Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-04-15 Thread Peter Pentchev 
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:48:29PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 04:17:01PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > I once considered packaging sed from v7 UNIX, which has all the
> > coreutils bundled in one source repo, and so literally considered
> > src:unix, although in both cases it was largely a joke and I didn't
> > pursue it.
>  
> *g*, nice!
> 
> I'd also be happy if this were src:unix (or maybe not) as long as there
> would be a src:proper-unix-system meta-package for those who care...

That would indeed be great, and thanks, jmtd, for your work! (even if
you ultimately decide not to complete it, it's still cool)

...and then there comes the "...but does Caldera really have the right
to those sources?" question, which may or may not have been already
settled in the US courts (there are people who say "the decision that
one specific action did not mean that SCO owns the copyright still
does not necessarily mean that there are no other reasons for
SCO-name-of-the-month to own the copyright")...

Sorry... some people do say that I sometimes worry too much and throw
wet blankets on others' enthusiasm... :/

G'luck,
Peter

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Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-04-14 Thread Holger Levsen 
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 04:17:01PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> I once considered packaging sed from v7 UNIX, which has all the
> coreutils bundled in one source repo, and so literally considered
> src:unix, although in both cases it was largely a joke and I didn't
> pursue it.
 
*g*, nice!

I'd also be happy if this were src:unix (or maybe not) as long as there
would be a src:proper-unix-system meta-package for those who care...


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Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-04-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland 
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 12:21:36PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> As it's 2021 and 99% of the Linux user base has no idea what UNIX (or Linux)
> is, maybe it's time for a src:proper-unix-system package for those who care?

I once considered packaging sed from v7 UNIX, which has all the
coreutils bundled in one source repo, and so literally considered
src:unix, although in both cases it was largely a joke and I didn't
pursue it.

Oh, that's still lying around somewhere:
 although not with
src:unix. (And the credit getting sed to *build* as well as the initial
packaging, goes to David Jones)



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Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf 
Jonathan Carter dijo [Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 07:29:14PM +0200]:
> >> Define "proper Unix"...
> > 
> > The definition depends on whether you are a longhair or shorthair.
> 
> If you're a proper blue-haired person, then the only proper Unix is Debian.

Please do note that your definition might be of sufficiency, but is
–to use our common parlance– a Suggests: or, at most, a
Recommends:. It has been observed there are many example cases where
hair style is orthogonal to Unix preferences.

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Jonathan Carter 
On 2021/02/10 15:16, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Adam Borowski  writes:
>>> As it's 2021 and 99% of the Linux user base has no idea what UNIX (or Linux)
>>> is, maybe it's time for a src:proper-unix-system package for those who care?
>>
>> Define "proper Unix"...
> 
> The definition depends on whether you are a longhair or shorthair.

If you're a proper blue-haired person, then the only proper Unix is Debian.

-Jonathan

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Holger Levsen 
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 01:38:56PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > As it's 2021 and 99% of the Linux user base has no idea what UNIX (or Linux)
> > is, maybe it's time for a src:proper-unix-system package for those who care?
> Define "proper Unix"...

well, I'd leave this to the people who care.

But surely there could be several flavors, maybe even coming from different
source packages.


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Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Ansgar 
On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 13:38 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Define "proper Unix"...

A system including Emacs.  So we would need emacs at Priority: standard
or even important or required :]

Ansgar

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Bjørn Mork 
Adam Borowski  writes:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 12:21:36PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 01:05:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> > I happen to disagree.  To me this is yet another step away from being a
>> > proper Unix system - to something else.  Which would be fine if it moved
>> > us forward.
>> 
>> As it's 2021 and 99% of the Linux user base has no idea what UNIX (or Linux)
>> is, maybe it's time for a src:proper-unix-system package for those who care?
>
> Define "proper Unix"...

The definition depends on whether you are a longhair or shorthair.


Bjørn

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Adam Borowski 
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 12:21:36PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 01:05:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> > I happen to disagree.  To me this is yet another step away from being a
> > proper Unix system - to something else.  Which would be fine if it moved
> > us forward.
> 
> As it's 2021 and 99% of the Linux user base has no idea what UNIX (or Linux)
> is, maybe it's time for a src:proper-unix-system package for those who care?

Define "proper Unix"...


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a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Holger Levsen 
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 01:05:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> I happen to disagree.  To me this is yet another step away from being a
> proper Unix system - to something else.  Which would be fine if it moved
> us forward.

As it's 2021 and 99% of the Linux user base has no idea what UNIX (or Linux)
is, maybe it's time for a src:proper-unix-system package for those who care?


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