Bug#587789: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#587789: linux-image-2.6-686: netfilters clamp-mss-to-pmtu sets bad MSS when non was set before)

2010-07-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
You need to have this argument with the upstream developers, not with
me.

Ben.

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Bug#587789: closed by Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk (Re: Bug#587789: linux-image-2.6-686: netfilters clamp-mss-to-pmtu sets bad MSS when non was set before)

2010-07-02 Thread Daniel Gibson

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#587789: linux-image-2.6-686: netfilters clamp-mss-to-pmtu sets bad MSS when 
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Re: Bug#587789: linux-image-2.6-686: netfilters clamp-mss-to-pmtu sets 
bad MSS when non was set before

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Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk
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Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:28:52 +0100
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On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 18:43 +0200, Daniel Gibson wrote:

Package: linux-image-2.6-686
Version: 2.6.26+17+lenny1
Severity: important

Hi,

Netfilters clamp-mss-to-pmtu (as used in iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags 
SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu) sets MSS in packets that had no MSS set 
before.


The documentation says that TCPMSS sets the MSS option, unconditionally,
so this behaviour is correct.Never increase MSS, even when setting it, as 
doing so



The code explicitly says Never increase MSS, even when setting it, as 
doing so results in problems for hosts that rely on MSS being set 
correctly. So the MSS option is *not* set unconditionally by 
--clamp-mss-pmtu. The documentation doesn't explicitly say that, though.

To set the MSS to a fixed value --set-mss should be used, I guess.
(Explicitly set MSS option to specified value)
No MSS set (at a TCP packet) implies the default MSS of 536 as specified 
by RFC 879. So TCPMSS should in that case either set a MSS of 536 (e.g. 
before the oldmss  newmss check, so if PMTU returned a even lower MSS 
it is set to that lower value) or at least leave the MSS untouched.


The documentation says This target is used to overcome criminally 
braindead ISPs or servers which block ICMP Fragmentation Needed or 
ICMPv6 Packet Too Big packets.
So, if a host (implicitly, in conformance to the RFC) expects packets of 
default size (MSS 536) and the braindead ISP (or server-/ 
firewall-admin), blocks the (according to the RFC optional) ICMP 
Fragmentation Needed packets, the PMTU will not return the correct MTU 
(of 536) but the MTU of your DSL connection or whatever.
TCPMSS is meant to fix exactly this case (blocked ICPM packets), but the 
author apparently only thought of the case that the server sets a MSS 
that's to big for the client, so the client must fix that by setting a 
lower MSS - but not the case that a server expects a smaller MSS (that 
happens to be the standard MSS) without explicitly saying so.


Regards,
- Daniel



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