Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Perich Barber: If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. What I wonder is if you would have the b*lls to be so rude and bad mannered if you were physically face to face with users... Sorry, but the only valid answer to your mail (if I were a rude guy) would be, go, buy Windoze ;-). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201004021953.53862.di...@rotfl.franken.de
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:25:16PM +0300, Modestas Vainius wrote: On sekmadienis 28 Kovas 2010 21:40:40 Marc Haber wrote: KDE SC 4.4.2 packages have been uploaded to the repository at http://qt- kde.debian.net/. KDE SC 4.4.1 users, who set up /etc/apt/preferences properly, should be able to upgrade to it with usual dist-upgrade process. For those, who didn't, it's about time to do it. Are there docs about what you consider properly? /etc/apt/preferences snippet on http://qt-kde.debian.net/ Are you talking about 4.4.2 release, or 4.4.2rc1? $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/qt-kde-experimental.list deb http://qt-kde.debian.net/debian experimental-snapshots main [12/511...@swivel:~$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/qt-kde-experimental Package: * Pin: release o=qt-kde,a=experimental-snapshots Pin-Priority: 501 [13/512...@swivel:~$ apt-cache policy konsole konsole: Installed: 4:4.3.4-1 Candidate: 4:4.4.2-0rc1 Version table: 4:4.4.2-0rc1 0 501 http://qt-kde.debian.net experimental-snapshots/main Packages *** 4:4.3.4-1 0 500 http://debian.debian.zugschlus.de sid/main Packages -10 http://debian.debian.zugschlus.de squeeze/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 0 -10 http://debian.debian.zugschlus.de lenny/main Packages Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100331075335.ga12...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Hello, On trečiadienis 31 Kovas 2010 10:53:35 Marc Haber wrote: /etc/apt/preferences snippet on http://qt-kde.debian.net/ Are you talking about 4.4.2 release, or 4.4.2rc1? $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/qt-kde-experimental.list deb http://qt-kde.debian.net/debian experimental-snapshots main [12/511...@swivel:~$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/qt-kde-experimental Package: * Pin: release o=qt-kde,a=experimental-snapshots Pin-Priority: 501 [13/512...@swivel:~$ apt-cache policy konsole konsole: Installed: 4:4.3.4-1 Candidate: 4:4.4.2-0rc1 Version table: 4:4.4.2-0rc1 0 501 http://qt-kde.debian.net experimental-snapshots/main Packages *** 4:4.3.4-1 0 500 http://debian.debian.zugschlus.de sid/main Packages -10 http://debian.debian.zugschlus.de squeeze/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 0 -10 http://debian.debian.zugschlus.de lenny/main Packages I really don't get the question. -0rcX is debian revision, not upstream revision. revision is -0rcX in order to be lower than the future official -1. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:27:53AM +0300, Modestas Vainius wrote: I really don't get the question. -0rcX is debian revision, not upstream revision. revision is -0rcX in order to be lower than the future official -1. You are correct. Next time I'll try to actually wake up before asking stupid things. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100331083129.ge12...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Hello, On pirmadienis 29 Kovas 2010 01:15:17 Martin Steigerwald wrote: I don't know for sure, but I don't think that Modestas and the other debian developers are using release source tarballs at all for KDE. We are using release tarballs unless version name matches /svn/. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Just a short thank you to you packagers for providing this awesome service. Most of us users probably don't see that uploads to unstable are only waiting because the release team is keeping you from proceeding. And that you are basically waiting as desperately as us plain users. While I recall Modestas mentioning that lately, it probably needs a bit of understanding of Debian internals to appreciate you working around the current limitations. -Christoph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003291945.21129.christoph.burg...@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Am Montag 29 März 2010 schrieb Modestas Vainius: Hello, On pirmadienis 29 Kovas 2010 01:15:17 Martin Steigerwald wrote: I don't know for sure, but I don't think that Modestas and the other debian developers are using release source tarballs at all for KDE. We are using release tarballs unless version name matches /svn/. Okay, point taken. I thought you were just checking out a release tag for release versions. Many thanks to you and the other KDE/Qt debian developers for providing such high quality packages. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On 2010-03-29 Christoph Burgmer wrote: Just a short thank you to you packagers for providing this awesome service. Most of us users probably don't see that uploads to unstable are only waiting because the release team is keeping you from proceeding. And that you are basically waiting as desperately as us plain users. While I recall Modestas mentioning that lately, it probably needs a bit of understanding of Debian internals to appreciate you working around the current limitations. -Christoph Hear hear! Thanks a lot for the all the great work that you do for us. Diederik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003292205.07953.didi.deb...@cknow.org
