Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly. Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* your desktop, it's not like you have to pick the default. Do a minimal install, then use tasksel to select XFCE (or just x + a window manager + the application you actually need). The CD images are fixed size. They will fill out a CD-size (or a DVD, if they are DVD-images). Netinst images can obviously be optimized for size, but the netinst images do not contain the desktop environment, so whichever desktop is default is a totally moot question in that scenario. Summary: * If you download you can pick the smallest option possible; thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you know that your connectivity is expensive you'll go for something small (possibly forgoing the tasks system altogether) * If you use ready-made CD/DVD images they'll be fixed size no matter what. If you sneaker-net them you definitely want them to be full, not half-full. Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140811173843.gd2...@hirohito.acc.umu.se
Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: All I personally expect from a window manager is: Be able to launch programs (ideally using alt+F2) Available in GNOME 3. Be able to resize the window using the edge of the window Available in GNOME 3. Have a maximize/restore button Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable using gnome-tweak-tool. Have a minimize button Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable using gnome-tweak-tool. Have a close button Available in GNOME 3. (These last 3 should also show up when I hit alt+space, because well I have used that keystroke on many systems for over 20 years to do that). Alt+space brings up the window menu in GNOME 3. So, sounds like GNOME 3 provides/can provide everything you seem to expect from a window manager. Kind regards, David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140811174240.ge2...@hirohito.acc.umu.se
Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:53PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: Available in GNOME 3. Available in GNOME 3. Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable using gnome-tweak-tool. I shouldn't have to know that. And I am pretty sure when gnome3 appeared in sid, it wasn't available. Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable using gnome-tweak-tool. I will somewhat agree that one is hardly ever used since I just alt+tab to the other window I want. Available in GNOME 3. Alt+space brings up the window menu in GNOME 3. So, sounds like GNOME 3 provides/can provide everything you seem to expect from a window manager. Trying to navigate the horrible menu system trying to find where to configure things was highly unpleasant too. It made windows 8 seem sane. I just believe the default when you install and log in the first time shoudl be something that makes sense to your typical average user, and I don't think gnome3 by default does that. It can be tweaked to do so now (I don't think it could initially), but the typical user won't know how to do that. The defaults are bad. Well, if there's a consensus that the minimise/maximise buttons are needed (I always enable them, so I'd vote yes!), then I'm sure that the Debian GNOME team will be happy to enable those options by default. Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140811200924.gf2...@hirohito.acc.umu.se
Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: The issue here really is how big is it? rather than hos many disks [of which kind] does it fit onto?. unable to fit on a single image is not only about use of said storage devices for installation, but also an indication more generally of how much data needs to be transfered on average for a usable installation. Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing countries: non-techies gets discourages to use Debian at all, or when using it may apply security fixes less often. In all cases where I'm stuck with expensive (and/or slow) Internet I sure as hell pick the netinst image and download the minimum set of packages I need, rather than a whole CD image on the offhand chance that I might need everything on it (which is exceedingly unlikely). If, on the other hand, I download a CD-image somewhere else to burn it and then bring it home, the image will always be full CD-size (or are you suggesting that we start distributing half-empty CD-images?). So, as long as GNOME fits on the first installation CD I see no reason not to prefer it over XFCE. Kind regards, David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140810205944.gc2...@hirohito.acc.umu.se
Re: Affected by gnome-shell lockups on wheezy?
