Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:50:34PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Samstag, 18. Juli 2015, 14:27:47 schrieb Marc Haber: Hi, […] On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 12:13:02PM +0200, Michael Schuerig wrote: Anyway, some features appear to have been lost in the upgrade. Here's what I'm missing so far: * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289t=124670 That's a pretty big transition, especially for the background that sni-qt is dead upstream and won't come up in Debian any time soon. Well, its how upstream decided about it. Yes. That's a parade example of upstream not caring. * Plasma Search, the successor to KRunner, doesn't remember the history. (Really? :-O) * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. But, do you have sound? I seem to have lost sound completely. In System Settings, all I can see is my hardware devices in Audio Hardware Setup. Both the Device Preferences and Backend tabs don't offer anything to be selected. Pulseaudio is installed, and both mpg321 and paplay on the command line work. Yes. But without Pulseaudio. Cause it still creates issues for me (last issue stuttering sound in PlaneShift all reported but yet unfixed I think). I realized that phonon needs ported libs as well, after instaling the phonon5in4foo libraries sound is fine. Other than that, I am having a déjà vu regarding important functions missing from the current release, although not so bad as with KDE 4. Most prominent absences are - Screensavers (with the additional fun of the canonical solution being use xscreensaver if you want something shiny instead of a blank screen) and Blanks screen just fine here. Make sure powerdevil package is installed. Yes. I want my clock back. Otherwise, I hate to say that I do not (yet?) see any substantial improvement over KDE 4 other than it's qt5 now (which is probably important). It feels snappier for me. But sure, that is no hard data. I don't care about snappy if so many features are missing. Some long standing annoying bugs got fixed. None of the ones that annoy me every day for years. - It is still not possible to sensibly use a vertical panel, which is quite important on small displays such as my 1366x768 panel which is not high enough anyway and one doesn't want to waste Y coordinate pixels with panels. A vertical panel is either unuseable because the task manager fields are too small to have any valueable contents or, on a wider panel, the icons get scaled up according to panel width so that they fill up too much of the panel space. It is obviously still not possible to place small icons side-by-side to each other in a wide vertical panel. I use a vertical panel. Granted the K menu icon is very large. The K menu icon and all single icon launchers. For placing icons side by side I think I used some launcher widget as you mentioned. Do you still use one? Which one? It may be that not all widgets are packages yet for Plasma 5. Maybe there are still some missing compared to what upstream delivers. I never said that this missing stuff was left out by the packagers. It is just upstream not caring about the people who use their software. Shipping a picture viewer with an incompatible kipi interface without having kipi plugins compatible with that interface is, well, unfriendly. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150722074756.gs9...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Samstag, 18. Juli 2015, 14:27:47 schrieb Marc Haber: Hi, […] On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 12:13:02PM +0200, Michael Schuerig wrote: Anyway, some features appear to have been lost in the upgrade. Here's what I'm missing so far: * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289t=124670 That's a pretty big transition, especially for the background that sni-qt is dead upstream and won't come up in Debian any time soon. Well, its how upstream decided about it. * Plasma Search, the successor to KRunner, doesn't remember the history. (Really? :-O) * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. But, do you have sound? I seem to have lost sound completely. In System Settings, all I can see is my hardware devices in Audio Hardware Setup. Both the Device Preferences and Backend tabs don't offer anything to be selected. Pulseaudio is installed, and both mpg321 and paplay on the command line work. Yes. But without Pulseaudio. Cause it still creates issues for me (last issue stuttering sound in PlaneShift all reported but yet unfixed I think). Other than that, I am having a déjà vu regarding important functions missing from the current release, although not so bad as with KDE 4. Most prominent absences are - Screensavers (with the additional fun of the canonical solution being use xscreensaver if you want something shiny instead of a blank screen) and Blanks screen just fine here. Make sure powerdevil package is installed. - the QuickLaunch plasmoid, which allowed placement of launchers in multiple rows inside the same panel. I would like to have some feedback to replace QuickLaunch without wasting too much screen real estate since normal launchers take about twice the panel space theat QuickLaunch used to take. I hope there is some neat new way to do things in plasma 5. No idea. Otherwise, I hate to say that I do not (yet?) see any substantial improvement over KDE 4 other than it's qt5 now (which is probably important). It feels snappier for me. But sure, that is no hard data. Some long standing annoying bugs got fixed. - It is still not possible to sensibly use a vertical panel, which is quite important on small displays such as my 1366x768 panel which is not high enough anyway and one doesn't want to waste Y coordinate pixels with panels. A vertical panel is either unuseable because the task manager fields are too small to have any valueable contents or, on a wider panel, the icons get scaled up according to panel width so that they fill up too much of the panel space. It is obviously still not possible to place small icons side-by-side to each other in a wide vertical panel. I use a vertical panel. Granted the K menu icon is very large. But otherwise looks OK. But needs to be wide enough for clock as it doesn´t scale properly. For placing icons side by side I think I used some launcher widget as you mentioned. It may be that not all widgets are packages yet for Plasma 5. Maybe there are still some missing compared to what upstream delivers. I