Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data giovedì 21 maggio 2020 13:18:10 CEST, Sandro Knauß ha scritto: > This affects: ---snip--- > kgpg I can survive to this. best regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hi, > > kgpg must depend on libkf5akonadicontact5, libkf5akonadicore5, > > libkf5contacts5 20.04 (NOT 19.08). > > Well, yes, for your use case. But for all unstable users it must depend > on 19.08. And since kgpg is in unstable… Yes kdepim is ready for brave users to test, but everything outside kdepim, that depends on KDEPIM packages, needs recompilation and can't be installed at the same time! This affects: digikam kgpg kio-gdrive kjots kmymoney kraft zanshin That's why I need to wait for a transition [960534]. After this transition gets accepted, I can upload Frameworks and KDEPIM to unstable. [960534] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=960534 > An option would be to have an kgpg in experimental which depends on > 20.04. Possible. But you normally don't do this kind of uploads, as you request binary rebuilds form within a transition. Keep in mind experimental is not a Debian suite, it is only a place to prepare uploads to unstable. You can rebuilt packages locally (if you know how to get rid of them later): sbuild -d experimental --add-depends="libkf5akonadi-dev (>=4:20.04.0~)" --no- source --no-source-only-changes --append-to-version=+b1~ --extra-repository "deb http://debian/ experimental main" --build-dep-resolver aspcud kgpg hefee signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hi Marco, Marco Valli - 20.05.20, 15:51:38 CEST: > In data mercoledì 20 maggio 2020 15:30:10 CEST, Luc Castermans ha > > scritto: > > I found at least libkf5akonadicontact5 in experimental. You migh > > consider using "-t experimental" as command. > > No matter. > > root@debian:~# apt -t experimental install kgpg > ---snip--- > I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: > kgpg : Dipende: libkf5akonadicontact5-19.08 > Dipende: libkf5akonadicore5-19.08 > Dipende: libkf5contacts5-19.08 > ---snip--- > > kgpg must depend on libkf5akonadicontact5, libkf5akonadicore5, > libkf5contacts5 20.04 (NOT 19.08). Well, yes, for your use case. But for all unstable users it must depend on 19.08. And since kgpg is in unstable… An option would be to have an kgpg in experimental which depends on 20.04. Best, -- Martin
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data mercoledì 20 maggio 2020 15:30:10 CEST, Luc Castermans ha scritto: > I found at least libkf5akonadicontact5 in experimental. You migh > consider using "-t experimental" as command. No matter. root@debian:~# apt -t experimental install kgpg ---snip--- I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: kgpg : Dipende: libkf5akonadicontact5-19.08 Dipende: libkf5akonadicore5-19.08 Dipende: libkf5contacts5-19.08 ---snip--- kgpg must depend on libkf5akonadicontact5, libkf5akonadicore5, libkf5contacts5 20.04 (NOT 19.08). regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hi Marco I found at least libkf5akonadicontact5 in experimental. You migh consider using "-t experimental" as command. Luc Op wo 20 mei 2020 om 13:07 schreef Marco Valli : > In data mercoledì 6 maggio 2020 19:41:49 CEST, Sandro Knauß ha scritto: > > But it will become an issue soon, when the first package uses these > > new versions and apt needs to update. > > I just upgraded kdepim from experimental - but this time i had to use > aptitude, not apt. > > Everithing works fine (do you read me?) but kgpg is no more installable. > > root@debian:~# apt -t unstable install kgpg > ---snip--- > I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: > kgpg : Dipende: libkf5akonadicontact5-19.08 > Dipende: libkf5akonadicore5-19.08 > Dipende: libkf5contacts5-19.08 > E: Impossibile correggere i problemi, ci sono pacchetti danneggiati > bloccati. > > Nice work, Sandro, thanks. > > Best regards > > -- > Marco Valli > > > -- Luc Castermans mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data mercoledì 6 maggio 2020 19:41:49 CEST, Sandro Knauß ha scritto: > But it will become an issue soon, when the first package uses these > new versions and apt needs to update. I just upgraded kdepim from experimental - but this time i had to use aptitude, not apt. Everithing works fine (do you read me?) but kgpg is no more installable. root@debian:~# apt -t unstable install kgpg ---snip--- I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: kgpg : Dipende: libkf5akonadicontact5-19.08 Dipende: libkf5akonadicore5-19.08 Dipende: libkf5contacts5-19.08 E: Impossibile correggere i problemi, ci sono pacchetti danneggiati bloccati. Nice work, Sandro, thanks. Best regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Dear Marco, dear Sandro, dear community, Marco Valli - 06.05.20, 20:36:32 CEST: > In data mercoledì 6 maggio 2020 19:41:49 CEST, Sandro Knauß ha scritto: > > But it will become an issue soon, when the first package uses these > > new versions and apt needs to update. > > At that point I will wait, I use Sid, after all ;-) I was reluctant as I use KDEPIM, especially KMail, and also KMyMoney regularly. But in the end I was inspired by your boldness. I know I get to keep the pieces in case something breaks. But I am also confident that it need be I can just downgrade it. It would not be the first dance with apt / aptitude in my life. That said, I just logged in and did not notice anything so far. I know there are a lot of improvements and polishing. I bet it will take some time to notice it all. I read Nate Graham's blog but I forgot a lot of the changes he mentioned already again. Thanks a lot, Sandro, for this work! And thank you Marco for testing. Best, -- Martin
