Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 01:06:15PM +, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Omar Alejandro Silva's message of Thu Jun 17 17:42:26 + 2010: Accessing Sugar from desktop terminals or thinstations is important, please don`t forget it while removing packages. education-desktop-sugar is a pure meta package, so removing it shouldn't affect usage of Sugar with thin clients. What is the problem in having pure metapackages? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628072004.gb20...@an3as.eu
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
Excerpts from Andreas Tille's message of Mon Jun 28 09:20:04 +0200 2010: education-desktop-sugar is a pure meta package, so removing it shouldn't affect usage of Sugar with thin clients. What is the problem in having pure metapackages? The problem with this package is that it misleads users into installing it and turning their system into something that works differently (LTSP) from what they expect (a regular desktop). See the original bug description: === Begin === Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). === End === If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
[Sascha Silbe] The problem with this package is that it misleads users into installing it and turning their system into something that works differently (LTSP) from what they expect (a regular desktop). This do not sound right. There is nothing related ot LTSP in the education-desktop-sugar meta package. See the original bug description: === Begin === Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). === End === If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. It isn't LTSP + Sugar. Where did you get that idea? The task is for Sugar on a Debian Edu desktop. The problem is that there are very few sugar packages in Debian (both testing and unstable). If the package lists in education-desktop-sugar is wrong, please provide information on exactly what is wrong. This is the current task content. What is wrong with it? Depends: education-common Why: Need the common packages Responsible: Petter Reinholdtsen NeedConfig: no Depends: xserver-xorg, xinit, xorg Why: The X server and related packages. Responsible: Holger Levsen NeedConfig: no Depends: sugar, sugar-artwork, sugar-calculate-activity, \ sugar-chat-activity, sugar-journal-activity, \ sugar-pippy-activity, sugar-presence-service, \ sugar-sharedstate-classes, sugar-sharingtest-activity, \ sugar-web-activity, matchbox, network-manager Recommends: net-tools, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, xserver-xephyr, \ x11-xserver-utils, openssh-client, ttf-dejavu-extra, \ python-olpc-datastore, python-gst0.10, avahi-daemon Suggests:sugar-doc, etoys, etoys-doc, squeak-vm Avoid: xdm Why: Sugar desktop environment Responsible: Holger Levsen NeedConfig: no Ignore: ejabberd Why: This is the collaboration server used by Sugar. Should probably be included in the main-server instead of the desktop. Responsible: Holger Levsen NeedConfig: ? Happy hacking, -- Petter Reinholdtsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628115901.gf...@diskless.uio.no
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 01:35:56PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. Makes sense - thanks for the clarification Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628125309.ga1...@an3as.eu
Re: how to proceed with edu-squeeze changes
Hi Andi, On Mittwoch, 23. Juni 2010, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: To test the gosa setup we only need the gosa package. There is one in Squeeze, but it does not work at all, see: http://bugs.debian.org/573220 (btw. just saw a new comment there from Jordi ... that's good, 'cause I had already the impression I am the only one needing the package :-)) Ah. I've jsut pinged the maintainer on irc again... If we want to do more than user handling, gosa-plugin-sudo, gosa-plugin-systems and gosa-plugin-dhcp are of interest for now. Are those in squeeze in the needed versions? I suggest to copy the package from sid to our archives as soon as it arrives. Will you do that? I'm happy to help you through the process, just ping me… cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
On 28. juni 2010 13:59, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Sascha Silbe] The problem with this package is that it misleads users into installing it and turning their system into something that works differently (LTSP) from what they expect (a regular desktop). This do not sound right. There is nothing related ot LTSP in the education-desktop-sugar meta package. See the original bug description: === Begin === Please remove education-desktop-sugar from sid/squeeze. It depends on obsolete package names and confuses users. The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). One user even reported it will hose your boot (the system hung part-way through the boot process - unfortunately no more details are available as he was in a hurry and overwrote the installation with Fedora afterwards in order to get a working Sugar installation). === End === If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, changing the description (to point out that it's LTSP + Sugar, not Sugar on a desktop) and updating the dependencies should be enough. But without an active maintainer removing the package is the best option and should be done ASAP. It isn't LTSP + Sugar. Where did you get that idea? The task is for Sugar on a Debian Edu desktop. The problem is that there are very few sugar packages in Debian (both testing and unstable). If the package lists in education-desktop-sugar is wrong, please provide information on exactly what is wrong. I suspect he mixed LTSP and EDU. and that he was supried that he got Debian EDU + Sugar. even tho that is the intention of this package. it may be confusing since the description does not explicitly mentions Debian Edu. Ronny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c28aa0e.6030...@skolelinux.no
Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
tags 586243 + moreinfo clone 586243 -1 severity -1 normal retitle -1 package description is misleading thanks Hi Sascha, a general comment: please file one bug about one issue. If you want to report several issues, please file several bug reports. Thanks. On Montag, 28. Juni 2010, Sascha Silbe wrote: The description suggests this is what to install to get a complete Sugar installation on a desktop, whereas it will actually install the Debian Edu suite (+ Sugar). Thus I have now cloned your bugreport so that we can track improving the description seperatly from the package relationship issue. If someone cares about this package enough to maintain it, Why do you believe this isnt the case? and updating the dependencies should be enough. updating the dependencies to what? According to http://edos.debian.net/edos-debcheck/results/unstable/1277697815/some/list.php all dependencies of education-desktop-sugar are fine. So if you want us to update the dependencies, could you please tell us which you think are incorrect? Thanks already :-) cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: how to proceed with edu-squeeze changes
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 04:20:52PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Mittwoch, 23. Juni 2010, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: To test the gosa setup we only need the gosa package. There is one in Squeeze, but it does not work at all, see: http://bugs.debian.org/573220 [...] If we want to do more than user handling, gosa-plugin-sudo, gosa-plugin-systems and gosa-plugin-dhcp are of interest for now. Are those in squeeze in the needed versions? I just had a look on the gosa packages and their content in squeeze. It looks like the packaging changed, because the plugin-packages miss completely in the debian archives. (Compare with upstream http://oss.gonicus.de/pub/gosa/debian-lenny/ ). I hope that the upload to debian contains also the plugin-packages. Perhaps Benoit can shed some light on the issue. I suggest to copy the package from sid to our archives as soon as it arrives. Will you do that? I'm happy to help you through the process, just ping me… OK, will ping you as soon as they are in sight. BTW, I managed to use the DNS and the DHCP plugin to configure tjener as server within gosa. We can prepare ldap to include this setup out of the box (I have a patch for ldap-bootstrapping (gosa.ldif) ready). This would make it easy for admins to modify their system, for example move services away from tjener to other machines or define subnets or whatever. Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628150249.ga5...@flashgordon
Re: LDAP GUI clients (Petter Reinholdtsen's blog)
Hello Petter (and the list): As requested, I'm forwarding comments here about what GUI clients seem to work for LDAP. I've used gq for some time. It seems to work for browsing as well as updating values, though I haven't tried major tree surgery (moving objects, removing subtrees) with it. This is the classic sort of area that I find a gui useful, if it's sufficently powerful: I do LDAP maintenance seldom enough that I tend to forget the finicky (but powerful) syntax. If I need to do more than update a few values (repoint someone's NFS automount homedir, for ex.) I refresh the neurons needed to write the ldapmodify script. Ross -- Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reeds...@rice.edu Systems Engineer Admin, Research Scientistphone: 713-348-6166 The Connexions Project http://cnx.orgfax: 713-348-3665 Rice University MS-375, Houston, TX 77005 GPG Key fingerprint = F023 82C8 9B0E 2CC6 0D8E F888 D3AE 810E 88F0 BEDE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628153320.gf13...@rice.edu
Re: LDAP GUI clients (Petter Reinholdtsen's blog)
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:33:20AM -0500, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: Hello Petter (and the list): As requested, I'm forwarding comments here about what GUI clients seem to work for LDAP. I've used gq for some time. It seems to work for browsing as well as updating values, though I haven't tried major tree surgery (moving objects, removing subtrees) with it. This is the classic sort of area that I find a gui useful, if it's sufficently powerful: I do LDAP maintenance seldom enough that I tend to forget the finicky (but powerful) syntax. If I need to do more than update a few values (repoint someone's NFS automount homedir, for ex.) I refresh the neurons needed to write the ldapmodify script. I should mention, it looks like gq was packaged for etch, lost for lenny, but is back in sid. Ross -- Ross Reedstrom, Ph.D. reeds...@rice.edu Systems Engineer Admin, Research Scientistphone: 713-348-6166 The Connexions Project http://cnx.orgfax: 713-348-3665 Rice University MS-375, Houston, TX 77005 GPG Key fingerprint = F023 82C8 9B0E 2CC6 0D8E F888 D3AE 810E 88F0 BEDE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628162208.gh13...@rice.edu
Processed: Re: Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: tags 586243 + moreinfo Bug #586243 [education-desktop-sugar] education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users Added tag(s) moreinfo. clone 586243 -1 Bug#586243: education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users Bug 586243 cloned as bug 587441. severity -1 normal Bug #587441 [education-desktop-sugar] education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users Severity set to 'normal' from 'important' retitle -1 package description is misleading Bug #587441 [education-desktop-sugar] education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users Changed Bug title to 'package description is misleading' from 'education-desktop-sugar: please remove this package, it's outdated and confuses users' thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. -- 587441: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=587441 586243: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586243 -1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=-1 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/handler.s.c.127774454423977.transcr...@bugs.debian.org
