Re: When will it be ready?
So is it just me or was not everyone aware that Debian takes long with packages and you are not going to get them righ away. If you want that then you should try Redhat. I installed KDE3 on a RedHat box and its not all that diffrent or great, its a little bit fast and has a few new nice tools and it looks even more like Windows then it did before. I personally prefered 2.2.1 to 3.0 from what I saw at it at first glance. So I don't understand the huge hurry of every one wanting to get it. There are those who like to be running the latestst greatest and there are those who would like it stable first. Rule of thumb never install something that is brand new right away because there are going to still be bugs in it, I have hosed my box a few times doing this. Richard Shaw wrote: > People have been getting progressively angrier about the frequency with > which this is asked, so being calm by nature I'll answer it. I'll quote > Mr Daniel Stone. > > 'The packages are coming very soon; most every module has a working > directory, but kdebase's is still broken; that's what Chris is working > on.' > > They should be done within the next couple of days is the impression I > get, but they will only be done when they are ready. > > Richard > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde3 compile script
hi folk, has everyone a compile script for kde3 like garnome for gnome? -- thanks Wolfgang Nolte http://www.nmmn.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I show all debian KDE packages that I have installed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, is there a feasible way to show all KDE packages that I have installed? apt-cache search KDE shows all packages, not only those that I have installed. dpkg -l '*kde*' doesn't work because lots of KDE packages (kmail, knode, ...) have names that don't include kde. Grep'ing for 'k' doesn't seem like a good idea, either (what about noatun? :). I don't know, can I search in the package descriptions of installed packages? - -- - -M - --- Magnus von Koeller --- email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] address: Georg-Westermann-Allee 76 D-38104 Braunschweig / Germany phone:+49-531-2094886 mobile: +49-179-4562940 web: http://www.vonkoeller.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8vGSMUIvM6e6BgFARAuzpAKDOjSw4/0udz3ehm3QeuXPT6T43fwCeKtwU DHouunZq/+oUwYI/z3kgUWs= =Sjz7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you
With so many people shouting and yelling, I just want to say thank you to the debian kde packagers. You have been doing a great job in the past, and I know you will be doing a great job with kde3. Hans -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will it be ready?
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On Monday 15 April 2002 6:10 pm, Eray Ozkural wrote:
> On Monday 15 April 2002 16:03, Mark Brown wrote:
> > > Packaging KDE is significantly more difficult than most other packaging
> > > tasks. KDE depends on many libraries which all have to work together,
> > > and compilation takes ages.
> >
> > Let me think of an example of a package which it ought to be easier to
> > package... Ah, yes - insight or sather.
>
> Hmm. Well I think I myself said that testing KDE packages is difficult, it
> takes a lot of time to build and run/test, etc. I could claim that both
> those packages you mentioned were not so easy to package OTOH, look at the
> diffs and size...
>
> KDE3 configures, builds and installs on debian already. You don't need to
> fix that part. For policy compliance you change a few dirs, and well,
> that's it. I think packaging something is hard when it's difficult to
> configure and build it for your system; ie when you have to fix it. For KDE
> it's not like that, because KDE is portable and up-to-date software.
>
You would be wrong there. KDE does not like it if you change installation
directories. Variuos programs can't cope if $sysconfdir is not under $prefix.
Some of the packages don't like it when $objdir!=$srcdir.
There is also more to do the the debian packages than changing installation
directories. Manpages have to be written, rpath info has to be removed,
init.d scripts have to be changed. {pre,post}-{inst,rm} scripts have to be
written, kdm has be a drop in replacement for xdm, kde has to be set up as a
session option for xdm/gdm/wdm etc. They are only the things that I can think
of off the top of my head.
That doesn't include fixing bugs in other packages. calc spent most of the
weekend fixing a bug in debhelper. He has also has to update packages which
are not in sid yet, but are needed by KDE (i.e. libxslt)
> For a clean upgrade path, I really don't know what to say!!! Just bear in
> mind that you don't need much of an upgrade path :) You don't need to delve
> into some satanic configuration files it seems. It should be quite smooth
> for users. Maybe running kbuildsycoca automatically might be of help, but
> I'm not really sure. That is covered in KDE manuals, it may be expected
> that user does it himself. Are there any other issues?
>
> Thanks everybody for their comments by the way.
