Re: Question about the criteria for a library to be in contrib

2011-04-05 Thread Hendrik Weimer
Michael Wild  writes:

> So, this means that ViennaCL must Depends: on some OpenCL
> implementation. Currently the only one packaged in Debian (still in
> experimental) I can find is the one from NVIDIA. So, this probably means
> then that it really has to go into contrib, right?

Unfortunately, yes. It is really sad that there is currently no usable free
GPGPU solution available.

Hendrik


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Re: Question about the criteria for a library to be in contrib

2011-04-05 Thread Michael Wild
On 04/05/2011 03:05 PM, Hendrik Weimer wrote:
> Michael Wild  writes:
> 
>> On 04/05/2011 03:23 AM, Hendrik Weimer wrote:
>>> Michael Wild  writes:
>>>
 I find this hard to believe, since the package only uses the free
 and publicly available API defined by the Khronos group and it is
 up to the user of the package against which implementation of
 OpenCL he wishes to link.
>>>
>>> How is this different from Java before OpenJDK was released?
>>
>> I think it is different because the package will only contain source
>> code. It hasn't been processed by or linked against any proprietary,
>> non-free software. Of course, one could argue that it is implicitly tied
>> to non-free software since there is currently no alternative. So, for
>> me, this is kind of a conundrum :-)
> 
> The question is whether one can use ViennaCL without an OpenCL
> implementation. If not, then the ViennaCL package must depend on an
> OpenCL package, no matter whether it is source code only or not.
> 
>> BTW, there is a free implementation of OpenCL in the works in Mesa,
>> called Clover [1]. However, I'm not sure how far along it is and how
>> active it is, the last commit is from late November, last year.
> 
> If Clover gets packaged and you can use ViennaCL with it, I see no
> problem for the latter to go into main.
> 
> Hendrik

So, this means that ViennaCL must Depends: on some OpenCL
implementation. Currently the only one packaged in Debian (still in
experimental) I can find is the one from NVIDIA. So, this probably means
then that it really has to go into contrib, right? Reading the ITP for
the OpenCL headers [1] also confirms this.

Thanks for the help

Michael

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598477


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Re: Question about the criteria for a library to be in contrib

2011-04-05 Thread Hendrik Weimer
Michael Wild  writes:

> On 04/05/2011 03:23 AM, Hendrik Weimer wrote:
>> Michael Wild  writes:
>> 
>>> I find this hard to believe, since the package only uses the free
>>> and publicly available API defined by the Khronos group and it is
>>> up to the user of the package against which implementation of
>>> OpenCL he wishes to link.
>> 
>> How is this different from Java before OpenJDK was released?
>
> I think it is different because the package will only contain source
> code. It hasn't been processed by or linked against any proprietary,
> non-free software. Of course, one could argue that it is implicitly tied
> to non-free software since there is currently no alternative. So, for
> me, this is kind of a conundrum :-)

The question is whether one can use ViennaCL without an OpenCL
implementation. If not, then the ViennaCL package must depend on an
OpenCL package, no matter whether it is source code only or not.

> BTW, there is a free implementation of OpenCL in the works in Mesa,
> called Clover [1]. However, I'm not sure how far along it is and how
> active it is, the last commit is from late November, last year.

If Clover gets packaged and you can use ViennaCL with it, I see no
problem for the latter to go into main.

Hendrik


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