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 11:58:31PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi all, despite some workarounds added to the gnome-shell package, some users have still complained of more or less frequent deadlocks of the shell (usually 10 minutes after login), forcing them to fall back to GNOME Classic or other desktops. We know vaguely where this comes from, and it should be fixed in GNOME 3.8, but in the meantime we can improve the situation in wheezy. If you have been affected by such deadlocks, please test gnome-shell 3.4.2-11 in unstable. I can also provide wheezy packages if needed. If the deadlock happens, it should now soon after login, and the shell should restart after 10 seconds instead of remaining locked. It’s still far from perfect, of course, but it should be a big improvement over losing the session. If the tests are conclusive, we’ll upload this fix into wheezy in the next point release. I'm using gnome-shell 3.8.3 from experimental I'm still seeing lockups every now and then. Not sure whether it's the same issue, but it's annoying, it's rather frequent, and now with the workspace grid and weather notification extensions rectifying the shortcomings of the default behaviour I'd be very disappointed to have to abandon gnome-shell. Is there anything I can do to help debug this issue (unless it's completely unrelated and should be filed separately). Kind regards, David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130705213024.ga11...@hirohito.acc.umu.se
Re: gnome-calculator issues in GNOME 3.8
On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 01:20:13PM -0300, Marcelo Santana wrote: Hi folks, Please does anyone know why gnome-calculator from experimental no longer appear among gnome 3.8 applications? Another issue: it no longer provides advanced mode for scientific or financial calculations. The advanced modes are still there. You just need to locate where to change this. And since all changes made by the GNOME developers are made to make things more intuitive and userfriendly I guess I don't have to tell you to look at the app menu in the top menu bar (you know the MacOS ripoff that totally isn't a MacOS ripoff, we promise). Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130408183601.ga25...@hirohito.acc.umu.se
Re: RFS: cinnamon and muffin
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 07:03:35PM +0200, Nicolas Bourdaud wrote: Hi all! I have prepared packages of Cinnamon and Muffin which are forks of respectively gnome-shell and mutter made by Linux Mint. Cinnamon have attracted a certain number of people which like it as a compromise between the Gnome 2 panel and Gnome shell experience. However I am myself only a DM and I am looking for sponsor to upload them into the Debian archive. I thought that I could find on this mailing list some DD that have experience of this type of package. ;-) If you are interested, please find the relevant RFS: muffin: http://bugs.debian.org/680544 cinnamon: http://bugs.debian.org/680546 Interesting! You don't happen to have any plans to package Nemo, now with Nautilus 3.6 having been crippled :S I've gotten used to gnome-shell (though I still really grieve the loss of a 2-dimensional workspace), but I don't think I can get used the loss of functionality and disruption of workflow that the new Nautilus brings. Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121030224047.ga3...@suiko.acc.umu.se
Re: GNOME 3 and panel applets
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 06:17:36PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: [Bcc: all maintainers of GNOME applets] Hi, as it was already mentioned for other reasons, GNOME 3 is just around the corner, and there are some big changes ahead. DO NOT PANIC: the current desktop with gnome-panel and metacity will remain as an alternative. Anyone wanting to troll about how gnome-shell sucks is invited to do so elsewhere, since the topic here is gnome-panel. The panel remains, but it will be a GTK3 / D-Bus panel. In its current state, it doesn’t support the good old GTK2 / bonobo applets, of which we have a lot in the archive. Upstream confirmed they don’t have time to support them for 3.0 unless someone steps up to do the job. This is only partially correct though. gnome-panel will remain, but in a heavily modified state -- the intention for the GNOME 3 version of gnome-panel is having it as a fallback in case gnome-shell isn't supported, and thus a lot of features will be gutted or altered to ensure that it behaves as similar as possible to gnome-shell. People who have been expressing concern about this have, reasonably enough, been told that gnome-panel 2.32 is probably what they really want. Are there any plans to provide this package? [snip] Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110307010110.gh23...@suiko.acc.umu.se
Re: tracker 0.8 transition