>
> Regards,
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Re: kde and debian packages
tisdagen den 16 april 2002 08.04 skrev Daniel Stone: > Maybe you're unaware that Chris's final exams are in 2 weeks. Whatever > the case, I suggest you check kdebase out of CVS and help him by > building the debs yourself. I look forward to either a retraction of > this email from you, or your kdebase debs. If he would commit his current work to CVS it would be possible for others to do just that. But since the debian files for kdebase are from December 15 they is very old, and it is pretty useless to duplicate work he already presumely have done. Actually, since the CVS files are signed "krusty", it appears that nothing at all is commited by later maintainers. Why can't he just say "Hey, I can't work with it for one month now, since I have final exams", then someone else can continue the work in the meantime. And when he comes back, if he does that, he can look at what is done. But it requires the current work to be communicated somehow. Something we are waiting for. And we are waiting and waiting.. -- Karolina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will it be ready?
måndagen den 15 april 2002 18.43 skrev Eray Ozkural: > I disagree with that. Applying a patch doesn't require any working > knowledge of programming. Your second point may be important for some > software that needs it. I modified insight a lot, and changed some stuff in > metis, yes I do think that you may need to make some changes yourself. > However, in KDE's case I really don't think you need to go beyond the usual > configure/build/install routine. > > I've done my share in making sure that KDE3 builds properly by committing a > few build fixes. :) I somehow have a hard time understanding all this discussion. Not releasing the basic kde package, will also stop everyone who want to make debian packages for all other KDE programs, since you need kdelibs/kdebase for doing that. And then, why all this tinkering in secrecy? Why not release a kind of basic vanilla KDE3 debian package, and say "this is beta", just to make it possible to develop software for KDE3/debian. All the thinkering and adapting and optimising can be done later. This is not the car industry where one have to release a perfect product on the first day, but by releasing beta packages and applying a kind of methodology of stepwise refinement, others can take part in the process, can continue with their own projects, and can also give valuable feedback. Locking out others from this is kind of against the whole open software idea. This actually worked pretty good with KDE2, (although the debian directory was very seldom updated) What I mean, can't the whole debianisation be divided into two parts. 1) Making it build into .deb files 2) tinkering and making specific patches. That can even be done by different persons and for different parts of the KDE package. What we need is a kind of build manager, who just makes the whole thing build, quite fast, and regularly when the CVS is updated, and then different persons take on different parts and make very specific debian patches. -- Karolina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Konq Won't Yahoo-Groups???
