Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-06-10 Thread Jörg Sommer
Ben Hutchings hat am Mon 06. Jun, 09:45 (+0100) geschrieben:
 On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 01:48 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
  Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 05. Jun, 20:37 (+0100) geschrieben:
   On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:23 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
   [...]
 Oh well, please try installing this package:
 
 http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb

Can you reinstall this file?
   
   I seem to have deleted it, but try this one:
   
   http://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/linux-base_3.3~test1_all.deb
   
   I'm attaching the changes so they're recorded on this bug and I won't
   lose them again.
  
  I've tried this package, but it didn't output anything special. I've
  tried the old package, too, but had no luck in reproducing the message.
  
  Because nobody else reported the same error, I think you should ignore
  it. Except you have an idea how to find the reason of this error.
 
 Well I can see a bug, I'm just not sure whether it's exactly the same as
 the bug you encountered.

If I can assist you anyhow, tell me.

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-06-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:28 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
 Ben Hutchings hat am Mon 06. Jun, 09:45 (+0100) geschrieben:
  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 01:48 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
   Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 05. Jun, 20:37 (+0100) geschrieben:
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:23 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
[...]
  Oh well, please try installing this package:
  
  http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb
 
 Can you reinstall this file?

I seem to have deleted it, but try this one:

http://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/linux-base_3.3~test1_all.deb

I'm attaching the changes so they're recorded on this bug and I won't
lose them again.
   
   I've tried this package, but it didn't output anything special. I've
   tried the old package, too, but had no luck in reproducing the message.
   
   Because nobody else reported the same error, I think you should ignore
   it. Except you have an idea how to find the reason of this error.
  
  Well I can see a bug, I'm just not sure whether it's exactly the same as
  the bug you encountered.
 
 If I can assist you anyhow, tell me.

Thank you but I don't need further testing from you.

Ben.

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-06-06 Thread Jörg Sommer
Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 05. Jun, 20:37 (+0100) geschrieben:
 On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:23 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
 [...]
   Oh well, please try installing this package:
   
   http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb
  
  Can you reinstall this file?
 
 I seem to have deleted it, but try this one:
 
 http://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/linux-base_3.3~test1_all.deb
 
 I'm attaching the changes so they're recorded on this bug and I won't
 lose them again.

I've tried this package, but it didn't output anything special. I've
tried the old package, too, but had no luck in reproducing the message.

Because nobody else reported the same error, I think you should ignore
it. Except you have an idea how to find the reason of this error.

Bye, Jörg.
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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 01:48 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
 Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 05. Jun, 20:37 (+0100) geschrieben:
  On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:23 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
  [...]
Oh well, please try installing this package:

http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb
   
   Can you reinstall this file?
  
  I seem to have deleted it, but try this one:
  
  http://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/linux-base_3.3~test1_all.deb
  
  I'm attaching the changes so they're recorded on this bug and I won't
  lose them again.
 
 I've tried this package, but it didn't output anything special. I've
 tried the old package, too, but had no luck in reproducing the message.
 
 Because nobody else reported the same error, I think you should ignore
 it. Except you have an idea how to find the reason of this error.

Well I can see a bug, I'm just not sure whether it's exactly the same as
the bug you encountered.

Ben.

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-06-05 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 17:23 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
[...]
  Oh well, please try installing this package:
  
  http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb
 
 Can you reinstall this file?

I seem to have deleted it, but try this one:

http://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/linux-base_3.3~test1_all.deb

I'm attaching the changes so they're recorded on this bug and I won't
lose them again.

Ben.

