Weird removal messages sent by britney without enough user friendly details - Was: Re: python 2.7 in wheezy
Hi. Le jeudi 06 octobre 2011 à 21:26 -0400, David Prévot a écrit : Le 06/10/2011 20:43, Peter Samuelson a écrit : [Olivier Berger] For users, which don't read d-d-a and receive such emails (below), it's a bit unclear what's really happening, IMHO :-/ Ummm ... don't we strongly encourage all package maintainers to read d-d-a? If not, we should. It is very low traffic and sometimes important. Sure: “All developers are expected to be subscribed to this list.” [0], but Oliver was referring to “users”. On the other hand, his example mail (To: duplic...@packages.debian.org) is obviously sent to developers, so I'd guess no harm is done for our users. I may be wrong, but (advanced) users can also be notified of such messages when they are subscribed to packages via the PTS. Which is good advice, IMHO, to monitor packages in Debian when your business depends on some volunteer maintainer work: you'd like to know in advance such facts as a package being pulled out of Debian, early enough ;) Maybe I'm the only one doing that though (and particularly important, as duplicity runs my backups) Maybe I could file a wishlist on britney somewhere ? 0: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/resources.html#core-devel-mailing-lists Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER olivier.ber...@it-sudparis.eu http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id: 2048R/5819D7E8 Ingénieur Recherche - Dept INF Institut TELECOM, SudParis (http://www.it-sudparis.eu/), Evry (France) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1317985373.3877.4.ca...@inf-8657.int-evry.fr
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy / removal messages without reason
David Prévot taf...@debian.org wrote on 2011-10-06 21:26: Sure: “All developers are expected to be subscribed to this list.” [0], but Oliver was referring to “users”. On the other hand, his example mail (To: duplic...@packages.debian.org) is obviously sent to developers, so I'd guess no harm is done for our users. It would be very helpful to be subscribed to debian-devel - and I am subscribed. But nevertheless I had to analyse the removing of my package (duply). After a while I saw the reason was duplicity - but why? Until now I don't know the deeper reason - and I haven't found the reason on debian-devel. So I can only wildcatting. --- Have a nice day. Joachim (Germany) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111007172801.1cf03...@jupiter.home
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy / removal messages without reason
Joachim Wiedorn ad_deb...@joonet.de writes: But nevertheless I had to analyse the removing of my package (duply). After a while Why did it take so long? Aptitude shows immediately that ‘duply’ was to be removed because ‘duplicity’ was to be removed; and looking one step further, that ‘duplicity’ was to be removed because the available version has a dependency on “python ( 2.7)”. I saw the reason was duplicity - but why? Until now I don't know the deeper reason - and I haven't found the reason on debian-devel. The tools available on your system can show the reason. Is there another question you have that I'm not getting? -- \ “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are | `\not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer | _o__) to reality.” —Albert Einstein, 1983 | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k48gzgjy@benfinney.id.au
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy / removal messages without reason
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote on 2011-10-08 07:34: Why did it take so long? Aptitude shows immediately that ‘duply’ was to be removed because ‘duplicity’ was to be removed; and looking one step Usually I use Debian Stable as productive system. So aptitude would be not a help. I looked on packages.qa.debian.org and further ... because of the mail duply REMOVED from testing. further, that ‘duplicity’ was to be removed because the available version has a dependency on “python ( 2.7)”. Inside the named site http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/jcristau in the mail I could not found this information (and also not in the mail). The tools available on your system can show the reason. Is there another question you have that I'm not getting? No. --- Have a nice day. Joachim (Germany) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111008002009.436ce...@jupiter.home
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy