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. What I wonder is if you would have the b*lls to be so rude and bad mannered if you were physically face to face with users... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/538457.28343...@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On Sunday 28 March 2010 9:55:48 am Perich Barber wrote: If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. What I wonder is if you would have the b*lls to be so rude and bad mannered if you were physically face to face with users... I thought that was a little odd as well, but I didn't consider it to be rude or *badly* mannered. I think that the KDE packagers have done a great job so far, and honestly I think that they do more than is needed with regards to posting on this list. Anyways, balls. MM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003281114.08946.anonymous.jon...@gmail.com
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Hello, On sekmadienis 28 Kovas 2010 18:55:48 Perich Barber wrote: If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. What I wonder is if you would have the b*lls to be so rude and bad mannered if you were physically face to face with users... Believe me or not, there are users who come to KDE forums, mailing lists or irc channels (non-debian related) and *complain* (yes, literally) that packages were released before official announcement and how this could be, are they real etc etc. That statement was targeted at that group and I was really tired to come up with better wording. Indeed, as I read it now, it may sound a bit rude, so sorry if it offended you. I hope it is easier to understand when you know the context. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Am Sonntag, 28. März 2010 17:55:48 schrieb Perich Barber: If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. What I wonder is if you would have the b*lls to be so rude and bad mannered if you were physically face to face with users... I'd be happy if you would be a bit nicer towards the people who a responsible for packaging kde. They do a great job and I'd prefer not to piss them off. I felt the sentence to be a bit odd, too, but not rude in any way. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Dominik signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:54:43AM +0200, Modestas Vainius wrote: KDE SC 4.4.2 packages have been uploaded to the repository at http://qt- kde.debian.net/. KDE SC 4.4.1 users, who set up /etc/apt/preferences properly, should be able to upgrade to it with usual dist-upgrade process. For those, who didn't, it's about time to do it. Are there docs about what you consider properly? Will upgrades from current unstable to the 4.4.2 from qt-kde.debian.net and on to the 4.4.x which will be in unstable eventually be supported? Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100328184040.gb30...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On 28/03/2010 18:14, Matthew Moore wrote: On Sunday 28 March 2010 9:55:48 am Perich Barber wrote: [Modestas wrote:] If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. What I wonder is if you would have the b*lls to be so rude and bad mannered if you were physically face to face with users... I thought that was a little odd as well, but I didn't consider it to be rude or *badly* mannered. I didn't think it was rude /or/ bad-mannered either. I figured it was simply a commentary on how the author (Modestas) half expected a deluge of knee-jerk queries from list-members asking how on earth Debian packages can be available before the source has even been released by kde.org . and I expect the answer to that is *either* that the Debian devs work so closely with the KDE devs that they get privileged early access, *or* that the Debian devs simply used their wit and cunning to deduce when the source was effectively frozen and could therefore be read from the repository without fear of missing something thus enabling debian-...@l.d.o members to get fast access to usable packages of new software releases (a thing that Debian users are often noted for complaining about not getting) and I expect that the Debian KDE devs would really rather not have to answer a million questions about this, cos they have better things to do ... so Modestas simply pointed out that folks could always just not install the packages if they're worried about the state of them. Yes, he was a bit brief (succinct ? enigmatic ?) about it. Now I've spent the time spelling this out, so that Modestas doesn't have to and if I'm totally wrong, he can tell me so, and I won't mind a bit, whatever language structures he uses to do so ;) That's multinational volunteer mailing lists for you. Hey ho. Nick Boyce -- I think we've been in here too long. I feel unusual. I think we should go outside. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4baf9a35.30...@glimmer.adsl24.co.uk
