Re: Override default SDDM for Stretch release

[Aurélien COUDERC]

Le samedi 19 novembre 2016, 12:47:59 CET Alf Gaida a écrit :
> 
> Am 18.11.2016 um 14:01 schrieb Maximiliano Curia:
> > ¡Hola Aurélien!
> >
> > I'm Ccing Alf Gaida and Matthias Klumpp as both are interested in sddm 
> > and I would like to know their points of view about this.
> >
> > El 2016-11-18 a las 00:08 +0100, Aurélien COUDERC escribió:
> >> I’m working on implementing the Soft Waves theme selected for 
> >> Stretch. The wallpaper setting for new user is done and I also have 
> >> an SDDM theme ready, shipped in desktop-base 9.0.0~exp1. This SDDM 
> >> theme is simply a copy of Breeze’s Main.qml overriding the wallpaper, 
> >> and it uses the Breeze SDDM themes components as is (see attached 
> >> screenshot).
> >
> > Nice.

Hi Alf and all.

> IMHO a default theme for debian should be based on maui  - or better 
> elarun - we have done this for siduction - nothing against the breeze 
> theme, but it has to much dependencies on KF5/KDE - and this is exactly 
> the opposite of what SDDM means "Simple Desktop Display Manager". 

OK, but I would find it too bad if we don’t default to a breeze-like theme for 
people using Plasma 5. They’ll have the KF5/KDE dependencies installed already 
and the breeze theme is more full-featured and consistent with the rest of the 
Plasma’s design.
Besides by the look of it it seems to be getting much more attention than the 
other themes.

It’s trivial to change the background of maui/elarun since they both read the 
background file name from their theme.conf config file. Just replace the 
provided background with 
/usr/share/desktop-base/active-theme/login/background.svg.

What I can’t really make out is how to organize packages and dependencies to 
make it work if we want a Debian-themed breeze for Plasma 5 and Debian-themed 
something else for the other setups. 

Could sddm source package build packages like sddm-theme-debian-{maui,elarun} 
with the updated theme.conf and these would depend on desktop-base for the 
actual background image/svg ?
Then could the sddm package come with the sddm.conf pointing to a theme handled 
with alternatives, and the sddm-theme-* packages create the alternatives ?
And then the DE could depend on their preferred sddm-theme-(debian)-* ?

Also I realize my current debian-breeze work has to go out of desktop-base 
since it runtime depends on kf5/plasma components and desktop-base cannot 
depend on these for obvious reasons. :-)
Could it be patched into plasma-workspace and be shipped as a 
sddm-theme-debian-breeze with a depends: sddm-theme-breeze, desktop-base ?

> Another thing about breeze or maui - i really don't like the idea of 
> displaying all users with name and (if set) picture per default. One 
> could call me old fashioned, but i prefer the old way of login: type 
> your name and password to login - if a user change it later it's ok, but 
> displaying all users on the system should not be default.

For that I’ll strongly disagree (and maybe call you old fashioned ;-).
As much as I can understand/share your preference and even think it’s going to 
be the choice for enterprise/organization deployments, I would say it’s not a 
good default.

Many recent systems and DM show the users list by default (Gnome/GDM and 
Ubuntu/lightdm come to my mind), and I feel it’s a safe bet of what users can 
expect for a default setup.
Users not wanting to see the list of users at login will certainly know where 
to look to change the login theme.
 
> Regarding the theme setting: Let the theme provide a valid minimal 
> sddm.conf and recommend sddm should do the trick.

Not so easy, see above.


Cheers,
--Aurélien

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Re: KDE Frameworks 5.28.0

[Thom Castermans]

2016-11-20 10:45 GMT+01:00 Andrey Rahmatullin :

> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:28:29AM +0100, Luc Castermans wrote:
> > > > > Just to let you know ´ aptitude -t sid safe-upgrade´  resulted in
> KDE
> > > > > Frameworks 5.28.0
> > > > >
> > > > > and other stuf.  All works nicely. Thanks !!
> > > > "Safe-upgrade?" First time I have heard of this. Next time, try it
> this way!
> > > It's the same as `apt upgrade`.
> > in contrast to ¨ aptitude dist-upgrade; which will upgrade all
> No, there is `aptitude full-upgrade` which is the same as `apt
> dist-upgrade`.
>
Just for completeness: aptitude in fact does recognize dist-upgrade. Its
man
page says the following about the full-upgrade option. "This command was
originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons, and aptitude still
recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade."

More on topic: the man page for aptitude is actually very nice and explains
what
the difference is between a safe-upgrade and a full-upgrade in some detail.

Re: KDE Frameworks 5.28.0

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:28:29AM +0100, Luc Castermans wrote:
> > > > Just to let you know ´ aptitude -t sid safe-upgrade´  resulted in KDE
> > > > Frameworks 5.28.0
> > > > 
> > > > and other stuf.  All works nicely. Thanks !!
> > > "Safe-upgrade?" First time I have heard of this. Next time, try it this 
> > > way!
> > It's the same as `apt upgrade`.
> in contrast to ¨ aptitude dist-upgrade; which will upgrade all
No, there is `aptitude full-upgrade` which is the same as `apt dist-upgrade`.

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Re: KDE Frameworks 5.28.0

[Luc Castermans]

Op 20-11-16 om 10:15 schreef Andrey Rahmatullin:

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:11:12AM +0200, David Baron wrote:

Just to let you know ´ aptitude -t sid safe-upgrade´  resulted in KDE
Frameworks 5.28.0

and other stuf.  All works nicely. Thanks !!

"Safe-upgrade?" First time I have heard of this. Next time, try it this way!

It's the same as `apt upgrade`.


in contrast to ¨ aptitude dist-upgrade; which will upgrade all

Luc

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Re: KDE Frameworks 5.28.0

[Andrey Rahmatullin]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:11:12AM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> > Just to let you know ´ aptitude -t sid safe-upgrade´  resulted in KDE
> > Frameworks 5.28.0
> > 
> > and other stuf.  All works nicely. Thanks !!
> 
> "Safe-upgrade?" First time I have heard of this. Next time, try it this way!
It's the same as `apt upgrade`.

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Re: KDE Frameworks 5.28.0

[David Baron]

On יום ראשון, 20 בנובמבר 2016 9:30:10 IST Luc Castermans wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just to let you know ´ aptitude -t sid safe-upgrade´  resulted in KDE
> Frameworks 5.28.0
> 
> and other stuf.  All works nicely. Thanks !!

"Safe-upgrade?" First time I have heard of this. Next time, try it this way!

KDE Frameworks 5.28.0

[Luc Castermans]

Hi,

Just to let you know ´ aptitude -t sid safe-upgrade´  resulted in KDE 
Frameworks 5.28.0

and other stuf.  All works nicely. Thanks !!

<>