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
I just did, no issues seen. thanks, Luc Op 06-05-2020 om 20:40 schreef Marco Valli: In data martedì 5 maggio 2020 11:37:05 CEST, Sedat Dilek ha scritto: How is the state of the packages in experimental? Install kde framework now, before it becomes an issue :-) regards -- m.vr.gr. Luc Castermans mailto:luc.casterm...@gmail.com
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data martedì 5 maggio 2020 11:37:05 CEST, Sedat Dilek ha scritto: > How is the state of the packages in experimental? Install kde framework now, before it becomes an issue :-) regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data mercoledì 6 maggio 2020 19:41:49 CEST, Sandro Knauß ha scritto: > But it will become an issue soon, when the first package uses these > new versions and apt needs to update. At that point I will wait, I use Sid, after all ;-) regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hey, > Are you sure? yes I am ;) Ahh this super cow power from apt, I forgotten that - yes it is smart enough and finds a solution by not upgrading kcalcore and kcontacts. kcalcore and kcontacts are the interesting ones as those are moved to Frameworks and trigger stuff to remove. So I expect that libkf5contacts5 and libkf5calendarcore5abi2 are still 19.08.3 on your system and not 5.69.0. Okay it works, because nothing depending on those libraries was not updated yet. But it will become an issue soon, when the first package uses these new versions and apt needs to update. hefee signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data martedì 5 maggio 2020 16:38:58 CEST, Sandro Knauß ha scritto: > But it is a known fact, that it > will uninstall kmymoney Are you sure? I don't use it, but: root@debian:~# apt install --no-install-recommends kmymoney ---snip--- I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI saranno installati: kmymoney kmymoney-common libalkimia5-7 libaqbanking-data libaqbanking44 libgwengui-qt5-79 libgwenhywfar-data libgwenhywfar79 libkchart2 libkf5webkit5 libofx7 libosp5 libsqlcipher0 0 aggiornati, 13 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati. È necessario scaricare 17,9 MB di archivi. Dopo quest'operazione, verranno occupati 55,9 MB di spazio su disco. Continuare? [S/n] > and complete kdepim and some other packages too Kdepim? Are you sure? root@debian:~# dpkg -l | grep plasma-framework ii plasma-framework5.69.0-1 amd64Plasma Runtime components root@debian:~# dpkg -l | grep kmail ii kmail 4:19.08.3-1 amd64 full featured graphical email client regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hey, > Install ONLY kde framework from experimental, NOT qt 5.14. > It works flawlessy As uploader of Frameworks I want to express: It is nice to know, that works for you flawlessly, that is a nice datapoint. But it is a known fact, that it will uninstall kmymoney and complete kdepim and some other packages too, so take care about what will be removed. And keep in mind, I do not sent a mail to this list that people should test the version on experimental on purpose, because I first wanted to have a look if things works for my computer before I call it ready for a bigger test. When I will sent such an email, I make sure that I get mails complaining about something is broken at a time, when I have capacities and the will to process them. Sure - feel free to test Frameworks from experimental now and send mails, that something is broken, but do not expect any ETA from anyone to fix it. But you can fix the found issues yourself on salsa an provide a merge request ;) And I would suggest, that you only do this experiment, if know how to downgrade the packages to sid just in case. hefee signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data martedì 5 maggio 2020 11:37:05 CEST, Sedat Dilek ha scritto: > It looks like KDE/Frameworks will be upgraded to version 5.69.0 and QT > to version 5.14.2. Install ONLY kde framework from experimental, NOT qt 5.14. It works flawlessy -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hi Sandro, thanks to you and the Debian/KDE team for all the good work. I am currently using KDE/Plasma 5.17.5, KDE/Frameworks 5.62.0 and QT 5.12.5 on Debian/testing AMD64. How is the state of the packages in experimental? What are your upgrade suggestions if someone wants to help testing - is an environment like Debian/sid recommended? Is some important stuff missing? Does some KDE app need to be adapted? It looks like KDE/Frameworks will be upgraded to version 5.69.0 and QT to version 5.14.2. What is with KDE/Plasma and KDE/Apps stuff? Looks like some stuff will be removed on a simulated upgrade. Thanks in advance for answering my questions. Regards, - Sedat -
