Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
[Miernik] gs-common package depends on gsfonts package, what if I don't want to use these Type 1 fonts at all, and would purge the gsfonts package. Would GS work with TTF fonts which are on my system instead? gs is a PostScript interpreter. The PostScript language spec requires a specific set of 14 fonts to be present. (Whether they are Type 1 or Type 2 or Type 42 doesn't really matter.) If a document wants to use other fonts, it normally has to embed them, but any PostScript document can freely assume that the standard fonts will be present. So tell us. Is gs able to determine from among your TrueType fonts which ones might have faces and metrics similar enough to the standard PostScript ones to be substituted? Can it do this on any system with any mix of TrueType fonts? Are you sure? Peter signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
[Peter Samuelson] So tell us. Is gs able to determine from among your TrueType fonts which ones might have faces and metrics similar enough to the standard PostScript ones to be substituted? Can it do this on any system with any mix of TrueType fonts? Are you sure? Also, try running 'apt-cache rdepends gs' some time. Consider how many of the packages which depend on gs also depend on its ability to display the standard 14 PostScript fonts. Probably most of them, frankly. If you want to weaken the gs - gsfonts dependency to a Recommends, you will have to add a lot of other dependencies on gsfonts. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:17:47AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Miernik] gs-common package depends on gsfonts package, what if I don't want to use these Type 1 fonts at all, and would purge the gsfonts package. Would GS work with TTF fonts which are on my system instead? gs is a PostScript interpreter. The PostScript language spec requires a specific set of 14 fonts to be present. Can you list these 14 fonts, which of these 35 fonts are the 14 required? szrenica:~$ fc-list | sort | grep -v DejaVu Century Schoolbook L:style=Bold Century Schoolbook L:style=Bold Italic Century Schoolbook L:style=Italic Century Schoolbook L:style=Roman Dingbats:style=Regular Nimbus Mono L:style=Bold Nimbus Mono L:style=Bold Oblique Nimbus Mono L:style=Regular Nimbus Mono L:style=Regular Oblique Nimbus Roman No9 L:style=Medium Nimbus Roman No9 L:style=Medium Italic Nimbus Roman No9 L:style=Regular Nimbus Roman No9 L:style=Regular Italic Nimbus Sans L:style=Bold Nimbus Sans L:style=Bold Condensed Nimbus Sans L:style=Bold Condensed Italic Nimbus Sans L:style=Bold Italic Nimbus Sans L:style=Regular Nimbus Sans L:style=Regular Condensed Nimbus Sans L:style=Regular Condensed Italic Nimbus Sans L:style=Regular Italic Standard Symbols L:style=Regular URW Bookman L:style=Demi Bold URW Bookman L:style=Demi Bold Italic URW Bookman L:style=Light URW Bookman L:style=Light Italic URW Chancery L:style=Medium Italic URW Gothic L:style=Book URW Gothic L:style=Book Oblique URW Gothic L:style=Demi URW Gothic L:style=Demi Oblique URW Palladio L:style=Bold URW Palladio L:style=Bold Italic URW Palladio L:style=Italic URW Palladio L:style=Roman szrenica:~$ (Whether they are Type 1 or Type 2 or Type 42 doesn't really matter.) If a document wants to use other fonts, it normally has to embed them, but any PostScript document can freely assume that the standard fonts will be present. So tell us. Is gs able to determine from among your TrueType fonts which ones might have faces and metrics similar enough to the standard PostScript ones to be substituted? Can it do this on any system with any mix of TrueType fonts? Are you sure? szrenica:~$ fc-list | sort | grep Deja DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Bold DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=BoldOblique DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Condensed DejaVu Sans Condensed:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Bold DejaVu Sans Mono:style=BoldOb DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Oblique DejaVu Sans Mono:style=Roman DejaVu Sans:style=Bold DejaVu Sans:style=BoldOblique DejaVu Sans:style=Book DejaVu Sans:style=Oblique DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Bold DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=BoldOblique DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Oblique DejaVu Serif:style=Bold DejaVu Serif:style=BoldOblique DejaVu Serif:style=Oblique DejaVu Serif:style=Roman szrenica:~$ I am not proposing to drop the gsfonts dependency completely, but I would like to be changed to gsfonts | ttf-dejavu if possible. If some other fonts would meet the criteria of the 14-font Postscript standard, these could be added as alternatives too. -- Miernik _ xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/___/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Protect Europe from a legal disaster. Petition against software patents http://www.noepatents.org/index_html?LANG=en pgpEYUXoag3Kw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