appreciate the Debian KDE team's work and acknowledge that most of the issues mentioned here are upstream issues that Debian cannot solve. Sadly, this is another instance of an upstream didn't care enough that we have had so often in the past in the KDE world. I think the transition is much more smooth than with KDE SC 3 = 4. A lot more. I am using Plasma 5 productively since more than a week already. But there will be at least one more transition: KDEPIM 4.14 = KDEPIM 5. And probably another one: Akonadi = Akonadi Next. Ciao, -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4800649.MLAr95Pet8@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Hello I've also tried plasma 5. Unfortunately, this messed up iceweasel: Everything was twice as big as usual (although my laptop has no retine display..). Menus. tabs, fonts were too large. I could play with font size to reduce the font to a reasonable value, but the menus and tabs stayed way too large. On the other hand, chromium had no problem. Unfortunately, I use this computer for work so I had to revert kde packages to testing-ish. I'll try again later. All the best -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2778292.Hovunvp9gj@gandalf
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 19/07/15 10:00, Dominique Dumont wrote: I've also tried plasma 5. Unfortunately, this messed up iceweasel: Everything was twice as big as usual (although my laptop has no retine display..). Menus. tabs, fonts were too large. I could play with font size to reduce the font to a reasonable value, but the menus and tabs stayed way too large. As a quick workaround you can set GTK2_RC_FILES variable [in a wrapper script for Iceweasel] to point at a gtkrc to override whatever KDE is setting. I do this with Java apps [eg NetXMS client] that don't like the Oxygen GTK theme [that otherwise works great for everything else]. alexd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55ab7237.70...@ale.cx
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 10:30:37AM -0700, Shawn Sörbom wrote: Any word on when the rest of it will land in Sid? I have been holding off packaging work because I didn't really want to use experimental. I hope it is soon, I wont have time for Debian stuff once school restarts. You should make it a rule to do packaging work (at least the final build for the upload) in a chroot (debootstrap, schroot, sbuild are a big help in that task), so that you can deliberately break your main system without affecting packaging work. As a side effect, this leads to much better dependency declarations in your packages. And, please, do not top post on Debian mailing lists. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150718120116.gx9...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Hi, I have made the transition on my small notebook, the one with the tiny 1366x768 display. The update to plasma 5 was a breeze compared to the pain of converting the box to a SuSE-like btrfs setup with subvolumes for root, usr, var and a bunch of other subtrees that now allow me to go back to a snapshot without losing other data. I wouldn't have dared the transition at this point otherwise. On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 12:13:02PM +0200, Michael Schuerig wrote: Anyway, some features appear to have been lost in the upgrade. Here's what I'm missing so far: * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289t=124670 That's a pretty big transition, especially for the background that sni-qt is dead upstream and won't come up in Debian any time soon. * Plasma Search, the successor to KRunner, doesn't remember the history. (Really? :-O) * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. But, do you have sound? I seem to have lost sound completely. In System Settings, all I can see is my hardware devices in Audio Hardware Setup. Both the Device Preferences and Backend tabs don't offer anything to be selected. Pulseaudio is installed, and both mpg321 and paplay on the command line work. Other than that, I am having a déjà vu regarding important functions missing from the current release, although not so bad as with KDE 4. Most prominent absences are - Screensavers (with the additional fun of the canonical solution being use xscreensaver if you want something shiny instead of a blank screen) and - the QuickLaunch plasmoid, which allowed placement of launchers in multiple rows inside the same panel. I would like to have some feedback to replace QuickLaunch without wasting too much screen real estate since normal launchers take about twice the panel space theat QuickLaunch used to take. I hope there is some neat new way to do things in plasma 5. Otherwise, I hate to say that I do not (yet?) see any substantial improvement over KDE 4 other than it's qt5 now (which is probably important). - Konsole's profile handling is still queer regarding window sizes, but since konsole's author considered that a feature since KDE 4.0, I guess we won't see any improvement here. - It is still not possible to sensibly use a vertical panel, which is quite important on small displays such as my 1366x768 panel which is not high enough anyway and one doesn't want to waste Y coordinate pixels with panels. A vertical panel is either unuseable because the task manager fields are too small to have any valueable contents or, on a wider panel, the icons get scaled up according to panel width so that they fill up too much of the panel space. It is obviously still not possible to place small icons side-by-side to each other in a wide vertical panel. I appreciate the Debian KDE team's work and acknowledge that most of the issues mentioned here are upstream issues that Debian cannot solve. Sadly, this is another instance of an upstream didn't care enough that we have had so often in the past in the KDE world. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150718122747.gy9...@torres.zugschlus.de
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
I have been running (mostly just fine) with kdm. What is different about sddm? This only installs with a couple of breeze themes so will not interfere with anything else. Kdm is not removed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1931404.I09QnvjnD2@dovidhalevi
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Sometimes, the desktop does not come up. I have yakuake active so can get that. Top reveals no (or dormant) plasmashell. Happens more often as second session. Usually requires a reboot to get up again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3086801.ByTahDqadE@dovidhalevi