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hey, > If i were one of the guys who deal with kde in debian i would be very > offended by the situation that has arisen: some debian users who use > Preining's repositories seem to want to suggest that after all it > doesn't take much effort to package all kde for Debian since > Preining did it in a few days... well updating all packages by a script - i can do that too in a day, too and it is actually the starting point when I update Frameworks and kdepim. But this you don't call a clean package there are dozens of warnings, errors, infos from debian tools, that you should improve your package and cleanup things. So in the end I spent the last two weeks cleaning up the frameworks packages. Also pino made additional cleanups after I uploaded them to experimental. So you see there is still room to cleanup. Sure I don't need to cleanup the package, because they built, that is often the approach KDE Neon is taken (And I use their repositories from time to time, so see how they had solved and issue I'm facing). - but we will have more work later and Kubuntu and Neon use our cleanups also in their packages, so it helps everyone. And properly the next uploads will be a lot faster, because now they are clean, so dust needs a while to settle again ;) But on the team page their is also upload a new security fix to stable dealing with other changes in sid - there is not only kde, so we need to create and take part in transitions eg. currently upcoming: gcc 9 -> gcc 10, that needs also updates on our side. Maybe you get a better impression about the work that was done, if you look at one changelog for 5.69: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/kde/kio/-/blob/experimental/debian/ changelog And maxy stepped back from care about Frameworks so others had to take over his work. It took also quite some time to actually realizing it, that maxy can't do the work anymore and other need to stand up. And we all have enough work already in the team. So it took a way longer till others could start updating the packages again. Every merge request is welcomed and also if people want to join the team. Please don't forget, that we have a life outside computers and are not 20/7 available. hefee signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data martedì 28 aprile 2020 00:19:26 CEST, Ihor Antonov ha scritto: > Despite there are people who behave quite aggressively when Norbert's > name is invoked I think the issue you've brought up is quite real. > Nobody should be offended, but instead should be worried about the > fact that we observe split of the community here. Technical work has > been done, but it not included into Debian. I personally feel that > this is a bad situation and must not be ignored. If i were one of the guys who deal with kde in debian i would be very offended by the situation that has arisen: some debian users who use Preining's repositories seem to want to suggest that after all it doesn't take much effort to package all kde for Debian since Preining did it in a few days... Fortunately Pino Toscano is less touchy than me regards -- Marco Valli
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Le 27.04.2020 23:43, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : Rainer Dorsch - 27.04.20, 23:07:02 CEST: just wondering, if anybody tried Norbert's repo for sid and bullseye Of course I would love to see current Plasma and especially KF packaged, Guys, I'm writing from KDE Neon which I'm trying for 3 months now. If all you want is up to date KDE packages, then you should have a look. But... understandably, it is built upon a stable base : Ubuntu LTS. So, you will not have latest softwares for anything but KDE. You can't have the best of both worlds. And frankly, KDE is in a polishing phase, there is no big changes and big benefits to update. Rather, there is lot of small changes that happens in a lot of parts that nobody use 24 hour a day. So, I've worked with KDE Neon for three months. I didn't change anything in the default KDE configuration. Coming from Sid, the desktop wasn't the big fresh air I would have expected. A bit more stable, but I guess it is because of Ubuntu LTS, not KDE. Actualy, it is a bit boring to use daily — because I like Sid : in Sid there is often something to do, to check, to discover, up to date softwares in most parts, very good package descriptions (opposite to nothing at all in Ubuntu LTS), a lot of options to try, very good READMEs from debian teams, KDE packages to debug, etc. Sid is fun and I like to report bugs. And also there is no miracles in KDE Neon : annoying KDE bugs are still here. Don't expect too much in latest KDE packages. There is more changes in underlying softwares, stay in Sid if you want the latest. --- Librement, Xavier Brochard xav...@alternatif.org La liberté est à l'homme ce que les ailes sont à l'oiseau (Jean-Pierre Rosnay)
