Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:07:13AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:03:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: why do you even care? It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. The Debian mentors site runs a version of apache as packaged by Ubuntu. That doesn't mean it doesn't run Debian. Even if it did mean that, there's nothing wrong with that; it's been done before --- OpenBSD runs its main website on Solaris (IIRC; at least it's _not_ running on OpenBSD). Granted, OpenBSD people are mostly braindead, but still. -- The amount of time between slipping on the peel and landing on the pavement is precisely one bananosecond -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 01:09:05PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Hello Martin, * Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 12:37]: Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than SuSE or Micro$$$ IIS :-), but still a bit embarrasing... I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? please explain. regards nico This one's obvious. mentors.debian.net is a site relating to people who are _not_ Debian Developers, but may strongly resemble such. And so it runs Ubuntu, which is _not_ Debian, but may strongly resemble such. (With shouts to the boys and girls on #debian) -- --- Paul TBBle Hampson, MCSE 8th year CompSci/Asian Studies student, ANU The Boss, Bubblesworth Pty Ltd (ABN: 51 095 284 361) [EMAIL PROTECTED] No survivors? Then where do the stories come from I wonder? -- Capt. Jack Sparrow, Pirates of the Caribbean License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.1/au/ --- pgpsT2gwOybGv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hello. David Nusinow: On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:30:14AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: [The small amount of stuff that _is_ different seems to mostly be high-profile end-user GUI apps that aren't going to have much significance for a server anyway.] Then why not run Debian? My wild guess, based on http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://mentors.debian.net - because back in September 2004 Apache 2.0.50 and PHP 4.3.8 was in the supported and stable Ubuntu Warty, while not being in the supported and stable Debian woody. Cheers, -- Shot -- The above comment may be extremely inflamatory. For your protection, it has been rot13'd twice. -- JWhitlock, /. == http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === http://shot.pl/1/125/ === signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi, * Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-20 08:54]: On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:21:09PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? Why is this question on debian-devel, instead of in the inbox of the m.d.n maintainers? You are right, wrong place, sorry. Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi, Nico... I'm not reading debian-devel for two days and now this. ;) On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:21:09PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? mentors.debian.net is work in progress. As we are working on an improvement of the import process (that analyses the uploaded packages and moves them into the repository pool structure) and web interface we needed software versions (e.g. Postgresql) that were not available in Woody at that time. Unfortunatly Sarge was not a choice for us either since our machine is under permanent attack and has already once been hacked due to an unfixed bug in a forum software. So we needed something more stable. Since Ubuntu had released a stable version thus supplying us with security updates we chose to use that until Sarge is released. Now that Sarge is stable it's on my to do list to reinstall the server on Sarge. mentors.debian.net is not sponsored by Ubuntu nor am I on on the payroll of Mark Shuttleworth. ;) I had donated the server which is currently running at my place (until we find a new decent ISP in my area to run it at). I hope this clears the confusion up a bit. Good to hear that people still care about it though. :) Cheers Christoph -- ~ ~ ~ .signature [Modified] 3 lines --100%--3,41 All -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi, * Christoph Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-20 12:28]: I'm not reading debian-devel for two days and now this. ;) :) On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:21:09PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? mentors.debian.net is work in progress. As we are working on an improvement of the import process (that analyses the uploaded packages and moves them into the repository pool structure) and web interface we needed software versions (e.g. Postgresql) that were not available in Woody at that time. Unfortunatly Sarge was not a choice for us either since our machine is under permanent attack and has already once been hacked due to an unfixed bug in a forum software. So we needed something more stable. Since Ubuntu had released a stable version thus supplying us with security updates we chose to use that until Sarge is released. [...] Ok thanks for the information. For all the people who said: oh a typicall nico golde flame question. I wrote it in my mails, it wasn't my intention to rant ubuntu and it wasn't my intention to start a flame on this list. So it is not my fault if people start doing so. Everybody has the possibility to ignore the mail. For the fact that it was the wrong list I appologized in my last mail. So please keep on fighting for peace :) Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 01:01:09PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: The intention, as I understand it, isn't to be a general-purpose package repository (at least, last time I looked at it, no pre-built binary packages were provided), but to be a staging area of sorts for packages which people wanted sponsored into the archive. That's correct. And we are trying to massively improve the user interface. Our goal is to provide a platform which allows better interaction between sponsors and sponsorees. As most people know it's hard to keep a package sponsored for a long time since many sponsors lose interest in sponsorship. So in the hopefully-not-so-far-future we will have a portal that shows which packages need sponsorship and also notice the current sponsors if the sponsorees have a new package ready. The value of the packages therein is a subjective matter, and one which I, for one, am not touching with my 10 foot pole (Barge, mk1, mod0). Many of the packages are definitely not advised to be used by end-users or even in production environments. Most packages that are displayed on http://mentors.debian.net are just needing a sponsor to take a look at. What is sometimes confused is that mentors.debian.net is not yet another inofficial binary package repository like Christian Marillat's server. In the past we even kept the binary packages (.deb). But since many people seemed to have put our server in the sources.list we not only had lots of traffic but also complaints that the packages were of bad quality. Since then we only provide source packages so that there is at least the dpkg-buildpackage barrier that keeps people from blindly using them. I guess I have to review the introductory texts on the main page soon. That will probably not stop the flaming though... Cheers Christoph -- ~ ~ ~ .signature [Modified] 3 lines --100%--3,41 All -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:44:43PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: Then why not run Debian? That's a question for the admins. Is the server only hosting this debian.net service and nothing else? Maybe it is primarily running something else and offered to host this debian.net service on top. As another poster has mentioned, there may have been very valid reasons for choosing Ubuntu above Debian for the primary purpose of the machine. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ PGP fingerprint: 7032F238 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:48:51PM +0200, Julien BLACHE wrote: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Great news! Where's my paycheck? (both of the above arguments have already been raised long ago, yes.) A minority of Ubuntu developers are paid to do specific Ubuntu development (as are, of course, some difficult-to-establish number of Debian developers), but the majority are volunteers. The proportion is most likely higher in Ubuntu due to its launch, but has been steadily falling ever since. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi! Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than SuSE or Micro$$$ IIS :-), but still a bit embarrasing... Martin -- Martin Pitthttp://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com Debian Developer http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Martin Pitt] This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than SuSE or Micro$$$ IIS :-), but still a bit embarrasing... Why is it embarrasing? Are Ubuntu sponsoring the machine, the hosting site, providing the OS, or what? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
* Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 12:23]: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? don't understand me wrong, this is no rant against ubuntu, i just wondered... regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On 19/07/05, Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than SuSE or Micro$$$ IIS :-), but still a bit embarrasing... I think the Microsoft website relaying through a Linux-based server is better. And it doesn't beat my personal favourite. New Zealand Qualifications Authority using Apache 2 with mod-ssl etc... on a Windows 2000 Server. Martin -- Martin Pitthttp://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com Debian Developer http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- N Jones Blogging @ http://nigelj.blogspot.com Proud Debian FOSS User Debian Maintainer of: html2ps ipkungfu
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hello Martin, * Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 12:37]: Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than SuSE or Micro$$$ IIS :-), but still a bit embarrasing... I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? please explain. regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Why is it embarrasing? Are Ubuntu sponsoring the machine, the hosting site, providing the OS, or what? At least the OS seems to be Ubuntu: $ telnet mentors.debian.net 80 Trying 212.12.58.146... Connected to mentors.workaround.org. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.1 HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:09:32 GMT Server: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4 Content-Length: 226 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 ... Willi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
also sprach Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. www.debian.org runs on apache. what does apache have to do with debian? why do you even care? -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! self-denial is the shining sore on the leprous body of christianity. -- oscar wilde signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi, * martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 14:07]: also sprach Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. mhm yes in some way :) www.debian.org runs on apache. what does apache have to do with debian? why do you even care? oh please, i just wondered this wasn't intended as a rant against ubuntu. regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi Nico! Nico Golde [2005-07-19 13:09 +0200]: Hello Martin, * Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 12:37]: Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than SuSE or Micro$$$ IIS :-), but still a bit embarrasing... I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? As I tried to make clear in my initial reply, I don't have the slightest clue. It's not any official part of the Ubuntu world domination plan. :-) Maybe the admins just found Ubuntu easier to install, although it should not really make a big difference on a server, compared to a Debian installation. Martin -- Martin Pitthttp://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer http://www.ubuntu.com Debian Developer http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
martin f krafft writes: a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Only in the rather strained sense that she is also a Libranet, Mepis, and Linspire maintainer. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
* martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Erm, no. Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:42:13PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: * Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 12:23]: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? don't understand me wrong, this is no rant against ubuntu, i just wondered... Cos it's trendy and Debian isn't. Unrelated question: why was mentors.debian.net delegated (historically) to non-DDs? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:03:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. www.debian.org runs on apache. what does apache have to do with debian? This is a crap argument and you know it. www.debian.org runs a version of apache cared for and distributed by Debian itself. We have a vested interest in the software used to run our systems, and to not run that on our own site shows a lack of confidence and pride in our own work. why do you even care? It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Great news! Where's my paycheck? (both of the above arguments have already been raised long ago, yes.) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public key available on http://www.jblache.org - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD62 7CC7 CD61 4FD7 F5D6 5169 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
also sprach David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1507 +0200]: why do you even care? It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. Go ahead and provide hosting for it on a Debian machine, set it up, then apply for the domain to be moved. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! i always choose my friends for their good looks and my enemies for their good intellects. man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies. -- oscar wilde signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
also sprach Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1448 +0200]: a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Great news! Where's my paycheck? You don't get paid for being an Ubuntu developer. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! violence is the last refuge of the incompetent -- isaac asimov signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
