Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-08 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:32:36 + Henning Makholm wrote:

> However, lsmod tells me that something called
> "nvidia_agp" is loaded; is that the one?

I don't think so.
My guess is that this module is:


CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA
  This option gives you AGP support for the GLX component of the
  XFree86 4.x on NVIDIA nForce/nForce2 chipsets.
^^
  You should say Y here if you use XFree86 3.3.6 or 4.x and want to
  use GLX or DRI.  If unsure, say N.


nForce is motherboard chipset, not a GPU.

BTW, I am running the "nv" XFree86 driver too, and without any NVidia's
binary kernel module.
No accelerated 3D graphics, but the videocard works for 2D.


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Re: PHP non-free or wrongly named?

2005-03-08 Thread Gervase Markham
David Moreno Garza wrote:
I think Joey's mail is quite good since it is just stating facts. Truth
cannot be made up, specially on free software (and non-free also) legal
issues.
It took me a long time to learn this one, but it's true - it's not just 
what you say, it's the way that you say it. I have no quibble with the 
factual content of his mail.

Gerv
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Re: Ranting...

2005-03-08 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 06:42:04PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050308 18:12]:
> > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 05:31:08PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> > > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050308 17:18]:
> > > > Many DDs only want to package their package in peace, and not get 
> > > > dragged info
> > > > a many-thousand -legal flamewar over imagined DFSG non-compliance and 
> > > > bogus
> > > > tests.
> > > 
> > > That also works the other way around: I tend more to believe that most
> > > DDs want to only package their things in peace, and not interfer with
> > > old discussions about long ago tested and found to be good tests.
> > 
> > unless those tests are used to randomly jank their packages from the 
> > archive,
> > then they will react, i believe, as i was forced to do.
> 
> I spoke about most DDs. That people not caring about freedom find the
> idea of freedom ridiculous is nothing new.

What has that to do with it ? The fact that dubious tests are used, and that
they can be used to reach wrong or not based-ont-the-DFSG decisions has
nothing to do with freedom or not freedom. And claiming that a consensus has
been reached without even giving the maintainer a chance to get in the
discussion don't help.

And i recuse your accusation that i don't care about freedom, and ask you to
either take it back, or to give real facts proving how you came to this
situation.

> And, for the record, there are already references to the desert island
> test in 2002 (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/01/msg00010.html
> for example). And I doubt that will be the youngest version of that... 
> (Though I think before that it was not always the island, but the
>  scientists in the jungle, or things like that...)

Yep, and i reject that analysis in the light of the problematic QPL clause
that got me muddled hip-deep into debian-legal 6 month ago. 

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-08 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 06:17:56AM -0800, Ben Johnson wrote:

>> After a quick search to try and find if the FSF ever
>> voiced an opinion on nv, I unfortunately only dug out
>> the well-known case against NVidia's binary kernel
>> module.

> Will any of the X nVidia support work without that binary kernel module?

As I'm typing these letters, they are being drawn on my monitor by the
"nv" driver from xserver-xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-10). I'm running a
stock Debian kernel which I assume does not include NVidia's binary
kernel module. However, lsmod tells me that something called
"nvidia_agp" is loaded; is that the one?

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Re: Let's stop feeding the NVidia cuckoo

2005-03-08 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 06:17:56AM -0800, Ben Johnson wrote:
> After a quick search to try and find if the FSF ever
> voiced an opinion on nv, I unfortunately only dug out
> the well-known case against NVidia's binary kernel
> module.

Will any of the X nVidia support work without that binary kernel module?

Thanks,

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