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:09:58PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 12 avril 2010 à 18:35 +0200, Michael Biebl a écrit : nautilus (2.28 links against libtrackerclient, 2.30 uses dlopen) Be it only for that, I’d prefer to do it after the gnome-desktop transition (which implies uploading nautilus, control-center and gnome-settings-daemon 2.30). The question remains, whether to do it before or after evolution, since it would be entangled with it. Isn't the evolution transition still blocked by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565809 ? [snip] Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100412203543.gu24...@test5.acc.umu.se
Inclusion in Uploaders:
I'm a member of the pkg-gnome team on alioth, but that apparently doesn't mean automatic inclusion in the gnome-pkg-tools list of uploaders; what exactly is needed for this? Should I add myself to that package first in the subversion repository, and make an upload up that package, or do I need someone to vouch for me? My intention is to upload epiphany-extension with a fix for upstream bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599562 Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall t...@debian.org /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-gtk-gnome-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100304190710.gi24...@test5.acc.umu.se
Re: xdg-user-dirs defaults
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 09:46:33AM +0200, Sebastian Dröge wrote: Hi, I'm currently looking at xdg-user-dirs[0] and we should probably get this into Debian now that many applications and libraries (including glib) have support for this. There's also a gtk extension that will add the xdg-user-dirs directories to the bookmarks (of the filechooser, etc). The question is now, which defaults we want for the different directories. The defaults are given below, all relative to $HOME: DESKTOP=Desktop DOWNLOAD=Download TEMPLATES=Templates PUBLICSHARE=Public DOCUMENTS=Documents MUSIC=Music PICTURES=Pictures VIDEOS=Videos The names of the directories are obviously translated into the user's language. Translated in the dialogs or on disk? If the latter, wth happens when the user changes locale? I would suggest to leave this values as default but maybe someone has better ideas :) The defaults look pretty OK, IMHO. Not so sure about a separate directory for templates, I think those could go into the Documents directory, but maybe others disagree. Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome-panel pixmap usage
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 05:19:56PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007, Miles Bader wrote: So does anybody have a clue why gnome-panel would be using so much pixmap memory? Does it have known pixmap leaks? Perhaps one of your applet leaks pixmaps; if you graph it over time, or simply compare the values after restarting gnome-panel, you might tell for sure whether it's a leak. I've been watching the value, and it seems to be increasing, but only slowly (now, for instance, it's 88MB instead of 85MB). This X session was started about a week ago, so I guess even a slow leak might have reached 85MB by now... Do applets in the panel generally share the same (gnome-panel) process/x-window? I've noticed some applets seem to show up as separate processes with their own xrestop entry, e.g., I see the following in xrestop: 120 8 300 37 17 849K 1K850K 2889 multiload-applet 140 5 270 31 15 491K 1K492K 2891 mixer_applet2 Other than those two, all I have is pretty standard stuff: * The gnome menu button * 4 launcher icons * The task list * The standard clock/date display Ok -- I just did killall gnome-panel and the new gnome-panel seems to be using much less pixmap memory: now it's using about 3 MB. I'll watch it for a while, but it's certainly smelling like a leak to me at the moment 3MB still sounds a lot; according to xrestop, my gnome-panel(s) (one on top, one at the bottom) uses a bit more than 500k, and that's with screensaver applet, fast user switch, gnome menu, 5 launchers, system monitor, desktop switcher, volume applet, weather applet, zeroconf discovery, clock/date, notification area, window selector, and show desktop button. Do you have evolution installed? It might be the evolution-date/time coupling that causes the leak (guessing wildly here). Regards: David -- /) David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Evolution question
On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 03:40:25PM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: Greetings, I'd like to submit a wishlist Evolution bug upstream for a quick search Sender or recipients contains to identify all of the correspondence in a given folder between the user and a particular person, or set of people whose email addresses all contain the search term. I can't count how many times I've wanted to do this... But I'm still running etch, and don't want to request a feature which is already there in a newer version. Can anyone who is using the latest Evolution (2.10 right?) just let me know whether this is part of the drop-down quick search menu? Nope, it isn't, at least not in 2.10.1-1. Regards: David Weinehall -- /) David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] /) Rime on my window (\ // ~ // Diamond-white roses of fire // \) http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/(/ Beautiful hoar-frost (/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
