Bug#388246: Is the application of the GFDL to the gcc manpage a GNU or a Debian decision?

2007-05-11 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 02:06:38PM -0500, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote:
 So what, exactly, is the status of the GFDL and GCC's manpage? I still
 insist that no GCC manpage is a serious policy violation, especially
 considering the importance of a package like GCC.

The man page is generated from the Texinfo documentation.  Accordingly
it is covered by the same license.  I don't know what the status of
invariant sections in it is.

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Bug#388246: Is the application of the GFDL to the gcc manpage a GNU or a Debian decision?

2007-05-11 Thread Matthias Klose
Daniel Jacobowitz writes:
 On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 02:06:38PM -0500, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote:
  So what, exactly, is the status of the GFDL and GCC's manpage? I still
  insist that no GCC manpage is a serious policy violation, especially
  considering the importance of a package like GCC.
 
 The man page is generated from the Texinfo documentation.  Accordingly
 it is covered by the same license.  I don't know what the status of
 invariant sections in it is.

same as for the texinfo docs.


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Bug#388246: Is the application of the GFDL to the gcc manpage a GNU or a Debian decision?

2007-05-11 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
Sorry I don't think I highlighted the bit I meant.

On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:28:06PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
 ware Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being GNU General
 Public License and Funding
 Free Software,

How can Funding Free Software be an invariant section of the GCC
manual page, when it isn't included?

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Bug#388246: Is the application of the GFDL to the gcc manpage a GNU or a Debian decision?

2007-05-11 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:38:57PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
 Daniel Jacobowitz writes:
  Sorry I don't think I highlighted the bit I meant.
  
  On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:28:06PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
   ware Foundation; with the Invariant Sections being GNU General
   Public License and Funding
   Free Software,
  
  How can Funding Free Software be an invariant section of the GCC
  manual page, when it isn't included?
 
 it is splitted out into its own manual page fsf-funding(7); I'll
 prepare a patch for upstream to clarify that.

Oh!  Thanks.

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Bug#388246: Is the application of the GFDL to the gcc manpage a GNU or a Debian decision?

2007-05-03 Thread Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso

The license information in the GCC manpage at the bottom is decidedly
weird. It refers to invariant sections that can't be found in the GCC
manpage. On this topic, I have emailed debian-legal, to this effect:

On 03/05/07, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I'm rather confused. The GCC maintainers put the manpage in non-free
 along with the rest of the GCC docs. The manpage says at the bottom
 that it's covered by the GFDL and mentions invariant sections that
 aren't in the manpage. Huh? What does this mean as far as the location
 of the manpage and the GFDL/Debian fiasco?

It probably means that the GCC maintainers have misused the FDL by
accident, similar to the GDB maintainers in the past.  I feel putting a
manpage under the FDL is stupid because then the manpage has to include
a copy of the FDL, which is far longer than a typical manpage.

This may be related to bug 412272 or bug 388246

Please report a bug against gcc-doc (or gcc?) if you agree that
non-inclusion of the FDL means that the man page is undistributable.

If you would like to take it further, please research whether the GCC
maintainers know that using the FDL for a manpage has problems.  Some GNU
projects use info files, so maybe the manpage in non-free was not made
by them - in which case, it says nothing about the GNU FDL fiasco.
If it is their man page, then it means yet another mature GNU project
has been confused by the FDL.

Hope that helps,


So what, exactly, is the status of the GFDL and GCC's manpage? I still
insist that no GCC manpage is a serious policy violation, especially
considering the importance of a package like GCC.


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