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data martedì 28 aprile 2020 00:19:26 CEST, Ihor Antonov ha scritto: > I have started the work to compare Ubuntu's and Norbert's debdiffs, and in > the > end I plan to submit PRs to to kde repositories in Salsa. Hopefully there > will > be someone to review and accept it as I am new to Debian packaging. One note about submitting work: while we certainly are fine with MRs, please consider coordinating with us in our development list, which is pkg-kde-talk (see [1]), especially when planning many changes. This way it is easier to know whether anyone is working on that already, and possibly review part of the changes ahead instead of having to review (and ask you to resend/update) lots of MRs. [1] https://qt-kde-team.pages.debian.net/qtkde.html Thanks, -- Pino Toscano signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
On Monday, 27 April 2020 14:43:25 PDT Martin Steigerwald wrote: Hi Rainer. > Hi Rainer. > > Rainer Dorsch - 27.04.20, 23:07:02 CEST: > > just wondering, if anybody tried Norbert's repo for sid and bullseye > > with > > > > - KDE frameworks, currently version 5.69 > > - Plasma packages, currently 5.18.4.1 > > - KDE Apps, currently 20.04 > > > > https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/04/kde-apps-20-04-for-debian/ I tried it and some other folks from #debiain-qt-kde channel reported success as well.But I live in Sid and I like it dangerous. (former Archlinux user here) so my tolerance level for bugs and problems is quite high. > I'd love that Debian Qt/KDE team and Norbert would work together – > especially given that it is a small team –, but as far as I got there is > some reason that they don't. I feel like offering an alternative > repository, instead of first contacting the team was not all that > helpful. I also feel like not commenting on this any further as I got > the impression it is a somewhat sensitive issue given that as far as I > got there has been a quite strong reaction to his offer to help. > (Now I hope I did not offend anyone by what I wrote. In case I did, > please understand that I tried carefully not do and accept my > apologies.) Despite there are people who behave quite aggressively when Norbert's name is invoked I think the issue you've brought up is quite real. Nobody should be offended, but instead should be worried about the fact that we observe split of the community here. Technical work has been done, but it not included into Debian. I personally feel that this is a bad situation and must not be ignored. I have started the work to compare Ubuntu's and Norbert's debdiffs, and in the end I plan to submit PRs to to kde repositories in Salsa. Hopefully there will be someone to review and accept it as I am new to Debian packaging. 1 commit is better than 1000 words. --- Ihor Antonov
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hi Rainer. Hi Rainer. Rainer Dorsch - 27.04.20, 23:07:02 CEST: > just wondering, if anybody tried Norbert's repo for sid and bullseye > with > > - KDE frameworks, currently version 5.69 > - Plasma packages, currently 5.18.4.1 > - KDE Apps, currently 20.04 > > https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/04/kde-apps-20-04-for-debian/ > > I think, any feedback would be useful. I avoid third party repositories usually to avoid compatibility issues. I still remember quite some upgrade and switch between each other issues related those extra Debian Multimedia repository packages I used a long time ago. I'd love that Debian Qt/KDE team and Norbert would work together – especially given that it is a small team –, but as far as I got there is some reason that they don't. I feel like offering an alternative repository, instead of first contacting the team was not all that helpful. I also feel like not commenting on this any further as I got the impression it is a somewhat sensitive issue given that as far as I got there has been a quite strong reaction to his offer to help. I am grateful for Pino packaging 20.04 KDE application packages. Thanks, Pino! Of course I would love to see current Plasma and especially KF packaged, but as I am still not feeling like offering help myself, I make no demand either. It is all volunteer work after all. (Now I hope I did not offend anyone by what I wrote. In case I did, please understand that I tried carefully not do and accept my apologies.) Best, -- Martin
Re: KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
In data lunedì 27 aprile 2020 23:07:02 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha scritto: > just wondering, if anybody tried Norbert's repo for sid and bullseye > with If i wanted to break my Debian i would use Ubuntu https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian -- Marco Valli
KDE Apps 20.04 (and Plasma) for Debian
Hi, just wondering, if anybody tried Norbert's repo for sid and bullseye with - KDE frameworks, currently version 5.69 - Plasma packages, currently 5.18.4.1 - KDE Apps, currently 20.04 https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/04/kde-apps-20-04-for-debian/ I think, any feedback would be useful. Thanks Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/
