Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
yep. For me key is that we loose a very valuable contributor and great contribution!Reasons for this are unclear to me. Why this demotion, are those who decide on this stating and communicating their reasons, better is this a group decision? Luc Op zo 23 jan. 2022 13:59 schreef Dietz Proepper : > Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2022, 01:11:44 CET schrieb Johannes Zarl-Zierl: > > > I never had any issues with Norbert. > > > > Full ACK. > > +1. And also not with Marco, as far as I remember. Which comes with little > relevance, as we did not have much contact before. > > > Let's always keep discussions civil and in good faith... > > Well, but jftr, let's not forget who started this thread and in which way. > At > the very least, citing the source of ones comments is quite basic IMNSHO. > > Kindest regards, > Dietz
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2022, 01:11:44 CET schrieb Johannes Zarl-Zierl: > > I never had any issues with Norbert. > > Full ACK. +1. And also not with Marco, as far as I remember. Which comes with little relevance, as we did not have much contact before. > Let's always keep discussions civil and in good faith... Well, but jftr, let's not forget who started this thread and in which way. At the very least, citing the source of ones comments is quite basic IMNSHO. Kindest regards, Dietz signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
fallback Yes/No? Future will tell. If KDE team could use OBS infrastructure which Norbert build would that help the KDE team? Op za 22 jan. 2022 13:53 schreef piorunz : > On 21/01/2022 06:47, Aurélien COUDERC wrote: > > > > > > Le 20 janvier 2022 23:09:30 GMT+01:00, piorunz a > écrit : > >> On 20/01/2022 18:17, Marco Valli wrote: > by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14 > >>> > >>> Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde > team. > >>> Regards > >>> > >> Who is this clown again? > > > > The Debian KDE team is a (small) handful of people maintaining both the > Qt stack and the ~500 frameworks/plasma/apps packages on their free time. > > > > Lately Norbert was doing most of the later. > > > > More contributors are really welcome ! If you've always wanted to become > a Debian contributor and are interested in the KDE stack, now is a perfect > time. > > > > Join us on IRC, the handful is a friendly bunch of people. > > > > > > Best, > > -- > > Aurélien > > > > I didn't wanted to angry anyone. Apologies. But he kinda asked for it: > > "I guess that with me not taking action, frameworks, gears, and plasma > will fall back over time " > > Really? > > -- > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > ⠈⠳⣄ > >
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
On 21/01/2022 06:47, Aurélien COUDERC wrote: Le 20 janvier 2022 23:09:30 GMT+01:00, piorunz a écrit : On 20/01/2022 18:17, Marco Valli wrote: by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14 Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde team. Regards Who is this clown again? The Debian KDE team is a (small) handful of people maintaining both the Qt stack and the ~500 frameworks/plasma/apps packages on their free time. Lately Norbert was doing most of the later. More contributors are really welcome ! If you've always wanted to become a Debian contributor and are interested in the KDE stack, now is a perfect time. Join us on IRC, the handful is a friendly bunch of people. Best, -- Aurélien I didn't wanted to angry anyone. Apologies. But he kinda asked for it: "I guess that with me not taking action, frameworks, gears, and plasma will fall back over time " Really? -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 09:36:37 +0100 Dietz Proepper wrote: Hello Dietz, >I have been using Debian since 1998, but start wondering whether it >really makes sense to support a band of politicans much further. All distros have their politics. What matters is whether you can agree with, or at the very least, not be massively hacked off by them. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent" / _)rad "Is it only me that has a working delete key?" What will you do when the gas taps turn? The Gasman Cometh - Crass pgpnK1aVWmoPQ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2022, 19:17:23 CET schrieb Marco Valli:
> > by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14
> >
> > After having been (again) demoted (blah)
> > based on flimsy arguments, I have been forced to rethink the level
> > of contribution I want to do for Debian. Blah blah blah blah
> > After about 20 years in Debian, blah blah blah
> > blah
> > KDE/Plasma, frameworks, Gears, and related packages:
>
> Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde team.
> Regards
The way you are citing Norbert's blog post[1] ('"his" packages', "blah blah",
references to the source) sounds a little funny. And I'd expect such more from
a 10 year old that from an adult person.
Even more, given the fact that Norbert was the guy who seemingly was the main
driving force for converting debian-kde from an unstable, outdated mess to
something which is a pleasure to use around two years ago, I am even more
surprised.
My impression is, that some people with very, very tiny and limited minds
drive off those who do not lament on every bullshit and just get stuff done.
