Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: On Sep 23, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the source is available in the package this is not a bug at all. - even if the build infrastructure is missing how to build the manpages, it's no bug? If they can be manually built only using software in Debian then it's not a bug. I'd say it's still a wishlist bug. Something to remember, for example, in case you're talking to upstream about documentation issues. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
Marco d'Itri writes: On Sep 21, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - the man pages (all except gfortran.1) are not built from source. - RC As long as the source is available in the package this is not a bug at all. great news! two more questions: - even if the build infrastructure is missing how to build the manpages, it's no bug? - from your arguments it's generally ok to ship prebuilt documentation? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
On Sep 23, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as the source is available in the package this is not a bug at all. - even if the build infrastructure is missing how to build the manpages, it's no bug? If they can be manually built only using software in Debian then it's not a bug. - from your arguments it's generally ok to ship prebuilt documentation? Yes, many packages do this. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
Nikita V. Youshchenko writes: Nikita V. Youshchenko writes: Hello. I've updated gcc-4.1 documentation packages (Section: non-free/doc). Packages are no longer debian-native, also several issues have been fixed. Also, I've created gcc-doc-defaults package (Section: contrib/doc) that builds gcc-doc, cpp-doc, gfortran-doc and treelang-doc packages with proper dependences and symlinks. Maintainer of all those packages is set to debian-gcc@lists.debian.org As for over version of gcc - packages for those that are currently in sid still contain gfdl documentation. So creation of proper non-free packages has to be postponed until this documentation is not removed from there. Currently packages are at http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/gcc-doc/ I'm going to upload there (to non-free and contrib) in a day or two. Comments welcome. some problems: - the man pages (all except gfortran.1) are not built from source. - RC Most manpages are available as is in upstream tarball - so I decided to use those unmodified. Fortran manpage was not there - so I had to build it. If that's a problem, all may be made built from texi source, that should be simple. AFAIK yes; docs have to be built from source. And you maybe want to have the debian changes in the manpages as well. - the gfdl is not included in the man pages, nor the gfdl(7) man pages are shipped, violating the GFDL (dropping invariant sections). - RC What is the best approach to handle this? Include full gfdl text in debian/copyright? Depend on a package that will provide gfdl.7 (or maybe /usr/share/common-licenses/GFDL)? include fsf-funding.7, gfdl.7, gpl.7 in the gcc-doc-defaults package. - the java man pages are not built - the libstdc++ docs are not built I've checked which files are in package set build from gcc-4.1 4.1.1-10, but are not in files built from gcc-4.1 4.1.1ds1-13 source. Probably java stuff is built from different source - so additional source package is needed for it's docs? no, they are included in the same source, just built separately by demand of the release team. they should be built from a gcc-doc package as well. same thing with gnat docs. the gcc/doc/include directory seems to be missing as well. As for libstdc++, looks like you do still provide all docs in libstdc++6-doc 4.1.1ds1-13 package? there's at least one GFDL'd document missing. - the man pages are not up to date. you have to apply the patches from our sources. This could be done I guess. please do. wrong documentation is worse than no documentation. So I did the minimal packaging, and will try to fix at least the required minimum of issues so etch will include those (in non-free and contrib sections). Btw, thanks for reports. If anybody else wishes to create or maintain or co-maintain gcc docs packages, using mine or your or any other approach, I have nothing against. Just the opposite. I have bad and hopeless problems with free time. All free software - related plans and ideas, even simple ones, are frozen already for months. I'm doing gcc-doc packages only because I don't see anybody else working on this problem, which I consider critical. your help is welcome, but what is it good for having non-free documentation for free software? Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
Nikita V. Youshchenko writes: Hello. I've updated gcc-4.1 documentation packages (Section: non-free/doc). Packages are no longer debian-native, also several issues have been fixed. Also, I've created gcc-doc-defaults package (Section: contrib/doc) that builds gcc-doc, cpp-doc, gfortran-doc and treelang-doc packages with proper dependences and symlinks. Maintainer of all those packages is set to debian-gcc@lists.debian.org As for over version of gcc - packages for those that are currently in sid still contain gfdl documentation. So creation of proper non-free packages has to be postponed until this documentation is not removed from there. Currently packages are at http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/gcc-doc/ I'm going to upload there (to non-free and contrib) in a day or two. Comments welcome. some problems: - the man pages (all except gfortran.1) are not built from source. - RC - the gfdl is not included in the man pages, nor the gfdl(7) man pages are shipped, violating the GFDL (dropping invariant sections). - RC - the java man pages are not built - the libstdc++ docs are not built - the man pages are not up to date. you have to apply the patches from our sources. for an alternative approach (somebody did volunteer to do that, but I never heard again from this developer): - put the doc files from http://people.debian.org/~doko/gcc-4.1/gcc-4.1.1-doc.tar.bz2 in a source tarball. - build-depend on gcc-4.1-source (including the -doc patches), build the package (bootstrap_target=all), then just package the documentation. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