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Index: linux-base/debian/postinst
===
--- linux-base/debian/postinst	(revision 17575)
+++ linux-base/debian/postinst	(working copy)
@@ -1280,8 +1280,11 @@
 # Sort each device's IDs in reverse lexical order so that UUIDs are
 # preferred.
 for my $bdev (keys(%bdev_map)) {
-	if ($bdev_map{$bdev}-{type} eq 'LVM2_member') {
+	if (!defined($bdev_map{$bdev}-{type})) {
+	print STDERR no type found for $bdev\n;
 	@{$bdev_map{$bdev}-{ids}} = ();
+	} elsif ($bdev_map{$bdev}-{type} eq 'LVM2_member') {
+	@{$bdev_map{$bdev}-{ids}} = ();
 	} else {
 	@{$bdev_map{$bdev}-{ids}} =
 		sort({$b cmp $a}
Index: linux-base/debian/changelog
===
--- linux-base/debian/changelog	(revision 17575)
+++ linux-base/debian/changelog	(working copy)
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+linux-base (3.3~test1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
+
+  * Report devices with missing information
+
+ -- Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk  Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:24:27 +0100
+
 linux-base (3.3) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
 
   * debian/control: Fix VCS URLs (Closes: #620609)


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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-05-28 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi Ben,

I'm very sorry I didn't reponse to your mail for so long.

Ben Hutchings hat am Sat 30. Apr, 20:47 (+0100) geschrieben:
 On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 08:47 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
  Ben Hutchings hat am Tue 26. Apr, 04:47 (+0100) geschrieben:
   On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 23:35 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
Jörg Sommer hat am Mon 25. Apr, 23:21 (+0200) geschrieben:
 Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 03. Apr, 03:06 (+0100) geschrieben:
  /sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
  echo $device:
  /sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
  done
 
 /dev/sda1
 ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
 ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
 ID_FS_LABEL=_grml_:0
 ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x27grml\x27:0
 ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
 /dev/sda2
 ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
 ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
 ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
 ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
 ID_FS_TYPE=ext4

That's strange. sda2 is a RAID member. I don't know why blkid thinks 
it's
a standalone filesystem.
   
   Yes, that's weird.
   
   But now that I look over the code again, I think the bug you found is
   not related to this information.  Does the /etc/mdadm.conf file on this
   system use a device name wildcard?
  
  No. That's the contents:
 [...]
 
 Oh well, please try installing this package:
 
 http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb

Can you reinstall this file?

Bye, Jörg.
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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 08:47 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
 Ben Hutchings hat am Tue 26. Apr, 04:47 (+0100) geschrieben:
  On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 23:35 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
   Jörg Sommer hat am Mon 25. Apr, 23:21 (+0200) geschrieben:
Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 03. Apr, 03:06 (+0100) geschrieben:
 /sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
 echo $device:
 /sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
 done

/dev/sda1
ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
ID_FS_LABEL=_grml_:0
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x27grml\x27:0
ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
/dev/sda2
ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
   
   That's strange. sda2 is a RAID member. I don't know why blkid thinks it's
   a standalone filesystem.
  
  Yes, that's weird.
  
  But now that I look over the code again, I think the bug you found is
  not related to this information.  Does the /etc/mdadm.conf file on this
  system use a device name wildcard?
 
 No. That's the contents:
[...]

Oh well, please try installing this package:

http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb
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http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test_all.deb.sig ;
source:
http://people.debian.org/~benh/linux-base_3.2a~test.dsc )

and run 'dpkg --reconfigure linux-base'.  It should print an error
specifying which device is missing information.

Ben.

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-26 Thread Jörg Sommer
Ben Hutchings hat am Tue 26. Apr, 04:47 (+0100) geschrieben:
 On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 23:35 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
  Jörg Sommer hat am Mon 25. Apr, 23:21 (+0200) geschrieben:
   Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 03. Apr, 03:06 (+0100) geschrieben:
/sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
echo $device:
/sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
done
   
   /dev/sda1
   ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
   ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
   ID_FS_LABEL=_grml_:0
   ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x27grml\x27:0
   ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
   /dev/sda2
   ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
   ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
   ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
   ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
   ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
  
  That's strange. sda2 is a RAID member. I don't know why blkid thinks it's
  a standalone filesystem.
 
 Yes, that's weird.
 