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Wednesday 15 July 2015 16:46:33 Josep Febrer wrote: El Dimarts, 14 de juliol de 2015, a les 19:49:11, Michael Schuerig va escriure: I think we're talking about two different things. I know that you get a process viewer out of the box when pressing Ctrl-Esc. That's not what I want. I'm trying to rebind it to launch KSysGuard proper with my own custom tabs. Incidentally, I have the same problem with some other KDE apps as well. I can't create global shortcuts, in the way described above, for Kate, for instance, whereas I can create a shortcut for KCalc and non-KDE apps in general. Did you have installed any appmenu related packages? I did, and until I removed them I got some strange behaviors that were gone when I uninstalled them. How would I know what the packages in question are? Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/15969454.WkHTTP16mV@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
El Dimecres, 15 de juliol de 2015, a les 19:47:33, Michael Schuerig va escriure: How would I know what the packages in question are? appmenu-qt Best regards, Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1624565.IPsyDnnbAu@josep
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
El Dimarts, 14 de juliol de 2015, a les 19:49:11, Michael Schuerig va escriure: I think we're talking about two different things. I know that you get a process viewer out of the box when pressing Ctrl-Esc. That's not what I want. I'm trying to rebind it to launch KSysGuard proper with my own custom tabs. Incidentally, I have the same problem with some other KDE apps as well. I can't create global shortcuts, in the way described above, for Kate, for instance, whereas I can create a shortcut for KCalc and non-KDE apps in general. Did you have installed any appmenu related packages? I did, and until I removed them I got some strange behaviors that were gone when I uninstalled them. Best regards, Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2256997.s4m4J7Cm2a@josep
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Sonntag, 12. Juli 2015, 12:13:02 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Sunday 12 July 2015 11:05:19 Martin Steigerwald wrote: It didn´t take me long to restore it to a state I am happy with. I'm not yet happy, but if it is the way forward, I have to bite the bullet now, it seems. I do think Plasma 5 could have spend some more time in experimental. But I can't really complain, I asked for unstable and that's what I got. Anyway, some features appear to have been lost in the upgrade. Here's what I'm missing so far: […] * I've tried (multiple times) to make Ctrl-Esc open KSysGuard, by assigning it as a Custom Shortcut for KMenuEdit. But when I press the shortcut, all I get is No service configured. Works here. Out of the box. I just miss the icon in Alt-F2 to start it. martin@merkaba:~ apt-show-versions | grep ksysguard | grep -v 386 ksysguard:amd64/sid 4:5.3.2-2 uptodate ksysguard-data:all/sid 4:5.3.2-2 uptodate ksysguardd:amd64/sid 4:5.3.2-2 uptodate * Plasma Search, the successor to KRunner, doesn't remember the history. (Really? :-O) I have seen this as well. I consider doing an upstream bug report if not already done. * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. I still prefer a system without PulseAudio cause with PulseAudio I have issues that just go away when I do not use it. Last issue is stuttering sound in PlaneShift. Bug reported and basically ignored. The Debian/KDE packagers are doing a time-consuming and largely unappreciated job, I know that. And I don't think the packaging is at fault for any of my more or less little complaints. Rather, it looks to me like the upstream KDE developers are giving their user base a second helping of the KDE 4 transition of a few years back. I'm not entirely happy about that. I do think the transition has been a lot smoother than the KDE 3 = 4 one. A lot. And I still think the desktop is snappier now. I also think its more polished. Several long standing bugs are gone that annoyed me for quite some time. I found some new ones, but in general I think it works pretty well. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1463844.4jC40anGu4@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Tuesday 14 July 2015 19:21:09 Martin Steigerwald wrote: * I've tried (multiple times) to make Ctrl-Esc open KSysGuard, by assigning it as a Custom Shortcut for KMenuEdit. But when I press the shortcut, all I get is No service configured. Works here. Out of the box. I just miss the icon in Alt-F2 to start it. I think we're talking about two different things. I know that you get a process viewer out of the box when pressing Ctrl-Esc. That's not what I want. I'm trying to rebind it to launch KSysGuard proper with my own custom tabs. Incidentally, I have the same problem with some other KDE apps as well. I can't create global shortcuts, in the way described above, for Kate, for instance, whereas I can create a shortcut for KCalc and non-KDE apps in general. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2300576.K5jnchiKqe@fuchsia
Re: Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
apt-get install kio There shoud be a depend on that somewehre : without it, putting icons on the desktop, does not work, you cannot browse wallpaper, konqueror does not displays icons, ... --eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a37cc1.80...@free.fr
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Hi! Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 15:32:18 schrieb Michael Schuerig: Oh dear. Installing/upgrading plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop did something. I wish I hadn't done it Now I have a barely functional desktop in kindergarten coloring. Somehow I didn't plan to spend the weekend on configuring this into something I can use again. Systemback is a program wich saves the state of the system, und makes it possible to revert to a previous state. You could have saved the state previous to upgrading plasma-workspace. Then you would be able to go back now. Of course, it's too late now, but you (and others) could use Systemback in future. It is in the Debian repositories. Cheers, Volker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2740259.pDzQ47HCvB@debian
Systemback and Snapper+Btrfs (was: Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!)
