Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes:

 Hi!

 On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 22:42:11 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
 The i386 architecture was the first in Linux and in Debian, but we have
 long since dropped support for the original i386-compatible processors
 and now require a minimum of a 486-class processor.
 
 I think it is time to increase the minimum requirement to 586-class, if
 not for wheezy then immediately after.  (Later it should be increased
 further, and eventually i386 should be reduced to a partial architecture
 that may be installed on amd64 systems.)  This would allow the use of
 optimisations and new instructions throughout userland that improve
 performance for the vast majority of users.

 It seems gcc has been targetting i586 instruction set by default since
 gcc 4.4.0-1~exp1, although the triplet was not changed to match. On the
 discussion regarding multiarch tuples I proposed we should switch the
 triplet back to i386-linux-gnu to avoid this kind of confusion, fix the
 internal inconsistency and the one with other architectures (which do
 not track the base instruction set in the triplet) and so that we can
 use them directly as the multiarch tuples.

 For more details please see:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2011/02/msg00061.html
   http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2011/02/msg00039.html

 regards,
 guillem

While I agree that the triplet should be unique for all the reasons
stated in the two mails I have to disagree with your conclusion to
change the gcc triplet to i386-linux-gnu.

A gcc compiling for i486-linux-gnu, i585-linux-gnu or even
i686-linux-gnu is not compiling for the i386-linux-gnu ABI. You would be
making the same mistake that arm does on i*86 too, making the triplet
not unique. You could have a normal gcc and a i386-linux-gnu-gcc
on your system.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 19, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:

 I think it is time to increase the minimum requirement to 586-class, if
 not for wheezy then immediately after.
I agree, it's time to weight the costs and benefits of supporting
obsolete hardware at the expense of most users.

 (Later it should be increased
 further, and eventually i386 should be reduced to a partial architecture
 that may be installed on amd64 systems.)
Yes, but how much later? :-)

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Bug#614254: marked as done ([gcc-4.4] Please support ppc64)

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Please support ppc64.

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A75D B285 7050 4BF9 AEDA  91AC 3A10 59C6 5203 04DC
diff -Nurd gcc-4.4-4.4.5.orig/debian/lib32gomp1.symbols.ppc64 gcc-4.4-4.4.5/debian/lib32gomp1.symbols.ppc64
--- gcc-4.4-4.4.5.orig/debian/lib32gomp1.symbols.ppc64	2011-02-18 13:03:01.0 +0900
+++ gcc-4.4-4.4.5/debian/lib32gomp1.symbols.ppc64	2011-02-19 06:45:26.0 +0900
@@ -1,4 +1,131 @@
 libgomp.so.1 lib32gomp1 #MINVER#
-#include libgomp1.symbols.common
+ GOMP_atomic_end@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_atomic_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_barrier@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_critical_end@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_critical_name_end@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_critical_name_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_critical_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_dynamic_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_dynamic_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_end@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_end_nowait@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_guided_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_guided_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_dynamic_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_dynamic_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_guided_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_guided_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_runtime_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_runtime_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_static_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ordered_static_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_runtime_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_runtime_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_static_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_static_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_dynamic_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_dynamic_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_guided_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_guided_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_dynamic_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_dynamic_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_guided_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_guided_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_runtime_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_runtime_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_static_next@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_ordered_static_start@Base 4.4
+ GOMP_loop_ull_runtime_next@Base 4.4
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+ 

Bug#649307: gnat-4.6: FTBFS on kfreebsd-amd64 (gengtype: Internal error: abort in get_output_file_with_visibility, at gengtype.c:1998)

2011-11-20 Thread Matthias Klose
On 11/19/2011 11:50 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 23:32:48 +0100, Ludovic Brenta wrote:
 
 retitle 649307 FTBFS on kfreebsd-amd64: gengtype: Internal error: abort in 
 get_output_file_with_visibility, at gengtype.c:1998
 reassign 649307 src:gcc-4.6
 severity 649307 important
 forcemerge 649307 637236
 thanks

 Julien and everyone else, please stop filing FTBFS bugs automatically
 against gcc-4.6 or gnat-4.6.  We monitor the buildds and are aware of
 FTBFS, so these bugs are not useful for us and only take away some of
 our precious time for triaging.  Thanks.

Indeed.

 They may not be useful to you bug they're useful to everyone else.  Why
 are you downgrading this bug?

It's a buildd issue, which somebody needs to investigate.  The all port lights
on green attitude by the release team (not only for kfreebsd) doesn't help with
this either.

  Matthias



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Bug#649307: gnat-4.6: FTBFS on kfreebsd-amd64 (gengtype: Internal error: abort in get_output_file_with_visibility, at gengtype.c:1998)

2011-11-20 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 15:29 +0100, Matthias Klose wrote:
 On 11/19/2011 11:50 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 23:32:48 +0100, Ludovic Brenta wrote:
  
  retitle 649307 FTBFS on kfreebsd-amd64: gengtype: Internal error: abort in 
  get_output_file_with_visibility, at gengtype.c:1998
  reassign 649307 src:gcc-4.6
  severity 649307 important
  forcemerge 649307 637236
  thanks
 
  Julien and everyone else, please stop filing FTBFS bugs automatically
  against gcc-4.6 or gnat-4.6.

They're not automatic, the package *is* failing to build, and that issue
should be documented.

  We monitor the buildds and are aware of
  FTBFS, so these bugs are not useful for us and only take away some of
  our precious time for triaging.  Thanks.

Failures of other packages to build can't be blocked against oh, the
maintainers will know about it.  Nor is anyone triaging said failures
going to automatically be aware that you know about the issue, what
progress (if any) has made towards resolving it, whether it's an issue
with GC{C,J} itself or a kernel or glibc issue, ...

In this particular case, it appears that the bug is actually in gcc and
that the gnat failure is a side-effect?  In that case, the bug should be
marked as affecting the gnat package, so it shows up in gnat's bug list.

I see Julien already added the affects, but if that had been done when
the bug was reassigned then it would have been visible in gnat-4.6's bug
list before a duplicate was filed and I suspect at least some of the
animosity in this exchange could have been avoided.

  They may not be useful to you bug they're useful to everyone else.  Why
  are you downgrading this bug?
 
 It's a buildd issue, which somebody needs to investigate.

The log of #637236, which Julien's report got merged with, implies that
someone *is* and has been investigating.

As a general note, marking what are otherwise RC bugs as important so
that the package can migrate isn't really appropriate, at least not
without discussion with the release team (at which point we can e.g.
tell britney to ignore the problems for a particular version).

 The all port lights
 on green attitude by the release team (not only for kfreebsd) doesn't help 
 with
 this either.

If you have specific concerns about the viability of specific ports,
then raise them appropriately (and preferably in a constructive manner).
Making snide remarks and then complaining that nobody's listening to the
issues isn't helpful.

Regards,

Adam




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Bug#622698: gcc-4.4: Please disable libstdc++- testsuite on sh4

2011-11-20 Thread Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
Hi,

2011/11/18 Matthias Klose d...@debian.org:
 tag 622698 + wontfix
 thanks

 On 04/14/2011 02:26 AM, Nobuhiro Iwamatsu wrote:
 Package: gcc-4.4
 Version: 4.4.5-14
 Severity: wishlist
 Tags: patch

 sh4 needs much time in a test of gcc.
 It is a test of libstdc++ to spend much time in that (about 28 hour).
 I want to disable sh4's test of libstdc++ in the same way as arm*(Ubuntu).

 Please disable libstdc++- testsuite on sh4.

 I do not want to disable tests just because they take too long.


Yes, I agree.

Best regards,
  Nobuhiro

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