This is a rather sad developement for Debian.
I have been using Debian since 1998, but start wondering whether it really
makes sense to support a band of politicans much further.
Kindest regards,
Dietz
[1] https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/01/future-of-my-packages-in-debian/
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Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
Le 20 janvier 2022 23:09:30 GMT+01:00, piorunz a écrit : >On 20/01/2022 18:17, Marco Valli wrote: >>> by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14 >> >> Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde team. >> Regards >> >Who is this clown again? The Debian KDE team is a (small) handful of people maintaining both the Qt stack and the ~500 frameworks/plasma/apps packages on their free time. Lately Norbert was doing most of the later. More contributors are really welcome ! If you've always wanted to become a Debian contributor and are interested in the KDE stack, now is a perfect time. Join us on IRC, the handful is a friendly bunch of people. Best, -- Aurélien
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
I fully agree, Johannes and Martin Op vr 21 jan. 2022 01:36 schreef Johannes Zarl-Zierl : > Hi, > > > > Who is this clown again? > > > > I respect Norbert for the work he did on Plasma/KF/Application packages. > > > > I do not think it is fair to speak of him (or anyone else) as clown. > > > > From what I have perceived he contributed a lot to make timely releases > > of packages happen. > > > > I don't know what is going on here… what this demotion thing about, so I > > do not comment directly on it. > > > > I never had any issues with Norbert. > > Full ACK. > > Let's always keep discussions civil and in good faith... > > Gentle regards, > Johannes > > > > > > >
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
Hi, > > Who is this clown again? > > I respect Norbert for the work he did on Plasma/KF/Application packages. > > I do not think it is fair to speak of him (or anyone else) as clown. > > From what I have perceived he contributed a lot to make timely releases > of packages happen. > > I don't know what is going on here… what this demotion thing about, so I > do not comment directly on it. > > I never had any issues with Norbert. Full ACK. Let's always keep discussions civil and in good faith... Gentle regards, Johannes
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
Hi. piorunz - 20.01.22, 23:09:30 CET: > On 20/01/2022 18:17, Marco Valli wrote: > >> by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14 > >> > >> After having been (again) demoted (blah) > >> based on flimsy arguments, I have been forced to rethink the level > >> of contribution I want to do for Debian. Blah blah blah blah > >> After about 20 years in Debian, blah blah blah > >> blah > >> KDE/Plasma, frameworks, Gears, and related packages: > >> blah > >> All these packages are group maintained, so there is not much to > >> worry about. > >> Furthermore, a few new faces have joined the team and > >> are actively working on the packages, although mostly on Qt6. I > >> guess > >> that with me not taking action, frameworks, gears, and plasma > >> will fall back over time > > > > Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde > > team. Regards > > Who is this clown again? I respect Norbert for the work he did on Plasma/KF/Application packages. I do not think it is fair to speak of him (or anyone else) as clown. From what I have perceived he contributed a lot to make timely releases of packages happen. I don't know what is going on here… what this demotion thing about, so I do not comment directly on it. I never had any issues with Norbert. Generally speaking more and more I have the impression that in Debian political arguments became more important than actually getting work done in the recent years. I bet that is part of the reason why I switched to Devuan for all my private systems. Ciao, -- Martin
Re: Future of "his" packages in Debian
On 20/01/2022 18:17, Marco Valli wrote: by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14 After having been (again) demoted (blah) based on flimsy arguments, I have been forced to rethink the level of contribution I want to do for Debian. Blah blah blah blah After about 20 years in Debian, blah blah blah blah KDE/Plasma, frameworks, Gears, and related packages: blah All these packages are group maintained, so there is not much to worry about. Furthermore, a few new faces have joined the team and are actively working on the packages, although mostly on Qt6. I guess that with me not taking action, frameworks, gears, and plasma will fall back over time Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde team. Regards Who is this clown again? -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Future of "his" packages in Debian
> by Norbert Preining · 2022/01/14 > After having been (again) demoted (blah) > based on flimsy arguments, I have been forced to rethink the level > of contribution I want to do for Debian. Blah blah blah blah > After about 20 years in Debian, blah blah blah > blah > KDE/Plasma, frameworks, Gears, and related packages: > blah > All these packages are group maintained, so there is not much to > worry about. > Furthermore, a few new faces have joined the team and > are actively working on the packages, although mostly on Qt6. I guess > that with me not taking action, frameworks, gears, and plasma > will fall back over time Admittedly, this guy doesn't have much faith in the the Debian/Kde team. Regards -- Marco Valli
