Re: UTF-8 man pages
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 09:24:32PM +0100, David Given wrote: I'm trying to package a simple tool that wants a Japanese string in its man page. It would appear that currently, man pages use fixed encodings that vary depending on which locale's man page is being looked up; English uses ISO-8859-1, so it's not possible to use kanji in one. Various people on -mentors suggested that this was wrong as there was a plan in place to convert to using UTF-8 throughout, and that I should bring this up here; I can't find any references to such a plan on the 'net --- is there one? What's its status? And what should I do to get my man page working? Belatedly, I'd like to point this list at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440420 ... though it won't help you as such just yet due to the caveat I mention at the end of my transition plan, but it's part of the process of getting there from here. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 man pages
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 06:10:53PM +0100, David Given wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: [...] I would personally like to see this happen, but until it does we are limited (I believe) to the glyphs described in groff_char(7). I am not aware of any Japanese support at all except in specially-patched versions. I do know that Debian uses EUC-JP encoded man pages if you're in the Japanese locale, so multibyte support does work (install man-db and do: man -l /usr/share/man/ja/man1/manpath.1.gz ), but that doesn't help me much in my English locale. Yes. Basically, unless you push restructuring of man in Debian, you are out of lack, I think. Please think about documenting in README.Debian, README.UTF-8, HTML or somthing other than ... For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any configuration. Erm, for HTML, it'd be better to use entities, such as #x65E5;#x672C; Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 man pages
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any configuration. ...except a text-mode one? My text-mode configuration displays Japanese text if it's encoded in UTF-8. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 man pages
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any configuration. ...except a text-mode one? My text-mode configuration displays Japanese text if it's encoded in UTF-8. Bleh, never mind. I misread the original message. Sorry about that, everyone. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 man pages
David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to package a simple tool that wants a Japanese string in its man page. It would appear that currently, man pages use fixed encodings that vary depending on which locale's man page is being looked up; English uses ISO-8859-1, so it's not possible to use kanji in one. Various people on -mentors suggested that this was wrong as there was a plan in place to convert to using UTF-8 throughout, and that I should bring this up here; I can't find any references to such a plan on the 'net --- is there one? What's its status? And what should I do to get my man page working? Unless things have changed recently, groff is still fixed to using 8-bit encodings. Until it can actually process UTF-8 input, using UTF-8 encoding would (IMO) create more problems than it solves. I would personally like to see this happen, but until it does we are limited (I believe) to the glyphs described in groff_char(7). I am not aware of any Japanese support at all except in specially-patched versions. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. pgpamaZT06IUj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: UTF-8 man pages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roger Leigh wrote: [...] I would personally like to see this happen, but until it does we are limited (I believe) to the glyphs described in groff_char(7). I am not aware of any Japanese support at all except in specially-patched versions. I do know that Debian uses EUC-JP encoded man pages if you're in the Japanese locale, so multibyte support does work (install man-db and do: man -l /usr/share/man/ja/man1/manpath.1.gz ), but that doesn't help me much in my English locale. - -- ┌── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─── http://www.cowlark.com ─── │ │ There does not now, nor will there ever, exist a programming language in │ which it is the least bit hard to write bad programs. --- Flon's Axiom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGve2df9E0noFvlzgRAgZkAKCX5G1VEBhExnOaCnK3rY/6ugdUtwCgoSl1 OuDvvxdikIQYB73G2dD+hXc= =+Ht0 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: UTF-8 man pages
Hi, On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 06:10:53PM +0100, David Given wrote: Roger Leigh wrote: [...] I would personally like to see this happen, but until it does we are limited (I believe) to the glyphs described in groff_char(7). I am not aware of any Japanese support at all except in specially-patched versions. I do know that Debian uses EUC-JP encoded man pages if you're in the Japanese locale, so multibyte support does work (install man-db and do: man -l /usr/share/man/ja/man1/manpath.1.gz ), but that doesn't help me much in my English locale. Yes. Basically, unless you push restructuring of man in Debian, you are out of lack, I think. Please think about documenting in README.Debian, README.UTF-8, HTML or somthing other than ... For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any configuration. -- ┌── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─── http://www.cowlark.com ─── │ │ There does not now, nor will there ever, exist a programming language in │ which it is the least bit hard to write bad programs. --- Flon's Axiom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UTF-8 man pages
On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 09:09:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: For HTML if Japanese text is short, embeding gif/png file is better than using UTF-8 characters. Then you can read it from any configuration. ...except a text-mode one? /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UTF-8 man pages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm trying to package a simple tool that wants a Japanese string in its man page. It would appear that currently, man pages use fixed encodings that vary depending on which locale's man page is being looked up; English uses ISO-8859-1, so it's not possible to use kanji in one. Various people on -mentors suggested that this was wrong as there was a plan in place to convert to using UTF-8 throughout, and that I should bring this up here; I can't find any references to such a plan on the 'net --- is there one? What's its status? And what should I do to get my man page working? - -- ┌── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─── http://www.cowlark.com ─── │ │ There does not now, nor will there ever, exist a programming language in │ which it is the least bit hard to write bad programs. --- Flon's Axiom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGvMl/f9E0noFvlzgRAioVAJwMML+AIgAHL/rqeAM2NTuwAt4w0ACgvMHi kRU0y2BztTvV0BXQNmi80+8= =0pqp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