Am Montag, 13. Juli 2015, 19:48:19 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Monday 13 July 2015 15:09:35 Volker Wysk wrote: Hi! Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 15:32:18 schrieb Michael Schuerig: Oh dear. Installing/upgrading plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop did something. I wish I hadn't done it Now I have a barely functional desktop in kindergarten coloring. Somehow I didn't plan to spend the weekend on configuring this into something I can use again. Systemback is a program wich saves the state of the system, und makes it possible to revert to a previous state. You could have saved the state previous to upgrading plasma-workspace. Then you would be able to go back now. Of course, it's too late now, but you (and others) could use Systemback in future. It is in the Debian repositories. I don't think there's a package in the official repo. Opps, I've been mistaken. You can get it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemback/ In order to install it, you need to have installed these packages: live-boot syslinux isolinux There's an article about Systemback in the LinuxUser magazine, issue 2/2015. Do you happen to know how systemback works? Yes, I've tried it, and have been using it for a few months now. Anyway, for cases like this, I'm considering to switch to btrfs and use snapper pre/post snapshots. I've heard of it, but haven't tried it yet. There was an article about Snapper/Btrfs, as well, in issue 5/2015. Bye, Volker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/27634545.eHhBds9yKe@debian
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Monday 13 July 2015 15:09:35 Volker Wysk wrote: Hi! Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 15:32:18 schrieb Michael Schuerig: Oh dear. Installing/upgrading plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop did something. I wish I hadn't done it Now I have a barely functional desktop in kindergarten coloring. Somehow I didn't plan to spend the weekend on configuring this into something I can use again. Systemback is a program wich saves the state of the system, und makes it possible to revert to a previous state. You could have saved the state previous to upgrading plasma-workspace. Then you would be able to go back now. Of course, it's too late now, but you (and others) could use Systemback in future. It is in the Debian repositories. I don't think there's a package in the official repo. Do you happen to know how systemback works? Anyway, for cases like this, I'm considering to switch to btrfs and use snapper pre/post snapshots. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/23194138.Hh98120Wdn@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 13 July 2015 at 08:34, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/12/2015 09:17 PM, Michael Schuerig wrote: On Sunday 12 July 2015 19:06:55 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade plasma-desktop. What I see missing are showdesktop and klipper, I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. Klipper is there already. Showdesktop? A widget to hide all windows and show the desktop underneath? That's there, too. Michael, I'm not seeing what you are seeing..I'm not seeing showdesktop at all..and klipper is version KDE-4 and if I install plasma-desktop KDE-4 klipper will be gone with no replacement.. Klipper doesn't have its own package in KF5/Plasma 5. It's included in plasma-workspace (plasma-workspace 4:5.3.2-1 replaces klipper). Show Desktop -plasmoid is in plasma-widgets-addons (4:5.3.2-2) package. -- Sami
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 15:32:18 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Saturday 11 July 2015 14:19:13 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 14:00:33 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Thursday 09 July 2015 12:02:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: And, yah, now systemsettings are working better again! At least I have lot more modules in there again. When I launch systemsettings5, I just get this message System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display. After clicking OK, it just quits. Do I have to install new packages manually to make it work? Hmmm, do you have plasma-workspace, plasma-desktop and kio installed? Aside from that I installed from kde-config-* packages, but I think these are optional modules for systemsettings. Oh dear. Installing/upgrading plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop did something. I wish I hadn't done it :-( Now I have a barely functional desktop in kindergarten coloring. Somehow I didn't plan to spend the weekend on configuring this into something I can use again. I assume it is correct that none of my previous desktop settings have been migrated? No. It migrated the activities and some other stuff. But the whole plasma containment and widget configuration is lost. Also the window manager settings seem to got lost. I didn´t look yet, but it may use a different configuration directory. Oh, I bet it does, jupp, it appears it uses ~/.config now. Directly, not even a sub directory. Hmmm, I don´t like this. I´d rather have it all in ~/.config/kde.org or something like that. Now I have Plasma config mixed with other configs in there. It didn´t take me long to restore it to a state I am happy with. And on my main machine the Plasma 5 desktop is fully functional meanwhile. On i386 there still is no plasma-workspace package. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1536032.Nz37qZLFMd@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote: * ksysguard (panel) widgets. I thought these little graphs were really useful. In my case, I had them for overall CPU utilization, network I/O, and temperature. I think I read that the graphs are coming back upstream. * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289t=124670 I don't expect sni-qt4 and a heavily patched qt to land in debian anytime soon. * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was able to choose Folder View somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at Desktop. What do you mean by originally and another update ? * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. All plasma widgets needs to be updated for plasma5. That's just how it is. Better tell the upstreams of your favourite 3rd party plasma widgets that they better get started. And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mntgcg$5rt$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