 But now that I look over the code again, I think the bug you found is
 not related to this information.  Does the /etc/mdadm.conf file on this
 system use a device name wildcard?

No. That's the contents:

cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf 
# mdadm.conf
#
# Please refer to mdadm.conf(5) for information about this file.
#

# by default, scan all partitions (/proc/partitions) for MD superblocks.
# alternatively, specify devices to scan, using wildcards if desired.
DEVICE partitions

# auto-create devices with Debian standard permissions
CREATE owner=root group=disk mode=0660 auto=yes

# automatically tag new arrays as belonging to the local system
HOMEHOST jupiter

# instruct the monitoring daemon where to send mail alerts
MAILADDR root

# definitions of existing MD arrays
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=a59a6be1:01ac2c7a:12abc8dc:8e4c3255
ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=2e95c5a4:d658a167:cf89181d:5e6e3dc4

# This file was auto-generated on Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:46:50 +0100
# by mkconf $Id$

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-25 Thread Jörg Sommer
Jörg Sommer hat am Mon 25. Apr, 23:21 (+0200) geschrieben:
 Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 03. Apr, 03:06 (+0100) geschrieben:
  /sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
  echo $device:
  /sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
  done
 
 /dev/sda1
 ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
 ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
 ID_FS_LABEL=_grml_:0
 ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x27grml\x27:0
 ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
 /dev/sda2
 ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
 ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
 ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
 ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
 ID_FS_TYPE=ext4

That's strange. sda2 is a RAID member. I don't know why blkid thinks it's
a standalone filesystem.

# mdadm -E /dev/sda2
/dev/sda2:
  Magic : a92b4efc
Version : 0.90.00
   UUID : 2e95c5a4:d658a167:cf89181d:5e6e3dc4
  Creation Time : Mon Jan  4 22:24:41 2010
 Raid Level : raid1
  Used Dev Size : 68380608 (65.21 GiB 70.02 GB)
 Array Size : 68380608 (65.21 GiB 70.02 GB)
   Raid Devices : 2
  Total Devices : 2
Preferred Minor : 1

Update Time : Mon Apr 25 23:25:53 2011
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0
   Checksum : 79364718 - correct
 Events : 837534


  Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
this 0   820  active sync   /dev/sda2

   0 0   820  active sync   /dev/sda2
   1 1   8   341  active sync   /dev/sdc2

Do you know which of the UUIDs should be equal? The devices are grouped
as they belong together.

# for i in sda1 sdc1 md0 sda2 sdc2 md1; do printf '%-4s: ' $i; blkid -o udev -s 
UUID /dev/$i G -v _ENC; done 
sda1: ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
sdc1: ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
md0 : ID_FS_UUID=366ac7f5-493d-4dc4-bf54-d761b477405c
sda2: ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
sdc2: ID_FS_UUID=2e95c5a4-d658-a167-cf89-181d5e6e3dc4
md1 : ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-25 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi Ben,

sorry for the long delay.

Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 03. Apr, 03:06 (+0100) geschrieben:
 On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 00:57 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
  Package: linux-base
  Version: 3
  Severity: minor
  
  Hi,
  
  during upgrade of linux-base on a testing system, I've got this message:
  
  Setting up linux-base (3) ...
  Use of uninitialized value in string eq at 
  /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1280, STDIN line 4.
 
  If you need more informations about the system, ask me.
 
 Please send the output of:
 
 /sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
 echo $device:
 /sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
 done

