new-maintainer and delays (was Re: [some idiot troll who should have been ignored])

2000-09-13 Thread James Troup
Christopher C. Chimelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Looks like quite a backlog has been created by NM being shut down
 for so long.

Actually, no, way less than half the current backlog are applicants
from the shut down period.

 But, after picking a few people to look at that are currently
 in-process, some have experienced some unbelievably ridiculous
 delays (see http://nm.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 for a good example  does it really take a month or more to make
 a phone call?).

If that's all I had to do in my life, no, of course it wouldn't.
Unfortunately it's not.  Granted, DAM is becoming a problem, but a)
it's not the main problem (lack of contributing AMs is much more of a
problem), b) DAM appears worse than it actually is because my work on
it is sporadic and c) I am looking into fixing it (by taking on
mini-DAMers) in any event.

However, there is no longer any excuse for just whining about delays
in the new-maintainer process... if you don't like the delays, Chris,
feel to actually make a difference and sign up as an Application
Manager.

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James


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Re: new-maintainer and delays (was Re: [some idiot troll who should have been ignored])

2000-09-13 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis

On 13 Sep 2000, James Troup wrote:

 Actually, no, way less than half the current backlog are applicants
 from the shut down period.

Yeah, after looking at more of the records, I see this.

 If that's all I had to do in my life, no, of course it wouldn't.
 Unfortunately it's not.  Granted, DAM is becoming a problem, but a)
 it's not the main problem (lack of contributing AMs is much more of a
 problem), b) DAM appears worse than it actually is because my work on
 it is sporadic and c) I am looking into fixing it (by taking on
 mini-DAMers) in any event.

Sounds like a good idea.

 However, there is no longer any excuse for just whining about delays
 in the new-maintainer process... if you don't like the delays, Chris,
 feel to actually make a difference and sign up as an Application
 Manager.

Ok, calm down, I'm not blaming anyone here, I'm just looking at it from an
external point of view (external, meaning I have nothing to do with the
process).  I also understand that everyone here is busy and has lives and
jobs, etc, so don't assume that I'm unsympathetic to the stresses of the
real world.  Honestly, I wish I could spare more time to help NM along,
but unfortunately I can't.  Does this mean that I'm not allowed to look at
and, God forbid, possibly comment on the NM process?

I know that we all enjoy our time working on Debian, so let's not forget
that we SHOULD enjoy what we do and not take it so damned seriously all of
the time.  It seems like every time someone tries to offer criticism or
comments on someone else's work and tries to find a way to improve it,
they get a if you don't like it, do it yourself message and a holy war
begins.  I don't want that to happen in this case.  Please, let's all take
a deep breath and look at it from another point of view every once in
awhile.

I really do like the idea of mini-DAMs and also noticed the AM problems
that you mentioned, just by looking at a handful of records on
nm.debian.org.  Looks like you're already addressing any concerns that
I've brought up, so good job :-)

...and in case nobody says it, thanks for all of your work on NM.  It
doesn't go unrecognised :-)

C


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