Hi, * Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 15:15]: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Great news! Where's my paycheck? (both of the above arguments have already been raised long ago, yes.) don't flame about it :) i mean you are in the maintainers field so in some sense you are :) regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 23:06 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Unrelated question: why was mentors.debian.net delegated (historically) to non-DDs? Because a DD delegated it to them. Kind regards, Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:14:32PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1507 +0200]: It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. Go ahead and provide hosting for it on a Debian machine, set it up, then apply for the domain to be moved. Asking me to do this doesn't make the situation any less pathetic. It's also not worth the effort, seeing as very few packages of note are actually distributed from it as far as I've seen. - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:07:13AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. It depends on the reasoning behind the OS choice. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ PGP fingerprint: 7032F238 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 09:07 -0400, David Nusinow wrote: It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. Well, at least it's Debian-derived? Just one leaf lower in the tree. I don't see or have any problem with mentors.debian.net running Ubuntu, but I still don't get why the button is displayed on the front page. Kind regards, Philipp Kern -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 12:21 +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? http://mentors.debian.net/ About this repository Welcome to the debian-mentors public software repository. ... Please note that this service is not run as a part of the official debian.org web site.* ... If you have questions which you do not find answered on these web pages please write an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben * And if it were, you'd ask debian-project, not debian-devel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 11:06:28PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:42:13PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: * Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 12:23]: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? don't understand me wrong, this is no rant against ubuntu, i just wondered... Cos it's trendy and Debian isn't. Unrelated question: why was mentors.debian.net delegated (historically) to non-DDs? Who cares (about either point)? Nothing under debian.net is an official project resource; I don't remember if there are guidelines governing use of the debian.net DNS service, but if there are, they aren't particularly strict. Any negative associations you may have as a result of this site reflect only on mentors.debian.net, not on the Debian project. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: debian mentors ubuntu
On 7/19/05, Ben Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 12:21 +0200, Nico Golde wrote: Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? http://mentors.debian.net/ About this repository Welcome to the debian-mentors public software repository. ... Please note that this service is not run as a part of the official debian.org web site.* ... If you have questions which you do not find answered on these web pages please write an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben * And if it were, you'd ask debian-project, not debian-devel. And if so, hopefully they would answer that it reflects a judgment within the discretion of its principal sysadmin(s), and that success for a Debian derivative is not failure for Debian. And hopefully they would be able to point to other services that run on other Debian derivatives, or at least a plan to deploy such. And hopefully this would reflect a generally more positive attitude among DDs towards the leveraging of Debian's mechanisms and code in good faith by profit-seeking entities than one would gather from reading d-d. Call me an unreasoning optimist (or vilify me as a traitor to communitarian ideals), but I think it is not out of the question for the Debian project and community to evolve in that direction. Might contribute to more nuanced views of legal issues, too. Cheers, - Michael (IANADD)
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. Unbuntu is 99% Debian (it would be quite reasonable to describe an ubuntu system as running debian), so what's the big deal? [The small amount of stuff that _is_ different seems to mostly be high-profile end-user GUI apps that aren't going to have much significance for a server anyway.] -Miles -- If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. [George Carlin] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:30:14AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. Unbuntu is 99% Debian (it would be quite reasonable to describe an ubuntu system as running debian), so what's the big deal? [The small amount of stuff that _is_ different seems to mostly be high-profile end-user GUI apps that aren't going to have much significance for a server anyway.] Then why not run Debian? - David Nusinow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unbuntu is 99% Debian (it would be quite reasonable to describe an ubuntu system as running debian), so what's the big deal? [The small amount of stuff that _is_ different seems to mostly be high-profile end-user GUI apps that aren't going to have much significance for a server anyway.] Then why not run Debian? I've no idea; maybe the ubuntu CDs were handy. In all likelihood it's some completely random reason. -Miles -- Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there is something wrong with him. -- Art Buchwald -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:21:09PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? Why is this question on debian-devel, instead of in the inbox of the m.d.n maintainers? - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 11:06:28PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Unrelated question: why was mentors.debian.net delegated (historically) to non-DDs? Because those were the people that decided they wanted the service, and dedicated the time to getting it (and keeping it) operational? - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian mentors ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:34:28AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:14:32PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.19.1507 +0200]: It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating system that's the reason for its existence. Go ahead and provide hosting for it on a Debian machine, set it up, then apply for the domain to be moved. Asking me to do this doesn't make the situation any less pathetic. It's also not worth the effort, seeing as very few packages of note are actually distributed from it as far as I've seen. The intention, as I understand it, isn't to be a general-purpose package repository (at least, last time I looked at it, no pre-built binary packages were provided), but to be a staging area of sorts for packages which people wanted sponsored into the archive. The value of the packages therein is a subjective matter, and one which I, for one, am not touching with my 10 foot pole (Barge, mk1, mod0). - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