With plasma-desktop, plasma-workspace, kio and kio-extras packages everything is working and major flaws are gone (thanks for the advices). I like the work the packagers have done and I'm loving Kf5 as much as KDE4 that is/was a great DE. 2015-07-12 15:12 GMT+02:00 Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de: On Sunday 12 July 2015 10:43:28 Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote: * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was able to choose Folder View somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at Desktop. What do you mean by originally and another update ? After first updating to Plasma 5, I was able to select Folder View for the background. Then, after installing some more new packages and rebooting, Folder View wasn't available anymore. I think I did something with activities, too. Right now, I have exactly one activity. And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. Indeed. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1657995.8UT5ooaPCo@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 07/12/2015 06:12 AM, Michael Schuerig wrote: And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade plasma-desktop. What I see missing are showdesktop and klipper, I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Sid - KDE 5.3.2 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda13 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a31d3f.30...@gmail.com
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Sunday 12 July 2015 19:06:55 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/12/2015 06:12 AM, Michael Schuerig wrote: And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade plasma-desktop. What I see missing are showdesktop and klipper, I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. Klipper is there already. Showdesktop? A widget to hide all windows and show the desktop underneath? That's there, too. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1893010.HJ1x44eA9o@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 07/12/2015 09:17 PM, Michael Schuerig wrote: On Sunday 12 July 2015 19:06:55 Jimmy Johnson wrote: I'm waiting for some things I see missing before I upgrade plasma-desktop. What I see missing are showdesktop and klipper, I've been using them for many years and would hate to loose them. Also I know once I remove a KDE-4 package there is no looking back and you can loose the functions of your desktop. Once I find my missing packages I will be extremely happy! So far so good.. Klipper is there already. Showdesktop? A widget to hide all windows and show the desktop underneath? That's there, too. Michael, I'm not seeing what you are seeing..I'm not seeing showdesktop at all..and klipper is version KDE-4 and if I install plasma-desktop KDE-4 klipper will be gone with no replacement.. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Sid - KDE 5.3.2 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda13 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/55a34df7.6060...@gmail.com
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Sunday 12 July 2015 11:05:19 Martin Steigerwald wrote: It didn´t take me long to restore it to a state I am happy with. I'm not yet happy, but if it is the way forward, I have to bite the bullet now, it seems. I do think Plasma 5 could have spend some more time in experimental. But I can't really complain, I asked for unstable and that's what I got. Anyway, some features appear to have been lost in the upgrade. Here's what I'm missing so far: * ksysguard (panel) widgets. I thought these little graphs were really useful. In my case, I had them for overall CPU utilization, network I/O, and temperature. * I've tried (multiple times) to make Ctrl-Esc open KSysGuard, by assigning it as a Custom Shortcut for KMenuEdit. But when I press the shortcut, all I get is No service configured. * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289t=124670 * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was able to choose Folder View somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at Desktop. * Plasma Search, the successor to KRunner, doesn't remember the history. (Really? :-O) * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel. The Debian/KDE packagers are doing a time-consuming and largely unappreciated job, I know that. And I don't think the packaging is at fault for any of my more or less little complaints. Rather, it looks to me like the upstream KDE developers are giving their user base a second helping of the KDE 4 transition of a few years back. I'm not entirely happy about that. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/12847431.T25E5A4Qgp@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
I had placed a script in .kde/env to get locally compiled plasmoids on board in QT_PLUGIN_PATH. Plasma-5 is not exercising this. My env is: QT_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins:/lib/kde5/plugins/ So ... Locally compiled plasmoids are in kde4 folders. Currently missing more more functional versions of installed plasmoids are in kde4 folders. Only the few newly installed ones, many very limited, are in kde5 folders! Safe to make a .kde/Autostart of get the .kde/env script to run and append such these folders to QT_PLUGIN_PATH env? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1653290.tG3yubJGpx@dovidhalevi
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On Sunday 12 July 2015 10:43:28 Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig michael.li...@schuerig.de wrote: * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was able to choose Folder View somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at Desktop. What do you mean by originally and another update ? After first updating to Plasma 5, I was able to select Folder View for the background. Then, after installing some more new packages and rebooting, Folder View wasn't available anymore. I think I did something with activities, too. Right now, I have exactly one activity. And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around, I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things. Indeed. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1657995.8UT5ooaPCo@fuchsia