Le jeudi 21 septembre 2006 à 14:32 +0200, Matthias Klose a écrit : - build-depend on gcc-4.1-source (including the -doc patches), build the package (bootstrap_target=all), then just package the documentation. If the source packages still contain some GFDL documents, then this is a RC bug. The DFSG don't apply only to binary packages. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'[EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
Nikita V. Youshchenko writes: Hello. I've updated gcc-4.1 documentation packages (Section: non-free/doc). Packages are no longer debian-native, also several issues have been fixed. Also, I've created gcc-doc-defaults package (Section: contrib/doc) that builds gcc-doc, cpp-doc, gfortran-doc and treelang-doc packages with proper dependences and symlinks. Maintainer of all those packages is set to debian-gcc@lists.debian.org As for over version of gcc - packages for those that are currently in sid still contain gfdl documentation. So creation of proper non-free packages has to be postponed until this documentation is not removed from there. Currently packages are at http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/gcc-doc/ I'm going to upload there (to non-free and contrib) in a day or two. Comments welcome. some problems: - the man pages (all except gfortran.1) are not built from source. - RC Most manpages are available as is in upstream tarball - so I decided to use those unmodified. Fortran manpage was not there - so I had to build it. If that's a problem, all may be made built from texi source, that should be simple. - the gfdl is not included in the man pages, nor the gfdl(7) man pages are shipped, violating the GFDL (dropping invariant sections). - RC What is the best approach to handle this? Include full gfdl text in debian/copyright? Depend on a package that will provide gfdl.7 (or maybe /usr/share/common-licenses/GFDL)? - the java man pages are not built - the libstdc++ docs are not built I've checked which files are in package set build from gcc-4.1 4.1.1-10, but are not in files built from gcc-4.1 4.1.1ds1-13 source. Probably java stuff is built from different source - so additional source package is needed for it's docs? As for libstdc++, looks like you do still provide all docs in libstdc++6-doc 4.1.1ds1-13 package? - the man pages are not up to date. you have to apply the patches from our sources. This could be done I guess. for an alternative approach (somebody did volunteer to do that, but I never heard again from this developer): - put the doc files from http://people.debian.org/~doko/gcc-4.1/gcc-4.1.1-doc.tar.bz2 in a source tarball. - build-depend on gcc-4.1-source (including the -doc patches), build the package (bootstrap_target=all), then just package the documentation. I don't know if this approach is better or not. Won't it take much longer to build/test/...? I did the doc package in the form I did it because: - there is currently no gcc docs in debian, which I consider a fatal problem (in my personal rating, it's much more RC than most of official RC bugs) - enough time has passed since gcc docs have been removed, and there is no visible activity to provide it - etch release is near, so etch release without gcc docs starts to look very probable. For me, that will mean that I will have to stop recommend Debian for people with whom I work - and then maybe to switch from Debian myself, because it is too difficult to support non-very-technical perople on distribution other than you use. I don't like this scenario at all. So I did the minimal packaging, and will try to fix at least the required minimum of issues so etch will include those (in non-free and contrib sections). Btw, thanks for reports. If anybody else wishes to create or maintain or co-maintain gcc docs packages, using mine or your or any other approach, I have nothing against. Just the opposite. I have bad and hopeless problems with free time. All free software - related plans and ideas, even simple ones, are frozen already for months. I'm doing gcc-doc packages only because I don't see anybody else working on this problem, which I consider critical. Nikita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
On Sep 21, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - the man pages (all except gfortran.1) are not built from source. - RC As long as the source is available in the package this is not a bug at all. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update
Hello. I've updated gcc-4.1 documentation packages (Section: non-free/doc). Packages are no longer debian-native, also several issues have been fixed. Also, I've created gcc-doc-defaults package (Section: contrib/doc) that builds gcc-doc, cpp-doc, gfortran-doc and treelang-doc packages with proper dependences and symlinks. Maintainer of all those packages is set to debian-gcc@lists.debian.org As for over version of gcc - packages for those that are currently in sid still contain gfdl documentation. So creation of proper non-free packages has to be postponed until this documentation is not removed from there. Currently packages are at http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/~nikita/debian/gcc-doc/ I'm going to upload there (to non-free and contrib) in a day or two. Comments welcome. Nikita pgpkwyXisUMFF.pgp Description: PGP signature