[Miernik] Can you list these 14 fonts, which of these 35 fonts are the 14 required? Well, it's been awhile, but as I recall... Times Roman - regular, italic, bold, bold italic Helvetica - regular, oblique, bold, bold oblique Courier - regular, oblique, bold, bold oblique ...and two more, must've been symbol sets. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 06:14:17AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: These can be matched with the 12 DejaVu TTF fonts: Times Roman - regular, italic, bold, bold italic DejaVu Serif :style= Roman, Oblique, Bold, BoldOblique Helvetica - regular, oblique, bold, bold oblique DejaVu Sans :style= Book, Oblique, Bold, BoldOblique Courier - regular, oblique, bold, bold oblique DejaVu Sans Mono :style= Roman, Oblique, Bold, BoldOb ...and two more, must've been symbol sets. Than these can just be matched to DejaVu Sans for example, as now with Unicode, symbols can be in any font. Do you see any more problems with changing Depends: gsfonts to Depends: gsfonts | ttf-dejavu ? -- Miernik _ xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/___/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why software shouldn't be covered by patents http://bladeenc.mp3.no/articles/software_patents.html pgpwDpefurUXU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
25.07.2005 pisze Miernik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): These can be matched with the 12 DejaVu TTF fonts: No, they cannot be matched. DejaVu fonts do not provide exactly the same metrics as the standard PS fonts. Anyways, what's your problem with these standard Type1 fonts? Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101010 is ] [ BOF2510053411, makabra.knm.org.pl/~baran/, alchemy pany ] [ The Answer ] Ninety percent of everything is bullshit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you list these 14 fonts, which of these 35 fonts are the 14 required? Well, it's been awhile, but as I recall... Times Roman - regular, italic, bold, bold italic Helvetica - regular, oblique, bold, bold oblique Courier - regular, oblique, bold, bold oblique Symbol (no variants) I expect some documents will try to use the other standard PS fonts though, especially Palatino and ZapfDingbats (the others being Bookman, AvanteGarde, NewCenturySchoolbook, ZapfChancery). -Miles -- Next to fried food, the South has suffered most from oratory. -- Walter Hines Page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
[Miernik] Do you see any more problems with changing Depends: gsfonts to Depends: gsfonts | ttf-dejavu So here's what you do if you want to make this happen: gs uses /usr/share/gs-gpl/8.01/lib/Fontmap (or, rather, Fontmap.GS) to map PostScript font names, including the standard 14, to filenames. This file is provided by gs-gpl, not by gsfonts, which is a bit perverse but I'm sure there's a reason. You'd have to arrange to replace or augment this file somehow when the ttf-dejavu package is installed and the user indicates his desire to use that instead. Then you can do some testing to make sure gs doesn't have some hardcoded knowledge about font encodings (particularly for the Symbol font, and Dingbats or whatever the other required one is) anywhere. Peter signature.asc Description: Digital signature
does gs needs to depend on gsfonts, or could it use ttf fonts maybe?
gs-common package depends on gsfonts package, what if I don't want to use these Type 1 fonts at all, and would purge the gsfonts package. Would GS work with TTF fonts which are on my system instead? If that would work, than maybe the 'Depends: gsfonts' dependency of gs-common could be changed to Recommends ? -- Miernik _ xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/___/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why software shouldn't be covered by patents http://bladeenc.mp3.no/articles/software_patents.html pgpGPsRBUUNGf.pgp Description: PGP signature
