Re: python-minimal in base?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 01:45:26AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] upstream considered it completely unacceptable for anyone to ship python in such a state that users would end up with less than the full python suite installed on their system. [...] In fairness, Perl upstream had similar problems with Debian distributing their product piece-meal. The principal concern was the exclusion of documentation, which seems to have been assuaged by the addition of a stub for perldoc which instructs users to install the perl-doc package. --bod, noting that the INSTALL doc now includes the contents of Debian's perl-base as an example of a minimal install... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
python-minimal in base?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:43:22AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Also note that much of Debian started out as Perl. I won't compare the two, but it's basically the same. And there is python-minimal and I have heard rumours that it will be in base soon. What? What? What? Can you expand on this rumor (you or someone else)? I was postponing a post on debian-devel asking about having some sort of python in base since I developed a tool for managing vim add-ons in python, but I'm scared about uploading it with a dependency on python (since it should be shipped with vim itself). More generally we have core tools developed in python (e.g. reportbug), and it's a pity not having the minimal needed python support for them in base. I'm thus totally interested in such a rumor :-) -- Stefano Zacchiroli -*- Computer Science PhD student @ Uny Bologna, Italy [EMAIL PROTECTED],debian.org,bononia.it} -%- http://www.bononia.it/zack/ If there's any real truth it's that the entire multidimensional infinity of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs. -!- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: python-minimal in base?
also sprach Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.08.24.0923 +0100]: On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:43:22AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Also note that much of Debian started out as Perl. I won't compare the two, but it's basically the same. And there is python-minimal and I have heard rumours that it will be in base soon. What? What? What? Ah, rumours. So I have to rephrase what I wrote. I've heard talk about python in base, but not that it's been decided. This was around the Python BoF in Mexico. The discussion was postponed post-etch though. Sorry for bringing it up. Can we please postpone it again? -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck http://debiansystem.info `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems no, 'eureka' is greek for 'this bath is too hot.' -- dr. who signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Re: python-minimal in base?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 10:23:46AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:43:22AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Also note that much of Debian started out as Perl. I won't compare the two, but it's basically the same. And there is python-minimal and I have heard rumours that it will be in base soon. What? What? What? Can you expand on this rumor (you or someone else)? I was postponing a post on debian-devel asking about having some sort of python in base since I developed a tool for managing vim add-ons in python, but I'm scared about uploading it with a dependency on python (since it should be shipped with vim itself). More generally we have core tools developed in python (e.g. reportbug), and it's a pity not having the minimal needed python support for them in base. Frankly, I think the fact that Debian has a python-minimal package at *all* is deplorable. When this package first snuck into Debian from Ubuntu, it was stated quite clearly in the following discussion that upstream considered it completely unacceptable for anyone to ship python in such a state that users would end up with less than the full python suite installed on their system. The *only* reason for the split between python and python-minimal in Ubuntu is because python-minimal is Essential: yes, and the only reason this split is *acceptable* to upstream is that python itself is also part of the base system (Priority: important). Given that there has been no decision to include python-minimal in the set of essential packages for Debian, and python hasn't been promoted to the base system for Debian, it's totally premature for this package to even exist in Debian. The only goal this package serves is to make it convenient for the maintainer to maintain the package for both Debian and Ubuntu from a single source; in all other respects, it's bad for Debian. And the python2.4-minimal package even has reverse-dependencies in unstable now. sigh -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
