Re: License requiring to reproduce copyrights in binary distributions.

2009-07-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 10:02:42PM +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit :
 
 If you are convinced that a public-domain-like situation is actually
 desirable, then, AFAIK, the best way to achieve it is the Creative
 Commons public domain dedication [1], or possibly CC0 [2].
 
 [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
 [2] http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode

Hi Francesco,

since CC0 is recommended over the PD dedication, I will use CC0.
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0

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Re: Does the ISC license require to reproduce copyrights in debian/copyright ?

2009-07-04 Thread Charles Plessy
 On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:19:29 +0900 Charles Plessy wrote:
  Does this concern binary distribution: is a compiled version a “copy”?

Le Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 10:10:29PM +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit :
 
 Why not?  I personally think that a compiled copy of the software is
 indeed a copy.
 What other term would you use to describe the compiled thing?
 It is my understanding that a compiled version of the software is a
 copy of the software (in compiled form).

Le Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 09:45:39AM +1000, Ben Finney a écrit :
 
 I think of it more as a translation into another language. It's an
 automated, mechanical translation though, so unlike most human-language
 translated works, there's no creativity in the translation step.

I am quite undecided between the possible interpretations. But maybe this
question was already judged somewhere ?

Have a nice week-end,

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Re: Does the ISC license require to reproduce copyrights in debian/copyright ?

2009-07-04 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:45:39 +1000 Ben Finney wrote:

 Francesco Poli f...@firenze.linux.it writes:
 
  On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:19:29 +0900 Charles Plessy wrote:
  
  [...]
   Does this concern binary distribution: is a compiled version a
   “copy”?
  
  Why not? I personally think that a compiled copy of the software is
  indeed a copy.
 
 There's little to connect the two forms. If given a bunch of bytes and a
 bundle of source code, in many cases it would not be easy to say whether
 one was a compiled version of the other. That makes it rather unlike
 what most people would mean by “copy”.

Wait, wait: I think there's some sort of misunderstanding here between
you and me (I am sorry for not being always crystal clear: I am not an
English native speaker, hence I sometimes fail to choose the best
phrasing to express my thoughts...).

I *agree* with you that the compiled form of the software should *not*
be called a copy of the source form.

What I meant was: IMHO a copy of the compiled form of the software
*does* qualify as a copy of the software (in compiled form,
obviously, but that doesn't imply that it's not a copy of the same
software).

Let's bear in mind that we are discussing the following ISC license
clause:

| Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any
 ^
| purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above
| copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
 ^

What Charles was wondering was whether compiled versions are or are not
subject to the obligation to be shipped with copyright  permission
notice.

I think that a compiled version of the software is indeed a copy of the
software (just in a different form than the source code version).

Or, to be more explicit:

 (a) you get a compiled version of the software by processing the
source code of the software (with a compiler): what you get is the same
piece of software, just in a different form

 (b) when binary distribution is in place, a recipient gets a copy of
the compiled version: that copy qualifies as a copy of the software (in
compiled form).

Step (a) is a mechanical transformation that does not create a new
distinct work: from a copyright point of view, no derivative work is
created, just another form of the same work.  Step (b) creates a copy
of the compiled form of the work.


An example that should clarify further: many people get copies of
compiled versions of Microsoft Windows (from retailers, from hardware
manufacturers, and so forth): this is commonly described as getting a
copy of Windows, even though the source form is jealously kept secret
by Microsoft.

I hope I clarified what I meant.


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