Bug#959874: locales: default date format for en_DK and other en_* should be improved

2020-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno 
On 2020-05-06 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2020-05-06 16:12:58 +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > On 2020-05-06 13:52, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > Package: locales
> > > Version: 2.30-5
> > > Severity: wishlist
> > > 
> > > I'm using LC_TIME=en_DK for the ISO 8601 date format, i.e. when
> > > written with digits. But the default date format seems to be the
> > > same one as LC_TIME=C and should be improved. This has currently
> > > been done only for US:
> > 
> > Please note that the en_US change is controversial and likely going to
> > be reverted. See https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25923
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is the same thing as this one focuses
> on day/month ordering, but there's the place of the year (which
> was actually the main thing I was thinking about).

Nope, this one indeed complains about the day/month ordering, but given
all the date part is going to be revert, the place of the year will also
be reverted.

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Bug#959874: locales: default date format for en_DK and other en_* should be improved

2020-05-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre 
On 2020-05-06 16:12:58 +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> On 2020-05-06 13:52, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Package: locales
> > Version: 2.30-5
> > Severity: wishlist
> > 
> > I'm using LC_TIME=en_DK for the ISO 8601 date format, i.e. when
> > written with digits. But the default date format seems to be the
> > same one as LC_TIME=C and should be improved. This has currently
> > been done only for US:
> 
> Please note that the en_US change is controversial and likely going to
> be reverted. See https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25923

I'm not sure whether this is the same thing as this one focuses
on day/month ordering, but there's the place of the year (which
was actually the main thing I was thinking about).

> I guess the same argument will apply to other locales, ie that we should
> change things that have been like that for decades.

Concerning the year, there's also a lack of consistency in Canada:

$ for i in $(locale -a | grep _CA); do printf "%-20s" $i; LC_TIME=$i date; done
en_CA   Wed May  6 17:42:39 CEST 2020
en_CA.utf8  Wed May  6 17:42:39 CEST 2020
fr_CA   mercredi 6 mai 2020, 17:42:39 (UTC+0200)
fr_CA.utf8  mercredi 6 mai 2020, 17:42:39 (UTC+0200)
ik_CA   Qit Sup  6 17:42:39 CEST 2020
iu_CA   ᐱ ᒪᐃ  6 17:42:39 CEST 2020
shs_CA  Ske Ell  6 17:42:39 CEST 2020

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Bug#959874: locales: default date format for en_DK and other en_* should be improved

2020-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno 
On 2020-05-06 13:52, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Package: locales
> Version: 2.30-5
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> I'm using LC_TIME=en_DK for the ISO 8601 date format, i.e. when
> written with digits. But the default date format seems to be the
> same one as LC_TIME=C and should be improved. This has currently
> been done only for US:

Please note that the en_US change is controversial and likely going to
be reverted. See https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25923

I guess the same argument will apply to other locales, ie that we should
change things that have been like that for decades.

> $ for i in $(locale -a | grep en_); do printf "%-20s" $i; LC_TIME=$i date; 
> done
> en_AG   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_AU   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_AU.utf8  Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_BW   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_BW.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_CA   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_CA.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_DK   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_DK.iso885915 Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_DK.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_GB   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_GB.iso885915 Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_GB.utf8  Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_HK   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_HK.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_IE   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_IE.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_IE@euro  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_IL   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_IN   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_NG   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_NZ   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_NZ.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_PH   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_PH.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_SC.utf8  Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_SG   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_SG.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_US   Wed 06 May 2020 01:46:50 PM CEST
> en_US.iso885915 Wed 06 May 2020 01:46:50 PM CEST
> en_US.utf8  Wed 06 May 2020 01:46:50 PM CEST
> en_ZA   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_ZA.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_ZM   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_ZW   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> en_ZW.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
> 
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: bullseye/sid
>   APT prefers unstable-debug
>   APT policy: (500, 'unstable-debug'), (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 
> 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
> Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
> 
> Kernel: Linux 5.6.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
> Locale: LANG=POSIX, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=POSIX 
> (charmap=UTF-8)
> Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
> Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
> LSM: AppArmor: enabled
> 
> Versions of packages locales depends on:
> ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]  1.5.74
> ii  libc-bin   2.30-5
> ii  libc-l10n  2.30-5
> 
> locales recommends no packages.
> 
> locales suggests no packages.
> 
> -- debconf information:
> * locales/default_environment_locale: None
> * locales/locales_to_be_generated: All locales
> 
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> Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)
> 
> 

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Bug#959874: locales: default date format for en_DK and other en_* should be improved

2020-05-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre 
Package: locales
Version: 2.30-5
Severity: wishlist

I'm using LC_TIME=en_DK for the ISO 8601 date format, i.e. when
written with digits. But the default date format seems to be the
same one as LC_TIME=C and should be improved. This has currently
been done only for US:

$ for i in $(locale -a | grep en_); do printf "%-20s" $i; LC_TIME=$i date; done
en_AG   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_AU   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_AU.utf8  Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_BW   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_BW.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_CA   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_CA.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_DK   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_DK.iso885915 Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_DK.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_GB   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_GB.iso885915 Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_GB.utf8  Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_HK   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_HK.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_IE   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_IE.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_IE@euro  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_IL   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_IN   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_NG   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_NZ   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_NZ.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_PH   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_PH.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_SC.utf8  Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_SG   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_SG.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_US   Wed 06 May 2020 01:46:50 PM CEST
en_US.iso885915 Wed 06 May 2020 01:46:50 PM CEST
en_US.utf8  Wed 06 May 2020 01:46:50 PM CEST
en_ZA   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_ZA.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_ZM   Wed  6 May 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_ZW   Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020
en_ZW.utf8  Wed May  6 13:46:50 CEST 2020

-- System Information:
Debian Release: bullseye/sid
  APT prefers unstable-debug
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable-debug'), (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 
'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 5.6.0-1-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=POSIX, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=POSIX 
(charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages locales depends on:
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]  1.5.74
ii  libc-bin   2.30-5
ii  libc-l10n  2.30-5

locales recommends no packages.

locales suggests no packages.

-- debconf information:
* locales/default_environment_locale: None
* locales/locales_to_be_generated: All locales

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