Re: how to proceed with edu-squeeze changes
Le Monday 28 June 2010 16:20:52 Holger Levsen, vous avez écrit : Hi Andi, Hello Holger, On Mittwoch, 23. Juni 2010, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: To test the gosa setup we only need the gosa package. There is one in Squeeze, but it does not work at all, see: http://bugs.debian.org/573220 (btw. just saw a new comment there from Jordi ... that's good, 'cause I had already the impression I am the only one needing the package :-)) Ah. I've jsut pinged the maintainer on irc again... Yep just replied to the bug report If we want to do more than user handling, gosa-plugin-sudo, gosa-plugin-systems and gosa-plugin-dhcp are of interest for now. Are those in squeeze in the needed versions? I suggest to copy the package from sid to our archives as soon as it arrives. Will you do that? I'm happy to help you through the process, just ping me… Gosa should be uploaded tommorow if no more problem show up due to the deb 3.0 conversion and several patch Cheers -- Benoit Mortier CEO OpenSides logiciels libres pour entreprises : http://www.opensides.eu/ Promouvoir et défendre le Logiciel Libre http://www.april.org/ Contributor to Gosa Project : http://gosa-project.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006281925.34611.benoit.mort...@opensides.be
Re: how to proceed with edu-squeeze changes
Le Monday 28 June 2010 17:02:49 Andreas B. Mundt, vous avez écrit : On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 04:20:52PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Mittwoch, 23. Juni 2010, Andreas B. Mundt wrote: To test the gosa setup we only need the gosa package. There is one in Squeeze, but it does not work at all, see: http://bugs.debian.org/573220 [...] Hello, If we want to do more than user handling, gosa-plugin-sudo, gosa-plugin-systems and gosa-plugin-dhcp are of interest for now. Are those in squeeze in the needed versions? No. I just had a look on the gosa packages and their content in squeeze. It looks like the packaging changed, because the plugin-packages miss completely in the debian archives. (Compare with upstream http://oss.gonicus.de/pub/gosa/debian-lenny/ ). I hope that the upload to debian contains also the plugin-packages. Perhaps Benoit can shed some light on the issue. Yep in squeeze for now you have the old 2.5.x version who is not maintained anymore. the version that shoudl be uploaded tommorow is the 2.6.10 version, and in this version all the plugins are separated. This way you can just install the gosa core and the plugin you need I suggest to copy the package from sid to our archives as soon as it arrives. Will you do that? I'm happy to help you through the process, just ping me… OK, will ping you as soon as they are in sight. BTW, I managed to use the DNS and the DHCP plugin to configure tjener as server within gosa. We can prepare ldap to include this setup out of the box (I have a patch for ldap-bootstrapping (gosa.ldif) ready). This would make it easy for admins to modify their system, for example move services away from tjener to other machines or define subnets or whatever. Yes managing dhcp and dns with GOsa is a breeze, the latest version also have the dynamic dns update with all managed in the ldap tree For your setup, i would recommand using the dhcp, dns, ssh, sudo plugins at first sight Cheers -- Benoit Mortier CEO OpenSides logiciels libres pour entreprises : http://www.opensides.eu/ Promouvoir et défendre le Logiciel Libre http://www.april.org/ Contributor to Gosa Project : http://gosa-project.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006281929.07720.benoit.mort...@opensides.be
Re: Getting d-i to find firmware on the CD generated by debian-cd
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 03:42:19PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 03:17:08PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 06:58:52PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I've added code into debian-cd to generate images with firmware on the first CD. Add FORCE_FIRMWARE=1 in CONF.sh. I've also tweaked the build scripts so that we'll start generating them. I can see that I've got all the firmware debs in /firmware in the ISO, but I don't see any feedback to suggest that the installer is picking up on them. Test images available at I haven't tested it but just from this short text you seem to be doing it wrong. Thanks for that helpful feedback. From memory you should add the debs to the normal repository structure on the CD under non-free and in the Release file specify that the CD carries main and non-free. Iirc you also need to list non-free in the DI info file but I'm not sure. Last time I did this was by hand and when lenny was frozen. DI then sees that you have both main and non-free on the CD and reads main/binary-arch/Packages and non-free/binary-arch/Packages and sees all the firmware debs (same for udebs). Try reading up-thread to see what Petter has implemented...? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Google-bait: http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-edu-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100628212422.gd4...@einval.com
debian-edu-config_1.442~svn65368_i386.changes ACCEPTED
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