Ummm ... don't we strongly encourage all package maintainers to read d-d-a? If not, we should. It is very low traffic and sometimes important. Sure: “All developers are expected to be subscribed to this list.” [0], but Oliver was referring to “users”. On the other hand, his example mail (To: duplic...@packages.debian.org) is obviously sent to developers, so I'd guess no harm is done for our users. Remember the removal mails also end up in the history on packages.qa.debian.org which afaict is the main point of reference for those who are trying to find out what is going on with a package. Not everyone who has an interest in why the package they rely on is suddenly no longer in testing is a dd or a package maintainer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e8f9a4f.80...@p10link.net
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy
Hi. Le jeudi 06 octobre 2011 à 12:40 +0200, Julien Cristau a écrit : Hi, as of the just finished britney run, the /usr/bin/python symlink points to python2.7 in wheezy. In this process, a number of packages had to be removed from testing to avoid more waiting time and complications. They should be able to migrate back quickly on their own, but if you maintain one of those packages and need help, please feel free to contact the release team. Likewise if you discover that your package is incompatible with the new python version and you want to get a fix into testing ASAP. May I suggest that ypu make it clearer from those britney hints what the thing is really about (for instance a comment about Python 2.7 transition in the file, instead of uploaded at the wrong time.). For users, which don't read d-d-a and receive such emails (below), it's a bit unclear what's really happening, IMHO :-/ My 2 cents, Message transféré De: Debian testing watch nore...@release.debian.org À: duplic...@packages.debian.org Sujet: duplicity REMOVED from testing Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:39:12 + FYI: The status of the duplicity source package in Debian's testing distribution has changed. Previous version: 0.6.14-1 Current version: (not in testing) Hint: http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/jcristau # 20111005 # uploaded at the wrong time. The script that generates this mail tries to extract removal reasons from comments in the britney hint files. Those comments were not originally meant to be machine readable, so if the reason for removing your package seems to be nonsense, it is probably the reporting script that got confused. Please check the actual hints file before you complain about meaningless removals. -- This email is automatically generated once a day. As the installation of new packages into testing happens multiple times a day you will receive later changes on the next day. See http://release.debian.org/testing-watch/ for more information. -- Olivier BERGER olivier.ber...@it-sudparis.eu http://www-public.it-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id: 2048R/5819D7E8 Ingénieur Recherche - Dept INF Institut TELECOM, SudParis (http://www.it-sudparis.eu/), Evry (France) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1317934109.7708.3.ca...@inf-8657.int-evry.fr
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy
[Olivier Berger] For users, which don't read d-d-a and receive such emails (below), it's a bit unclear what's really happening, IMHO :-/ Ummm ... don't we strongly encourage all package maintainers to read d-d-a? If not, we should. It is very low traffic and sometimes important. -- Peter Samuelson | org-tld!p12n!peter | http://p12n.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111007004312.ga2...@p12n.org
Re: python 2.7 in wheezy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Le 06/10/2011 20:43, Peter Samuelson a écrit : [Olivier Berger] For users, which don't read d-d-a and receive such emails (below), it's a bit unclear what's really happening, IMHO :-/ Ummm ... don't we strongly encourage all package maintainers to read d-d-a? If not, we should. It is very low traffic and sometimes important. Sure: “All developers are expected to be subscribed to this list.” [0], but Oliver was referring to “users”. On the other hand, his example mail (To: duplic...@packages.debian.org) is obviously sent to developers, so I'd guess no harm is done for our users. 0: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/resources.html#core-devel-mailing-lists Regards David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJOjlUlAAoJELgqIXr9/gny6yYP/08LFPfLgWyGIEPmiy1o7ThH YrWePeq26amsYDHR0jsZIJym0by3OtqLlgI/D2l5GknxIYQOEAMzr1WiiRdHoT+O xA7p+IBoPNG/3ISekiu0dYbYIlwsrCL0K/wb9lt8ojcDXnopJSBO4OeU6bMm/i9p 495wVWG6S011pFTDuvtJtCSocEXZisMn/WAo/EzJVHHI2IWXiLI1Vidwp42Cw44G STW/wuFcGNhItAExYBaY47ZMUhM71szQBHVzePG5pQy1jty28WT9wnRJGEPz6tVA D76i115jbvPpZvELQiKwju4lytusE0O3zFQZRT73Tm5f7rlPInfsl6Q0sfjFhbiP 6cYlZwng9pca6ruJs3cmjplFPtoRFcpR0QtEbQ16rHuEEYv5L8WUslMLvqLEEBT2 3yIMbIP40RBBqyvwqFrcIB7vtIb/rHg4zH134fdnX7dx8k9+UuJbbzoDRYOYYc8M ZR7xjnfBr0weROMyVWjsZ2SOiWOriKVAfNlQ0fv3c8xSJj72E0KQPiVjKl0NPxT/ +ZF3DyIiTM/D9KQkvfrMlIhy0fPs6DtzOSUugIyDpFOQXI3iXlOamL//I380sVVl EPIv+0zgOh+4GONikSqkvMWSsPJv/jYD1/mk+rsSyYemnYN7Oweco5d59L6owECt qusXkCLzQSWn71lCJQDP =633/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j6lkff$f51$1...@dough.gmane.org
