Re: Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license
Walter Landry writes: > Ian Jackson wrote: > > My personal view is that there would be no problem shipping the PDF, > > even though Debian's users would have no practical ability to modify > > this PDF. Making a modified version of a scientific paper like this > > one is neither useful, nor, unless especial care is taken, ethical. > > As someone who reads and writes papers, this is not true. Reusing > figures for talks and other papers is immensely useful. Copying the > LaTeX for an equation can also be quite helpful. This paper has both > of these elements. It is not like it is hard to add the attribution > required by the license. In addition to those important use cases of partial re-use, there are more. For example, re-rendering the source document (without significant modification) to a different format is highly valuable, and is thwarted when the source document is not made available to recipients. All of these are useful, and ethically sound, uses that require equal access to the source document. -- \ “I cannot conceive that anybody will require multiplications at | `\ the rate of 40,000 or even 4,000 per hour …” —F. H. Wales, 1936 | _o__) | Ben Finney
Re: Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Rafael Laboissière wrote: > [Please, Cc to me, since I am not subscribed to debian-legal.] Done. > I am considering to package Divand [1], an add-on package for Octave. The > current upstream tarball [2] contains a PDF file [3] with the following > copyright and licensing conditions: "© Author(s) 2014. CC Attribution 3.0 > License." > > Would it be okay to include this file in the Debian package? You can find answers to this question in the FTP-master reject FAQ: https://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html > Source missing: > > Your package contains files that need source but do not have it. > These include PDF and PS files in the documentation, or auto-generated files. > > Generated files > Your package contains generated files (such as compressed .js libraries) > without > corresponding original form. They're not considered as the preferred form of > modification, so you will either have to provide corresponding original form, > or remove them from your tarball, eventually depending on an already > available packages to provide missing features. Based on the other replies you got, the PDF is clearly a generated, sourceless file that the ftp-masters would reject having in Debian. Personally, I would suggest talking to the author of the paper to provide their sources and other data publicly. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Re: Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license
Le Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 04:38:06PM -0700, Walter Landry a écrit : > Ian Jackson wrote: > > My personal view is that there would be no problem shipping the PDF, > > even though Debian's users would have no practical ability to modify > > this PDF. Making a modified version of a scientific paper like this > > one is neither useful, nor, unless especial care is taken, ethical. > > As someone who reads and writes papers, this is not true. Reusing > figures for talks and other papers is immensely useful. Copying the > LaTeX for an equation can also be quite helpful. This paper has both > of these elements. It is not like it is hard to add the attribution > required by the license. Hi all definitely, when the source is LaTeX, it is tempting to ask the authors or the publisher if they can provide it. Indeed, the document discussed here was produced from a latex source. pdfinfo gmd-7-225-2014.pdf Title: Subject: Keywords: Author: Creator:copernicus.cls Producer: pdfeTeX-1.303 CreationDate: Wed Jan 29 10:06:49 2014 Tagged: no UserProperties: no Suspects: no Form: none JavaScript: no Pages: 17 Encrypted: no Page size: 595.276 x 785.197 pts Page rot: 0 File size: 1329711 bytes Optimized: no PDF version:1.4 But let's also consider the extra work demanded to the authors and package maintainers. In some case, perhaps quite frequently, the final action taken will be that the package maintainer will remove the PDF from the package, because the author and the publisher will favour the solution that is zero work to them. But I would also argue, it is zero gain for the user. These PDFs are available on line, so deleting them puts no pressure on the ecosystem to force the authors to request that the publisher share their build system and then integrate them in their sofware package. So my personal point of view is that shipping the PDF in the source package is harmless, shipping it in a binary package is close to useless, and we should let the package maintainer chose the solution that he finds most suitable. Have a nice day, Charles -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
Re: Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license
Ian Jackson wrote: > My personal view is that there would be no problem shipping the PDF, > even though Debian's users would have no practical ability to modify > this PDF. Making a modified version of a scientific paper like this > one is neither useful, nor, unless especial care is taken, ethical. As someone who reads and writes papers, this is not true. Reusing figures for talks and other papers is immensely useful. Copying the LaTeX for an equation can also be quite helpful. This paper has both of these elements. It is not like it is hard to add the attribution required by the license. Cheers, Walter Landry
Re: Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license
Rafael Laboissière writes ("Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license"):
> [Please, Cc to me, since I am not subscribed to debian-legal.]
>
> I am considering to package Divand [1], an add-on package for Octave. The
> current upstream tarball [2] contains a PDF file [3] with the following
> copyright and licensing conditions: "© Author(s) 2014. CC Attribution 3.0
> License."
>
> Would it be okay to include this file in the Debian package?
AFAICT this PDF is a scientific paper. The source code (typesetter
input file or whatever) is not provided, and while modifying it would
be permitted by the CC-BY copyright licence, it would be awkward using
just the PDF.
My personal view is that there would be no problem shipping the PDF,
even though Debian's users would have no practical ability to modify
this PDF. Making a modified version of a scientific paper like this
one is neither useful, nor, unless especial care is taken, ethical.
Our users would be better served by getting a copy of the paper than
by having you remove it.
But Debian has taken the view that even documents like this one must
be fully free, and even removed from the source package. So you will
need to strip it out of the source package and make a "dfsg" orig
tarball.
Sorry. I think this is daft. Debian does at least permit you to
include a link to somewhere else the paper may be found.
Regards,
Ian.
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Inclusion of PDF with CC Attr 3.0 license
[Please, Cc to me, since I am not subscribed to debian-legal.] I am considering to package Divand [1], an add-on package for Octave. The current upstream tarball [2] contains a PDF file [3] with the following copyright and licensing conditions: "© Author(s) 2014. CC Attribution 3.0 License." Would it be okay to include this file in the Debian package? Best, Rafael Laboissière [1] http://modb.oce.ulg.ac.be/mediawiki/index.php/Divand [2] http://downloads.sourceforge.net/octave/divand-1.1.2.tar.gz?download [3] http://www.geosci-model-dev.net/7/225/2014/gmd-7-225-2014.pdf