I updated my woody 2 days ago, it looks like ok to me. Oleg On Monday 15 April 2002 20:52, Robert Tilley wrote: > Whenever I try to access Yahoo Groups (groups.yahoo.com) with Konq 2.2, the > attempt fails with the following: > > Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not > understand. > > Size of a request header field exceeds server limit. > > > > Cookie: adult=1tilleyrw; > G=v=6&data=464_auj4biQIOmeuBfbCeqEmc7yoNG7xiAex6TSeXwnRhmmV6HcbcbPzc7h_3eSO >-DrWCu8d_WOddkzD-yIC8oW04dpJupOvNT59gV8KfRNP2QuEK3Fsrh57RyZ3FmJUiTJTPgFBnXEu >rlHbTdsyFfOJOhzYS_9Xy08XqcTSGS-ofU9V7raTfuvpJNWZhJPGxOQGmsTivMseMxwq0aWe65jU >X42U8YNO83WpUMDEiMoSjxYmg7y6ZY4CV_LEn0T5Qn4zixeXHNb0tWF4oWfL4W_vQ8RaDCbL5-0i >bda4fcPd5W2vxJ0SVfl__tjpBZAk8bmKJCw5kjpvtggp&n=5; > G=v=6&data=D7SlmI-uZGpZ367wkSZYzsocHc1tTU8sJ0ikN91AJ9M5o8G2MJpYg-2rkdVoJben >li58Gdzv2ZpjoZEqiW6Jki8lXPBf3PPSpuFOyft8Wzi1o5KoEc5NbvfdX50USn9jJpgtZuz2_soa >Q3VKSIgX3d5ME1AO5Z8F1bpZO8CT8WvoTmAuAcKUOfTwZN57f2c-P8_rpGorwQhHpdEaNQh8O3ug >1rp9t2cwqNTlBt81MnTDBTw_PRIsNAWZrKJkgPSEtNT9rmkYWc8LGP7zkRkW2_DNlpA7Axr6N9Xx >SB9kmbwdxmoDc7pNku288lJEozMQZT-ZpHk-ON2bYIrLSFFw49DgSmlWYGZrsg6MANosNNrEa6jw >&n=7; > G=v=6&data=VRvvgtW9F44rhPy8k4LvIS__sqNCdXPaHvP5jrb6iLx-eLbFshj4Nj3q7BDVgyS4 >zOGFPb1O0LyTiZqDX4lNZxs87oIACA_BLxcF8zNPfdzbTP4qRlrEVvaK4Ag-LGFOkuFikM5_0Z3i >NjauutUSGmtG6YsNU-wXQPPVlpPcGNve5I1xLRKgxowAJmU6-AzTGkaTlaJ3waCEQP5Zyk9Lh_xm >XKLhclGUX94UkprSmdhwI1iokw8Sd5uGp_-mvMvHOBT6VasbOHCv62mOmScTVeSTtNrjUgu2m_6m >1A&n=9; > G=v=6&data=QqP4p2YSkyqvT8DR9VvO34ifDXyT_4Bxy1DyzKWv9XI_0F0FtBy1agtCk9poh9K2 >5_bvKTDLLDUyRnbTCmJej5maotSiVtwnkCWLNIjsXReBiXjrv9EGlJKbZ1wPuSZmsfFv34AMd1Sw >kiL7d-Yhlf-ca5O_Jb2_Hh7efWz7BkvhOv_w9hlDhVTCHjl3CcfYgCcQpTyupRJFfFaxjwCqLIiY >mtqW1OKNk-f4Ag1Zlt6N0ALnih8hOW7DaZHJ-Cif957FydmZe9RFCEHbJbKgrydx7pP7N-pgTyV2 >4TH7LpW_Kjv5_xh-bu3kDyl0wi4Kt0W48jlwUfOhuS2sYzfu8XM9YZpoOEyV7QyNQNqTuN_TTp9x >pekwhLpNbs7Ihs8FFjCp2k7pGgertTnmbl3OPWPFQ_U&n=10; > G=v=6&data=Kx6klPEOvgzOGRrurQG13H9_mSXTk1Is6R2Rdp2fPFDy75PneREqj3d49NukUdjl >JrwP6zMXjrJNqDRUgT0zEaziJ4Q4hrHcR7alovk4Vjemr3XFRrPTAPUM592-EtaydWbU5KXc4Ro- >RAQImFmSBnMxu4i7qOme-gtaPpSt4ycAEfDadXx0tA5L5otQcEBPPFrc-0DMzRhx6k0HGsiBaTJI >9HzbQt1rCzS5nYqZBltJcu_9t18eqdy7EQNsWNWWVEQqTLlmGYHRrk5Itt0BoQPoITH_XEuVtto5 >UYzcqhL9CJoEiMLdvPza197SQBejkPdq-KvEybEqhQIOuOKnPdNDpOlJoKB8z9CUqo9dhX-nXw5k >4cLe-K1sr2NHjRyP0nhLY_kbfrLVyWSI&n=10; > G=v=6&data=cj7tsxwdLTxBDzpwPQ9BXBqiRb5fdDpbG3zb6nv_W58_a4YY8Th7N4Rw14CnXCV_ >y5U6fluUYajPgni1r-tRbYA8VJ1QS5UzNe83mOPg_Ws8LevpjsPuNALMomXpJI2W6LCCx11rVBAs >HrYCltYfnaZLL2mM78hB6vGmvl4beV-D1MvRjY2rNM54YEhUs8baXsrYqbTFLHT1ube6oN9X6wb- >c53hzP3UsedAwDIVHxMERVuz6JiR-xHUOExDL-HPsiyg3qlZLcnN3SZLmgfu0wsdk_jaT_xrNdyV >7d0Gyr6tfuKTp4ukgalLqbotRXzZa2XpAecqtZPPIqErZ0nmRPgDdQ1f38y54TwReXNr2hwAGcv0 >hVAHDV_QTXeenROBVpxdDII2G7sIdBF4&n=10; > G=v=6&data=qy7AHn7csJO2euuPlqhtlsb3LHSWFCGv9YkW_Rj4i97E4epmA5y8MJmjNL47XQrH >16cJ5kWa6ZDramB72zOOY9WmLC4KoKPs0JJec8NQzKHLXnQa-_YoRGmUUjDgpjNyvyBfWIUIJ42n >Lu-NV9X_KYJ1FxNhhi3Z4Jd6h-Bmh9ZjPD4Z0gcMc3RZ9xiDCbGY9oJXxSILeMgvWKUpZtFL3gQv >3SUMT3-ZeIwQ2CuN0extvXpFGJpKOkGP2ksh76sgDmSxEuIIqkOwyogMxfX-kZ_OM8YVPZl7WDmQ >QnzJO9gPxkViYdAbzmS4zGXmTkk4Y7hnKVHQ150EckTT1dB6tf_MsvY&n=11; > G=v=6&data=oKvF7tqMcIVSvkF5jpTCVpOWir3JubFsse8GVIgdwAuG6Kn0b55RNBG3gTYIzxRc >bXnxUdPoTODwLeTjfOvz8Fqlvm89JsA9oOVtPsgSszBIFEfIDOWceAU-zSNJmrhcZXIoom439pLb >n3WhjYwTV8Rb1anCRekSj8aDu9344DTT9PaZTXdXkIN6RynNh3yrYgMWFhHnlOoErPTzSdBA_wgx >yTvOGAQW2xXNoZnDc9Id5Kyww1GcJdMZwGYxrdsLWPR6ZN1L0I2dzmabsTXO09Rv4tnunJjDBRft >2hY1K3hm_PUSTN6TI_N9mks0GOsWICPxzSqnI4-pEnksKkC5pgnWcXkW-cgmUXE8NkjOfLQrwcvC >7i_D8ojp2oa7xFQx2rjy_Zk9cMBlEkdtQWasl18i3gGisQiVx-JZEs0Yf7szifuL_s_ifPHM6vVT >_BJUbJ2FyA&n=12; > G=v=6&data=xtVFgcgctu1BGqf0wtzJG1DJvwFYNz5jz_bWg3H8gynbz7_Afd8d_nza4i4gvwzN >mLTcmkcmqfpFhjPrvPjycFw4-_RFm6sZ0N2x4cww22ei27XqLF6uRLGucAeXJViKb_WRiucUhY7C >ddkY9zBO4v_myCC5OpOm4dutxmzavKLL3WgWtgl8s-UNQRWvsNZtcL0QRw4ZsOK1iI7vt9EGQ7vi >f1l34w0DuGXZ5bLmyFE6-N2tFCThpXCTPWj7qoyPaZSkid65HDr5Bi0XcvZK_Vw-XrU9f_JnVopY >6GwJlxVWA3dW&n=15; > G=v=6&data=qKcoAHnGsWEIkodWNAGw2PMnSFh3uQXKFel-sXo63VMZ-9XXVBvPq1W7ZYU-tEZH >8vwIIo7fwWYMucJX6D48SLaHXXcEaS2XDpoSbT8HvXSJCzBwU7EOTZf7N3LiABIryq7-ae8YzZTp >jOl3lA7M0o60l1cmXSqeZlmsZaF72SP5qdXt5a8BsjEzA7w5QjcBvkgZU0gQN5_BDMtGweoUxjTm >VQnHzrjZb2b7CNHNtb-vv1jX8ySVM3bNP6_b7dZqiEeDdLxgcFcrz9Dw-DpGPHocZL05ZgqTukTB >Fz_t9_u0J7pAEAE2hDtI3rs&n=17; > G=v=6&data=NDjk8-Sbe7DAt3zZYH73wP34zg0fGrq4ghc54T2Qk4FafVaWWiu8-vNlo2BznYVJ >oAVaXwUdWYLKvA2qfEGdyYFhorxM74D2EA-VHOTPmwx2-1O00PLdSTrZ3C1Ft_2yKRYMihX9DZ45 >mgWpt2uSsGMbf418wCYIrrIFeOQs4gtPS6clPH7m3SnE4A9vMBCNmU8Whl7644NuPXm2KkwKpda_ >a7ZGlHo0D87TaQJZLncxez-PJzZc8fbASEO3P1oZ7hZjkE0oy87ZJuA49TDFUrVuFPpFnE78gUes >7axFOff8e1gpcy8Pdgf0NJxQMlw6nMYGnNNZIdRDBt7nYX65zTvnNeQq3nHqh0wtRBYXNCH0HukJ >&n=19; > G=v=6&data=HbvhLY6Us31GwO8g8LFGZMVmsWgCF3lhIyTOzZL8K5TMwOI-JBMQ2085GgOxgliy >wItKwCZWDyVYT9Hbng-wHuoNd2FqjLw5i4ucRg-SlaJ0rsLYAWHrutb_h0mSGfEEnLkzOwKU4BEf >siZ7Aw6iENi2R6zOgExX1bXNmnTDHCusn6xJKZM_PaMZ4nnbJUA9PTDW0mC2A5ZUwBBxFoPZ_DLq >nw4eiAs72xnEUtlnamVHzrm-rplYFboNgQHvAWsIBbM
Re: kde and debian packages
Please remove the [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: from this message when you reply; this discussion does not belong there. Move it to debian-kde. On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 11:06:59PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: > Which is, although I respect Chris' and everybody who's working on > KDE3*.deb's, what I'm criticizing. > > Atm. it's catherdral style. Nobody knows what's going on. Deb's being > built somewhere in the dark with occassional "it will be soon" flamewars. > > More eyes -> shallower bugs. > > Of course "everybody" *should* be focusing on woody. > > OK, enough ranting, I'm not moving a finger for KDE3 so I'm shutting up > for a while again - I could go ahead and build my own *.debs. Aren't you being cabalistic by not making and releasing debs yourself! Cathedral stylez!! Bring on the b4z44r y0! Maybe you're unaware that Chris's final exams are in 2 weeks. Whatever the case, I suggest you check kdebase out of CVS and help him by building the debs yourself. I look forward to either a retraction of this email from you, or your kdebase debs. Scant regards, Daniel (who is no longer actively involved in KDE3 packaging) -- Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> KDE: It's the new black! http://www.kde.org Kopete (multi-protocol IM client) Developer http://www.kdedevelopers.net/kopete pgpZ6ttzwqxAb.pgp Description: PGP signature