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On Thursday 09 July 2015 12:02:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: And, yah, now systemsettings are working better again! At least I have lot more modules in there again. When I launch systemsettings5, I just get this message System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display. After clicking OK, it just quits. Do I have to install new packages manually to make it work? Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6748488.WQTJ5pjG9x@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Saturday 11 July 2015 14:19:13 Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 14:00:33 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Thursday 09 July 2015 12:02:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: And, yah, now systemsettings are working better again! At least I have lot more modules in there again. When I launch systemsettings5, I just get this message System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display. After clicking OK, it just quits. Do I have to install new packages manually to make it work? Hmmm, do you have plasma-workspace, plasma-desktop and kio installed? Aside from that I installed from kde-config-* packages, but I think these are optional modules for systemsettings. Oh dear. Installing/upgrading plasma-workspace and plasma-desktop did something. I wish I hadn't done it :-( Now I have a barely functional desktop in kindergarten coloring. Somehow I didn't plan to spend the weekend on configuring this into something I can use again. I assume it is correct that none of my previous desktop settings have been migrated? Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/12946444.tvj0un3GNi@fuchsia
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On 2015-07-11, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2015, 10:34:44 schrieb Valerio Passini: Hello, I found this misbehaviours: […] 2) browsing directories within an application when using settings doesn't work: i.e.: while dolphin works, the directory browser does not because directories are not shown. apt-get install kio I think we have a bug about putting the kio package into the dependency chain the right place. It was at least discussed like .. yesterday .. in the s3cr3t irc channel. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mnrfv4$n3u$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 10:30:37 schrieb Shawn Sörbom: On Thursday, July 09, 2015 16:50:51 David Baron wrote: Installing the kwin stuff stopped the immediate crashes. Could not see any text except some highlighted stuff and pieces of menus. Go to system settings, somehow, and set the compositor to xrender. This got everything painted again. Now of course, had to start over. Some pieces, widgets, are missing, even thought they were explicitly installed. Icon themes have missing pieces, and size-related flaws. But ... Plasma 5 is up and running and (mostly) quite nicely! Any word on when the rest of it will land in Sid? I have been holding off packaging work because I didn't really want to use experimental. I hope it is soon, I wont have time for Debian stuff once school restarts. I think it will all land in Sid rather soon now. Cause the necessary Qt 5.4 version finally arrived in Unstable. So kde-baseapps 15.04.3 including Dolphin and Konqueror is already in Sid. Just give Maxy and the rest of the Debian Qt/KDE team some time to update, build and upload it all. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/59861797.ThM2qPlF89@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Hi folks, if you want me to answer in the future, please properly quote. Otherwise I may just not answer anymore. Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 23:13:34 schrieb David Baron: On Thursday, July 09, 2015 16:50:51 David Baron wrote: […] But ... Plasma 5 is up and running and (mostly) quite nicely! Any word on when the rest of it will land in Sid? I have been holding off packaging work because I didn't really want to use experimental. I hope it is soon, I wont have time for Debian stuff once school restarts. I am not on the inside so cannot tell anything. I did NOT use anything from experimental. It is a bit slow (debug versions?), less than 100% stable, had some hangups. Growing pains. Nothing of that. Its rock stable and fast here. It feels more slick than what I had before. I am using select packages from Experimental since quite some time and I do not find it scary at all. I even pinned experimental packages to auto-update when new version arrives, but of course below unstable packages. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1453871.UrqKN6TX3s@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Samstag, 11. Juli 2015, 14:00:33 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Thursday 09 July 2015 12:02:39 Martin Steigerwald wrote: And, yah, now systemsettings are working better again! At least I have lot more modules in there again. When I launch systemsettings5, I just get this message System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display. After clicking OK, it just quits. Do I have to install new packages manually to make it work? Hmmm, do you have plasma-workspace, plasma-desktop and kio installed? Aside from that I installed from kde-config-* packages, but I think these are optional modules for systemsettings. Ciao, -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1729446.tDc2BPfx9h@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Friday 10 July 2015 12:46:19 Kevin Krammer wrote: [snip] Probably related to this: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/ Totally. But it won't fix: sni-qt is dead upstream, has bug and needs a patch in qt4 which I'm not going to accept as long as now one becomes the new sni-qt upstream. The real solution is to port system tray icons to Qt5/KF5. Regrads, Lisandro. -- 14: Para acceder y navegar en internet * Debe tener conexion a Internet Damian Nadales http://mx.grulic.org.ar/lurker/message/20080307.141449.a70fb2fc.es.html Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer http://perezmeyer.com.ar/ http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2015, 10:34:44 schrieb Valerio Passini: Hello, I found this misbehaviours: […] 2) browsing directories within an application when using settings doesn't work: i.e.: while dolphin works, the directory browser does not because directories are not shown. apt-get install kio I think. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/15285908.6H2ddKlDJf@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2015, 12:46:19 schrieb Kevin Krammer: On Friday, 2015-07-10, 12:12:59, David Baron wrote: On Friday 10 July 2015 10:34:44 Valerio Passini wrote: Hello, I found this misbehaviours: 1) it's impossible to add application launcher shortcuts on a panel using dran 'n' drop, does anybody else have this problem? Works for me. 2) browsing directories within an application when using settings doesn't work: i.e.: while dolphin works, the directory browser does not because directories are not shown. 3) many plasma widgets don't show at all when trying to select one to add to desktop (weather widgets, system monitor, etc...) A lot of widgets missing or limited Right-click context menus from icons, i.e.Qjackctl, Dropbox, etc., are not added. KMail on system tray does work. Probably related to this: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/ Yeah, very likely. hplip notifier is also affected. -- Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Hello, I found this misbehaviours: 1) it's impossible to add application launcher shortcuts on a panel using dran 'n' drop, does anybody else have this problem? 2) browsing directories within an application when using settings doesn't work: i.e.: while dolphin works, the directory browser does not because directories are not shown. 3) many plasma widgets don't show at all when trying to select one to add to desktop (weather widgets, system monitor, etc...) Regarding hplip, on ubuntu 15.04 I had a similar problem, but I was able to solve. I remember the solution involved to give an higher grace time to the service 2015-07-09 22:13 GMT+02:00 David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il: I am not on the inside so cannot tell anything. I did NOT use anything from experimental. It is a bit slow (debug versions?), less than 100% stable, had some hangups. Growing pains. Any word on when the rest of it will land in Sid? I have been holding off packaging work because I didn't really want to use experimental. I hope it is soon, I wont have time for Debian stuff once school restarts. On Thursday, July 09, 2015 16:50:51 David Baron wrote: Installing the kwin stuff stopped the immediate crashes. Could not see any text except some highlighted stuff and pieces of menus. Go to system settings, somehow, and set the compositor to xrender. This got everything painted again. Now of course, had to start over. Some pieces, widgets, are missing, even thought they were explicitly installed. Icon themes have missing pieces, and size-related flaws. But ... Plasma 5 is up and running and (mostly) quite nicely! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4004552.GrbuRJr06z@dovidhalevi
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
On Friday, 2015-07-10, 12:12:59, David Baron wrote: On Friday 10 July 2015 10:34:44 Valerio Passini wrote: Hello, I found this misbehaviours: 1) it's impossible to add application launcher shortcuts on a panel using dran 'n' drop, does anybody else have this problem? Works for me. 2) browsing directories within an application when using settings doesn't work: i.e.: while dolphin works, the directory browser does not because directories are not shown. 3) many plasma widgets don't show at all when trying to select one to add to desktop (weather widgets, system monitor, etc...) A lot of widgets missing or limited Right-click context menus from icons, i.e.Qjackctl, Dropbox, etc., are not added. KMail on system tray does work. Probably related to this: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/ Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Installing the kwin stuff stopped the immediate crashes. Could not see any text except some highlighted stuff and pieces of menus. Go to system settings, somehow, and set the compositor to xrender. This got everything painted again. Now of course, had to start over. Some pieces, widgets, are missing, even thought they were explicitly installed. Icon themes have missing pieces, and size-related flaws. But ... Plasma 5 is up and running and (mostly) quite nicely! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2005777.5c0yEHm2FE@dovidhalevi
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Any word on when the rest of it will land in Sid? I have been holding off packaging work because I didn't really want to use experimental. I hope it is soon, I wont have time for Debian stuff once school restarts. On Thursday, July 09, 2015 16:50:51 David Baron wrote: Installing the kwin stuff stopped the immediate crashes. Could not see any text except some highlighted stuff and pieces of menus. Go to system settings, somehow, and set the compositor to xrender. This got everything painted again. Now of course, had to start over. Some pieces, widgets, are missing, even thought they were explicitly installed. Icon themes have missing pieces, and size-related flaws. But ... Plasma 5 is up and running and (mostly) quite nicely! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4264614.m4SyW66lyD@medusa
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
How to get it? Which sources.list is required? Can you share via Debian wiki. Luc Op do 9 jul. 2015 12:09 schreef Marco Valli ma...@bastardi.net: In data giovedì 9 luglio 2015 09:28:53, Martin Steigerwald ha scritto: One time Cc to Maxy (please remove on replies). Plasma 5 works great here. Tnx a lot to Suone, Maxy and the others Debian KDE guys. -- Marco Valli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/22453286.TVuWHezW9c@debian
