Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-12 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:28:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
I
 think it is only a matter of someone stepping in, and porting the mips/mipsel
 patches and configs to the linux-2.6 tree, which should not be a very
 outlandish amount of work, and i believe someone else than Thiemo could do
 this, not enabling it by default

I have a tree which builds some of the mips images for my own machines.
It only includes the patch against linux-mips and will not build things
like ip30.

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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:13:36AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:28:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
 I
  think it is only a matter of someone stepping in, and porting the 
  mips/mipsel
  patches and configs to the linux-2.6 tree, which should not be a very
  outlandish amount of work, and i believe someone else than Thiemo could do
  this, not enabling it by default
 
 I have a tree which builds some of the mips images for my own machines.
 It only includes the patch against linux-mips and will not build things
 like ip30.

Could you make an initial checkin of this, not activate it by default, but
just to give some example and basis for Thiemo (or someone else) once he has
time to work on it again.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-12 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:49:47AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
 Could you make an initial checkin of this, not activate it by default, but
 just to give some example and basis for Thiemo (or someone else) once he has
 time to work on it again.

I'm able to merge that in the next days.

Bastian

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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:08:28AM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:49:47AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
  Could you make an initial checkin of this, not activate it by default, but
  just to give some example and basis for Thiemo (or someone else) once he has
  time to work on it again.
 
 I'm able to merge that in the next days.

Ok, thanks.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Steve Langasek wrote:
 the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i
 believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month.

 That's a decision that needs to be made together with the people who will be
 doing security support for the kernel in etch.

Debian's 2.6.8 kernel contains (including the upcoming sarge2 kernels) patches
for 107 distinct security problems with a CVE ID. Given that 2.6.8 was 
introduced
in August 2004 and security support for Etch will end in December 2007 this
might very well be around 200 issues by the time support for Sarge fades out.
So, the bare numbers should make it pretty obvious why all archs should build 
out
of the linux-2.6 package.

Cheers,
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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:16:59PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 Steve Langasek wrote:
  the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i
  believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month.
 
  That's a decision that needs to be made together with the people who will be
  doing security support for the kernel in etch.
 
 Debian's 2.6.8 kernel contains (including the upcoming sarge2 kernels) patches
 for 107 distinct security problems with a CVE ID. Given that 2.6.8 was 
 introduced
 in August 2004 and security support for Etch will end in December 2007 this
 might very well be around 200 issues by the time support for Sarge fades out.
 So, the bare numbers should make it pretty obvious why all archs should build 
 out
 of the linux-2.6 package.

The real problem is, i believe, that Thiemo didn't really find the time of
will to move the mips package to the common tree. he did have objections back
last summer, but i believe we have dealt with all of them, or can shortly. I
think it is only a matter of someone stepping in, and porting the mips/mipsel
patches and configs to the linux-2.6 tree, which should not be a very
outlandish amount of work, and i believe someone else than Thiemo could do
this, not enabling it by default until Thiemo gave his approval or something,
and be done with it.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:16:59PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
 Steve Langasek wrote:
  the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i
  believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month.

  That's a decision that needs to be made together with the people who will be
  doing security support for the kernel in etch.

 Debian's 2.6.8 kernel contains (including the upcoming sarge2 kernels) patches
 for 107 distinct security problems with a CVE ID. Given that 2.6.8 was 
 introduced
 in August 2004 and security support for Etch will end in December 2007 this
 might very well be around 200 issues by the time support for Sarge fades out.
 So, the bare numbers should make it pretty obvious why all archs should build 
 out
 of the linux-2.6 package.

Sorry, but it doesn't to me.  The mips kernels, though built from a separate
source package, use the sources from the common kernel source package via a
build-dependency.  Is the impact of this two-step build process really that
significant to the security processes?  I would have thought it was a drop
in the bucket next to the work of actually preparing the security fixes
themselves, and particularly for woody/sarge where we have three major
versions of Linux running around.

