Re: CC0 and authors' names in Copyright field
Il 02/10/2013 01:40, Charles Plessy ha scritto: As for CC0, as Ben explained, it is a license, and the simplest is to list the copyright holders as for other licenses. Hi, thanks for the suggestion. (BTW, is the fact that CC0 is a licence rather than a dedication an accepted POW? I thought it was still an open question.) Could the copyright-format page [1] be changed to state more explicitly that the Copyright field should list the names of the authors even in the case of public domain works (or works licensed via CC0)? I would like to file a bug report but I do not see which package I should use for that. Regards, [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ -- Gioele Barabucci gio...@svario.it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l2gj6i$q02$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: CC0 and authors' names in Copyright field
Gioele Barabucci gio...@svario.it writes: thanks for the suggestion. (BTW, is the fact that CC0 is a licence rather than a dedication an accepted POW? I thought it was still an open question.) The conservative position, since the current copyright regime makes it extremely difficult to divest a work of copyright, is to assume the work remains under copyright restrictions even with the CC0 dedication. Regardless, the DEP-5 standard treats CC0 as a “license”, so if you want to conform to that standard, that's the place to put the information. Could the copyright-format page [1] be changed to state more explicitly that the Copyright field should list the names of the authors even in the case of public domain works (or works licensed via CC0)? I don't see that follows from what we've discussed. The document states explicitly that in the case of a public domain work you *don't* need to list copyright holders:: Fields […] Copyright […] If a work has no copyright holder (i.e., it is in the public domain), that information should be recorded here. You should specify the license as CC0, you should give the text of the CC0 grant (the text which says the recipient has the rights described by CC0) in the License field body. If you've got documentation that the work has no copyright holder, that's the documentary information to put in the “Copyright” field. -- \ “… whoever claims any right that he is unwilling to accord to | `\ his fellow-men is dishonest and infamous.” —Robert G. | _o__) Ingersoll, _The Liberty of Man, Woman and Child_, 1877 | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7wob78qeyl@benfinney.id.au
Re: CC0 and authors' names in Copyright field
On 02/10/13 08:49, Gioele Barabucci wrote: (BTW, is the fact that CC0 is a licence rather than a dedication an accepted POW? I thought it was still an open question.) My understanding is that it's both, stuck together, in one convenient document - to work around the jurisdictions where you can't relinquish copyright, and the jurisdictions where it's unclear whether you can or not. The tl;dr version of CC0 is if my jurisdiction lets me put this work in the public domain, I'm doing that, and if not, you may copy/modify it under this very broad permissive license. The quantum superposition won't collapse unless it becomes relevant to a court case :-) S -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/524c00e4.4080...@debian.org
Re: CC0 and authors' names in Copyright field
Il 02/10/2013 10:01, Ben Finney ha scritto: Could the copyright-format page [1] be changed to state more explicitly that the Copyright field should list the names of the authors even in the case of public domain works (or works licensed via CC0)? I don't see that follows from what we've discussed. The document states explicitly that in the case of a public domain work you *don't* need to list copyright holders:: Fields […] Copyright […] If a work has no copyright holder (i.e., it is in the public domain), that information should be recorded here. You should specify the license as CC0, you should give the text of the CC0 grant (the text which says the recipient has the rights described by CC0) in the License field body. If you've got documentation that the work has no copyright holder, that's the documentary information to put in the “Copyright” field. I'm sorry but I fear that my main message did not came across. I will try reformulating my question with a example. We have the case of software foobar released by John Doe using the licence CC0. foobar is not in the public domain (John Doe is well alive) but something similar, given the use of CC0. We want to package foobar. What should we write in debian/copyright? Solution 1 (no names in the Copyright field: Files: * Copyright: Public domain (CC0) License: CC0 License: CC0 Creative Commons Legal Code [... rest of the CC0 text ...] Solution 2 (names in the Copyright field): Files: * Copyright: Dedicated to the public domain (CC) by John Doe License: CC0 License: CC0 Creative Commons Legal Code [... rest of the CC0 text ...] Or is there an even better third solution? Bye, -- Gioele Barabucci gio...@svario.it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l2i82b$h09$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: CC0 and authors' names in Copyright field
Gioele Barabucci gio...@svario.it writes: I'm sorry but I fear that my main message did not came across. I will try reformulating my question with a example. Thank you. We have the case of software foobar released by John Doe using the licence CC0. foobar is not in the public domain (John Doe is well alive) but something similar, given the use of CC0. Right. The Debian standard format for ‘debian/copyright’ treats CC0 as a license, and has a keyword for that license. We want to package foobar. What should we write in debian/copyright? If you have compelling written evidence that the work has no copyright holder, put that exact wording in the Copyright field. If, as I think will be much more likely, the work has copyright holders anyway, list those in the Copyright field. -- \ “I went over to the neighbor's and asked to borrow a cup of | `\ salt. ‘What are you making?’ ‘A salt lick.’” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7w38ojqnck@benfinney.id.au
Re: CC0 and authors' names in Copyright field
Le Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 09:49:46AM +0200, Gioele Barabucci a écrit : Could the copyright-format page [1] be changed to state more explicitly that the Copyright field should list the names of the authors even in the case of public domain works (or works licensed via CC0)? I would like to file a bug report but I do not see which package I should use for that. [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ Hi, the machine-readable specification is contained in the debian-policy package, and there is already a bug opened on that matter. http://bugs.debian.org/694883 Le Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 12:52:02AM +0200, Gioele Barabucci a écrit : Solution 2 (names in the Copyright field): Files: * Copyright: Dedicated to the public domain (CC) by John Doe License: CC0 License: CC0 Creative Commons Legal Code [... rest of the CC0 text ...] Or is there an even better third solution? Solution 2 is fine; Copyright: [year] John Doe would be enough as well. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131003000653.ga23...@falafel.plessy.net
