Re: Draft summary of Creative Commons 2.0 licenses (version 3)

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mar 20, 2005, at 00:58, Per Eric Rosén wrote:
Could it be like this: if you give someone the work in a form (not
preferred for editing|not allowing you to exec your rights in this
licence), you shall also give them the unrestricted work, or a written
offer valid for at least 3 years? I mean; isn't this very analogous to 
the
situation of binary (crippled form) vs. source, that GPL already 
adresses?
Could a similiar language help perhaps?
I think it is in the spirit of the Creative Commons licenses not to 
require a transparent copy for editing. This non-requirement makes it 
easy to apply a Creative Commons license to any work. Suppose a 
hobbyist distributes his/her musical work online as an MP3 file. Having 
to provide the tracks as separate uncompressed audio channels would be 
a serious deterrent for publishing under a CC license at all.

Therefore, I think it would be wrong to fix the Creative Commons 
licenses by smuggling in a requirement for transparent copy in a 
license update. However, I think it would make sense to introduce a new 
license element called Source or src that could be appended to any 
license that contains the ShareAlike element (eg. CC-by-sa-src).

I think the crux of the anti-DRM clause is the *legality* of exercising 
the right given by the license--not the technical ease. That is, as 
long as a possessing and operating a photocopier or a scanner and a 
piece of OCR software is not as such illegal, it should be permissible 
to provide someone with only a printed copy of a literary work licensed 
under Creative Commons license. On the other hand, providing someone 
with only a CSS-scrambled DVD of a Creative Commons-licensed work 
should not be OK.

To give an even more glaring example: Distributing a literary work as a 
PDF where all the text has been converted to vector graphics should be 
permissible, but distributing the literary work as a PDF where all the 
/ToUnicode tables are in place but the do not print and do not 
extract text the flags have been set should not be permitted. In the 
latter case, extracting the text is technically easier. That is not the 
point. The point is that misguided legislation could ban the possession 
of software that does not of honor the DRM flags.

I think the anti-DRM (or rather anti-anti-circumvention) clause should 
make the point that:
You do not have to provide a copy of the Work or the Derivative Work to 
everyone, but when you do provide a copy to someone, you must not take 
measures the circumvention of which would be both illegal in the 
supported jurisdictions and required for exercising the rights given by 
the license, unless you also simultaneously provide a copy without such 
measures.

There is no politically correct way of defining supported 
jurisdictions, but it should include the jurisdictions with iCommons 
licenses and should probably not include North Korea.

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Re: Draft summary of Creative Commons 2.0 licenses (version 3)

2005-03-20 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
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With the exception of the proposed fix for the DRM language (my problems
with it have been pointed out by others), I support this summary and
strongly encourage Creative Commons to resolve these issues.
Subject: Draft summary of Creative Commons 2.0 licenses (version 3)
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:28:24 -0500
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