draft and see how to make the work fit in the DEP process (remember that Sam proposed the copyright stuff before we had DEPs). Okay, sure. Well, it has already been requested that this be delayed until after Lenny and I think that sounds like a good idea. Once we have that out of the way I will being to push this forward as a DEP. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Why do you need a separate mailing list for a single proposal? Please discuss this on debian-devel or debian-project, which are already perfectly adequate lists for this. (Not on debian-legal, which is these days beset with wankers with no technical experience in Debian who don't need to be allowed to leave their stink on proposals that affect the contents of every Debian package.) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:52:39AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:49:25AM +, Noah Slater wrote: As one of the primary contributers to the copyright proposal I would obviously like to be involved in its ratification. I am guessing some of the other main contributers would like to be involved too. To get this started we need a mailing list and a repository, then we can place a notice on the wiki directing people to the mailing list and make the wiki page immutable so that there is no confusion. Why do you need a separate mailing list for a single proposal? Please discuss this on debian-devel or debian-project, which are already perfectly adequate lists for this. We have struggled enough with the proposal as it is. My fear is that discussing it on debian-devel will open it up to fire-and-forget criticism that lacks context of previous discussions, is poorly thought out, results in spiralling threads and contributes little to the effort. If there was some dedicated forum for discussing this, even if this was simply a DEP mailing list, I think it would encourage thoughtful and committed contributions from all involved. (Not on debian-legal, which is these days beset with wankers with no technical experience in Debian who don't need to be allowed to leave their stink on proposals that affect the contents of every Debian package.) Is this language entirely appropriate or constructive? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 08:52:17PM +, Noah Slater a écrit : We have struggled enough with the proposal as it is. My fear is that discussing it on debian-devel will open it up to fire-and-forget criticism that lacks context of previous discussions, is poorly thought out, results in spiralling threads and contributes little to the effort. Hi Noah, I think that you will unfortunately go through this if you want to reach the users of the format (me for instance). But you have two tools for your success: - The wiki, in which you can record objections and counter-arguments. - The delete button of your mail browser. Rendez-vous after Lenny release on -devel :) -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:50:15AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Rendez-vous after Lenny release on -devel :) Heh heh. Sure thing, Charles. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
2008/12/2 Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ M-F-T set to -devel ] On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that users can filter out the ones they don't wont easily. I don't object Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. Moreover, copyright is something already coded (and correctly fixed) in debian/copyright. The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? Greetings, Miry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:51:04PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: 2008/12/2 Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ M-F-T set to -devel ] On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:30:54PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote: We should somehow tag those conflictive licenses with debtags, so that users can filter out the ones they don't wont easily. I don't object Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. Moreover, copyright is something already coded (and correctly fixed) in debian/copyright. The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? It's linked from the packages.d.o and PTS page for the package. -- James GPG Key: 1024D/61326D40 2003-09-02 James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Quoth Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? p.d.o appears to permit viewing copyright files of packages currently in the archive. As an example: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-games/gnome-games_2.22.3-3/gnome-games.copyright Miry --- Drake Wilson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
2008/12/2 Drake Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoth Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? p.d.o appears to permit viewing copyright files of packages currently in the archive. As an example: I know. I really don't want to start a flame on this, but you have to be online for that, which is not always true, and also, it's not really easy to add automatic filtering support to any tools based on that. Thanks anyway :) Greetings, Miry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:36:15 +0100 Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/2 Drake Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoth Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 2008-12-02 21:51:04 +0100: Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? p.d.o appears to permit viewing copyright files of packages currently in the archive. As an example: I know. I really don't want to start a flame on this, but you have to be online for that, which is not always true, and also, it's not really easy to add automatic filtering support to any tools based on that. Would something like apt-listbugs work? I know it doesnt address the offline issue, but seems to fit as a concept for the rest of the problem. kk Thanks anyway :) Greetings, Miry -- Karl Goetz, (Kamping_Kaiser / VK5FOSS) Debian user / gNewSense contributor http://www.kgoetz.id.au No, I won't join your social networking group -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
2008/12/2 Karl Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would something like apt-listbugs work? I know it doesnt address the offline issue, but seems to fit as a concept for the rest of the problem. Yep, that should be enough, as long as there is a way (with some possible development in the future) for a user to say: don't install me anything AGPL nor GFDL and the system automatically knows which packages are out. I planned to implement it with debtags, but other possible solutions are of course welcome, if they are better :) Greetings, Miry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Miriam Ruiz dijo [Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 09:51:04PM +0100]: The solution to your problem already exists (actually, it has been *designed* for that): http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat , it just needs someone with the energy of finalizing the proposal (most likely via a DEP), so that is stops being an ever changing wiki page. Well, not exactly, you cannot easily see the copyright file before installing the package, can you? You could, if we set a service to do it ;-) Besides, this tool could group you the packages by license, or do any nice amount of transformations with it, if a sizable portion of the archive used this proposal. -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Miriam Ruiz wrote: 2008/12/2 Karl Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would something like apt-listbugs work? I know it doesnt address the offline issue, but seems to fit as a concept for the rest of the problem. Yep, that should be enough, as long as there is a way (with some possible development in the future) for a user to say: don't install me anything AGPL nor GFDL and the system automatically knows which packages are out. I planned to implement it with debtags, but other possible solutions are of course welcome, if they are better :) That's a long-standing item on my Debian todo list, it would be great if you could accomplish it. Greetings, Miry Cheers, Raphael Geissert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: volunteers wanted for driving/finalizing a DEP on debian/copyright format
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [...] Except that debtags are right now for binary packages, whereas copyright is for source packages. Err, not quite right: Policy 4.5: Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file */usr/share/doc/package/copyright*[...] Policy 12.5: Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file */usr/share/doc/package/copyright*. [...] A copy of the file which will be installed in /usr/share/doc/package/copyright _should_ be in debian/copyright in the *source package*. Cheers, Raphael Geissert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