/dev/sda1
ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
ID_FS_LABEL=_grml_:0
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x27grml\x27:0
ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
/dev/sda2
ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
/dev/sdb
ID_FS_LABEL=Backup
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Backup
ID_FS_UUID=b270e79f-bbbd-440d-94e9-762617510982
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=b270e79f-bbbd-440d-94e9-762617510982
ID_FS_TYPE=btrfs
/dev/sdc1
ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
/dev/sdc2
ID_FS_UUID=2e95c5a4-d658-a167-cf89-181d5e6e3dc4
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=2e95c5a4-d658-a167-cf89-181d5e6e3dc4
ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
/dev/md0
ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Root
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Root
ID_FS_UUID=366ac7f5-493d-4dc4-bf54-d761b477405c
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=366ac7f5-493d-4dc4-bf54-d761b477405c
ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
/dev/sdd
ID_FS_LABEL=File
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=File
ID_FS_UUID=be255d34-e8a9-42fa-b299-e34bef4827f5
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=be255d34-e8a9-42fa-b299-e34bef4827f5
ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
/dev/md1
ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
/dev/sde
ID_FS_UUID=5f0d60a3-3e99-41eb-9be4-fb474f4ccd8d
ID_FS_UUID_ENC=5f0d60a3-3e99-41eb-9be4-fb474f4ccd8d
ID_FS_TYPE=crypto_LUKS

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-25 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 23:35 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
 Jörg Sommer hat am Mon 25. Apr, 23:21 (+0200) geschrieben:
  Ben Hutchings hat am Sun 03. Apr, 03:06 (+0100) geschrieben:
   /sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
   echo $device:
   /sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
   done
  
  /dev/sda1
  ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
  ID_FS_UUID_ENC=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
  ID_FS_LABEL=_grml_:0
  ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=\x27grml\x27:0
  ID_FS_TYPE=linux_raid_member
  /dev/sda2
  ID_FS_LABEL=Linux_Var
  ID_FS_LABEL_ENC=Linux_Var
  ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
  ID_FS_UUID_ENC=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
  ID_FS_TYPE=ext4
 
 That's strange. sda2 is a RAID member. I don't know why blkid thinks it's
 a standalone filesystem.

Yes, that's weird.

But now that I look over the code again, I think the bug you found is
not related to this information.  Does the /etc/mdadm.conf file on this
system use a device name wildcard?  The device name transition code
recognises wildcards so that it can warn that they may need to be
changed, but of course it cannot find any specific information about
them.

[...]
 Do you know which of the UUIDs should be equal? The devices are grouped
 as they belong together.

I don't know, but I guess that the md-RAID label includes the UUID of
the RAID set so that all members would have the same UUID.

 # for i in sda1 sdc1 md0 sda2 sdc2 md1; do printf '%-4s: ' $i; blkid -o udev 
 -s UUID /dev/$i G -v _ENC; done 
 sda1: ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
 sdc1: ID_FS_UUID=a59a6be1-01ac-2c7a-12ab-c8dc8e4c3255
 md0 : ID_FS_UUID=366ac7f5-493d-4dc4-bf54-d761b477405c
 sda2: ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202
 sdc2: ID_FS_UUID=2e95c5a4-d658-a167-cf89-181d5e6e3dc4
 md1 : ID_FS_UUID=60342ce9-209a-4b60-97b5-7d9309751202

So the anomaly is that for sda2 blkid shows the UUID of the filesystem
on the RAID, not the UUID of the RAID set.

Ben.

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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-02 Thread Jörg Sommer
Package: linux-base
Version: 3
Severity: minor

Hi,

during upgrade of linux-base on a testing system, I've got this message:

Setting up linux-base (3) ...
Use of uninitialized value in string eq at 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1280, STDIN line 4.

If you need more informations about the system, ask me.

Bye, Jörg


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Bug#620608: uninitialized value in string eq at postinst:1280

2011-04-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 00:57 +0200, Jörg Sommer wrote:
 Package: linux-base
 Version: 3
 Severity: minor
 
 Hi,
 
 during upgrade of linux-base on a testing system, I've got this message:
 
 Setting up linux-base (3) ...
 Use of uninitialized value in string eq at 
 /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1280, STDIN line 4.

 If you need more informations about the system, ask me.

Please send the output of:

/sbin/blkid -o device | while read device; do
echo $device:
/sbin/blkid -o udev -s LABEL -s UUID -s TYPE $device
done

Ben.

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Ben Hutchings
Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it makes it worse.


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