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Hello, On sekmadienis 28 Kovas 2010 21:40:40 Marc Haber wrote: KDE SC 4.4.2 packages have been uploaded to the repository at http://qt- kde.debian.net/. KDE SC 4.4.1 users, who set up /etc/apt/preferences properly, should be able to upgrade to it with usual dist-upgrade process. For those, who didn't, it's about time to do it. Are there docs about what you consider properly? /etc/apt/preferences snippet on http://qt-kde.debian.net/ Will upgrades from current unstable to the 4.4.2 from qt-kde.debian.net and on to the 4.4.x which will be in unstable eventually be supported? At this point, 99% yes. Packaging is 99% done (except debian/copyright review for some). -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
On Sunday 28 March 2010 13:04:37 Nick Boyce wrote: On 28/03/2010 18:14, Matthew Moore wrote: On Sunday 28 March 2010 9:55:48 am Perich Barber wrote: [Modestas wrote:] If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. I didn't think it was rude /or/ bad-mannered either. I figured it was simply a commentary on how the author (Modestas) half expected a deluge of knee-jerk queries from list-members asking how on earth Debian packages can be available before the source has even been released by kde.org . and I expect the answer to that is *either* that the Debian devs work so closely with the KDE devs that they get privileged early access, The KDE release team co-ordinates with packagers and is able to provide them access to the release tarballs a few days (rarely more than a week) before the official release announcement is made and the tarballs appear in the public download section of the KDE website. The Debian Qt/KDE team may have even more privileged access to the source, as well, but I don't know anything about that. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Am Sonntag 28 März 2010 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: On Sunday 28 March 2010 13:04:37 Nick Boyce wrote: On 28/03/2010 18:14, Matthew Moore wrote: On Sunday 28 March 2010 9:55:48 am Perich Barber wrote: [Modestas wrote:] If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. I didn't think it was rude /or/ bad-mannered either. I figured it was simply a commentary on how the author (Modestas) half expected a deluge of knee-jerk queries from list-members asking how on earth Debian packages can be available before the source has even been released by kde.org . and I expect the answer to that is *either* that the Debian devs work so closely with the KDE devs that they get privileged early access, The KDE release team co-ordinates with packagers and is able to provide them access to the release tarballs a few days (rarely more than a week) before the official release announcement is made and the tarballs appear in the public download section of the KDE website. The Debian Qt/KDE team may have even more privileged access to the source, as well, but I don't know anything about that. Everyone may check out the KDE sources at any time AFAIK. There is anonymous SVN access and the KDE projects that are hosted at gitorius are also publically available. Only write access is limited to trusted KDE developers. I don't know for sure, but I don't think that Modestas and the other debian developers are using release source tarballs at all for KDE. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
El Domingo, 28 de Marzo de 2010, Nick Boyce escribió: ... and I expect the answer to that is *either* that the Debian devs work so closely with the KDE devs that they get privileged early access, Is as simple as this: the KDE people releases the tarballs some days (I think is a week) before the announcement, but only to packagers. Not a huge deal, since the tag is public in SVN, but helps in many ways: - it gives time to catch last minute problems. - it gives time to promo team and translators to work on the announcements. - it gives time to the packagers to do their job, so the day the announcement is public, users that want to try the product can find it ready to use in their distributions. This is something that IMO is very well done by KDE. The day I read the announcement on news sites about a new Mozilla browser, I always ask myself: when will be packaged for Debian Sid? When will the translation be packaged too? When will the extensions be ported and packaged so I can dist-upgrade without removing packages with conflicts? Modestas, and other packagers, are probably too bored to explain this again and again. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003290020.11091@badopi.org
KDE SC 4.4.2 available on qt-kde.debian.net
Hello, KDE SC 4.4.2 packages have been uploaded to the repository at http://qt- kde.debian.net/. KDE SC 4.4.1 users, who set up /etc/apt/preferences properly, should be able to upgrade to it with usual dist-upgrade process. For those, who didn't, it's about time to do it. KDE SC 4.4.2 will be officially announced by KDE (kde.org) on Tuesday / Wednesday. If you still wonder how packages were made available early, you have a choice not to install them rather than ask. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