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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-11 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-11 17:31]:
 The mips kernels, though built from a separate source package, use
 the sources from the common kernel source package via a
 build-dependency.

This discussion is a waste of time anyway.  There's no religious
reason why the mips kernel is not integrated in linux-2.6.  There are
currently no mips/mipsel kernels (in unstable), and those in
experimental (against 2.6.12) use their own source package since they
were not ready for integration in linux-2.6 yet (note the
'experimental' part).

Thiemo's currently moving so it might take a bit, but there'll be
mips/mipsel support in the linux-2.6 package eventually.
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remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
Hi, ...

I have been looking at the remaining linux-2.6 RC bug, in the wake of the
2.6.15 release.

There are 7 RC bugs remaining now :

  #337493: linux-2.6 2.6.14 should not move to testing unexpectedly.
  #343260: Grub: After installing linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7 grub had wrong entries
  #343443: linux-image-2.6.14-2-k7: Doesn't boot: /sys/block/hde/dev not found
  #343686: debsums: checksums mismatch + bug #343048 again
  #344515: kernel module ip2100 crashes when loading firmware on amd64-system
  #343092: linux-image configuration fails
  #343934: kernel-2.6: FTBFS on mips/experimental

Of these, #337493 ius artificial and can be closed anytime, #343260 is a
kernel-package/grub bug, #343443 and #343092 are the same yaird bug, #343686
is a kernel-package issue, and #343934 is ths's fault.

Of these only #344515 is remotely a kernel issue, and it is probably due to
the ip2100 (non-free?) firmware being 32bit only or whatever, and affects only
amd64.

There will probably be a slew of new bugs for 2.6.15, but provided the above
are moved to the right packages, and their maintainers take things in hand,
there is not anything especially worrysome remaining.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-03 Thread Martin Michlmayr
severity 343934 important
retitle 343934 please support mips
thanks

* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-03 15:24]:
   #343934: kernel-2.6: FTBFS on mips/experimental
 
 Of these, #337493 ius artificial and can be closed anytime, #343260 is a
 kernel-package/grub bug, #343443 and #343092 are the same yaird bug, #343686
 is a kernel-package issue, and #343934 is ths's fault.

This is not RC anyway given that it has never built on mips.
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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 03:31:16PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 severity 343934 important
 retitle 343934 please support mips
 thanks
 
 * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-03 15:24]:
#343934: kernel-2.6: FTBFS on mips/experimental
  
  Of these, #337493 ius artificial and can be closed anytime, #343260 is a
  kernel-package/grub bug, #343443 and #343092 are the same yaird bug, #343686
  is a kernel-package issue, and #343934 is ths's fault.
 
 This is not RC anyway given that it has never built on mips.

the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i
believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 04:17:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 03:31:16PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
  severity 343934 important
  retitle 343934 please support mips
  thanks

  * Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-03 15:24]:
 #343934: kernel-2.6: FTBFS on mips/experimental
   
   Of these, #337493 ius artificial and can be closed anytime, #343260 is a
   kernel-package/grub bug, #343443 and #343092 are the same yaird bug, 
   #343686
   is a kernel-package issue, and #343934 is ths's fault.

  This is not RC anyway given that it has never built on mips.

 the fact that the mips/mipsel guys do their own thing in their own way is i
 believe etch-RC though, and need to be solved in the next 6 month.

That's a decision that needs to be made together with the people who will be
doing security support for the kernel in etch.

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Re: remaining linux-2.6 RC bugs ...

2006-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:24:53 +0100, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 

 Of these, #337493 ius artificial and can be closed anytime, #343260
 is a kernel-package/grub bug,

Grub bug.

 #343686 is a kernel-package issue

Umm, no. This is not a kernel-package issue. kernel-package
 does not create md5sum's, presumably the user used debsums or
 something to do so, and that is what needs to be fixed.

manoj
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