So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
One time Cc to Maxy (please remove on replies). Hi! YAY But kde-window-manager missing as its still at 4.11.13. Alt-F2 metacity or some other window manager will do the trick for now. And wow, this boots into Plasma desktop fast! And is also snappy and slick. I like it. I think kwin will come soon. I have seen it in debian-devel-changes or debian-qt-kde mailinglist. *Thank you* Maxy and all the others who made this possible. Ciao, -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1764620.PbQiWxTXQp@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 09:28:53 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: One time Cc to Maxy (please remove on replies). Hi! YAY But kde-window-manager missing as its still at 4.11.13. Also beware: kdemultimedia, kdenetwork and kdeedu application bundle meta packages got removed on aptitude dist-upgrade first suggestion. So in case you want a smoother transition and are on Debian Sid, *wait* a bit :) I think its good to wait with bug reports until package transition has completed. I see bug reports here and there, but hey, this is unstable and somehow all packages have to trickle in there. It won´t be an atomic upgrade, now KDE SC 4, then blink, Plasma 5. Unless you wait a bit in between. Ciao, -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/7082445.Zg0lKR7lX8@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 09:38:24 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 09:28:53 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: One time Cc to Maxy (please remove on replies). Hi! YAY But kde-window-manager missing as its still at 4.11.13. Also beware: kdemultimedia, kdenetwork and kdeedu application bundle meta packages got removed on aptitude dist-upgrade first suggestion. Its possible to have these all installed via apt-get -t experimental. They are already available in KDE Applications 14.12 versions. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3255488.KuaPUUjCmR@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 10:58:47 schrieb Luc Castermans: Op do 9 jul. 2015 12:09 schreef Marco Valli ma...@bastardi.net: In data giovedì 9 luglio 2015 09:28:53, Martin Steigerwald ha scritto: One time Cc to Maxy (please remove on replies). Plasma 5 works great here. Tnx a lot to Suone, Maxy and the others Debian KDE guys. How to get it? Which sources.list is required? Can you share via Debian wiki. Use Debian Sid + Experimental. apt-get dist-upgrade -u. Look closely at what gets removed. In case it wants to remove kdenetwork, kdemultimedia and kdeedu, you can try to install-upgrade them to KDE Applications 14.12 versions by using apt-get -t experimental. But it may deinstall your KDE SC 4.14. So it may be better to do it afterwards and let it remove it temporarily. I did it from running KDE SC 4.14 desktop. It may be safer to do this on TTY1 :) Make sure kwin-x11 is installed. Also upgrade kdegraphics with Okular, Gwenview, … (is at 14.12) and kde- baseapps with Dolphin, Konsole, … (is at 15.04) to experimental versions Make sure sddm is installed, but I bet it will. I am not sure whether its mandatory, but for an integrated experience, select sddm as display manager (dpkg-reconfigure sddm). Log out. Log in with Plasma Workspace as session. If you do not want experimental, wait a bit longer for upload of packages to unstable. I won´t do any wiki page at this time and preliminary stage. This is still just for early adopters. And once all stuff is in Sid my experimental hints are outdated. Ciao, -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/27636848.EUy8AjJgzV@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
Am Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015, 09:28:53 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: […] YAY But kde-window-manager missing as its still at 4.11.13. Alt-F2 metacity or some other window manager will do the trick for now. Okay, I solved this: apt-get install kwin-x11 For some reason only kwin-wayland was installed and I was left without a running window manager. But after installing kwin-x11. And, yah, now systemsettings are working better again! At least I have lot more modules in there again. hplip tray applet does not start cause it does not find a system tray. I think this is about Plasma 5 not supporting Xembed or what it was called anymore. Now I will start to setup the desktop. It all my Plasma configuration is lost, but well, will redo it for Plasma 5. Ciao, -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2138337.3Kt6AyeDWE@merkaba
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
In data giovedì 9 luglio 2015 09:28:53, Martin Steigerwald ha scritto: One time Cc to Maxy (please remove on replies). Plasma 5 works great here. Tnx a lot to Suone, Maxy and the others Debian KDE guys. -- Marco Valli -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/22453286.TVuWHezW9c@debian
Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!
I am not on the inside so cannot tell anything. I did NOT use anything from experimental. It is a bit slow (debug versions?), less than 100% stable, had some hangups. Growing pains. Any word on when the rest of it will land in Sid? I have been holding off packaging work because I didn't really want to use experimental. I hope it is soon, I wont have time for Debian stuff once school restarts. On Thursday, July 09, 2015 16:50:51 David Baron wrote: Installing the kwin stuff stopped the immediate crashes. Could not see any text except some highlighted stuff and pieces of menus. Go to system settings, somehow, and set the compositor to xrender. This got everything painted again. Now of course, had to start over. Some pieces, widgets, are missing, even thought they were explicitly installed. Icon themes have missing pieces, and size-related flaws. But ... Plasma 5 is up and running and (mostly) quite nicely! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4004552.GrbuRJr06z@dovidhalevi
