Re: TrueType/OpenType and anti-circumvention laws

[Paul Wise]

On Mon, 2024-01-15 at 06:05 -0500, P. J. McDermott wrote:

> Paul Wise mentioned[8] on the fonts team list in 2021 a couple programs
> ("embed"[9], a derivative "ttembed"[10], and "ttfpatch"[11]) that unset
> the DRM/TPM bits, enabling full use of the fonts.  "embed" was written
> by a font designer who noticed that his fonts had restrictive embedding
> permissions and that a tool he used (which was intended for font users,
> not designers) didn't allow lowering the restrictions.

PS: for thread completeness, I note the embed author recieved DMCA
legal threats, but did not remove the tool from their website:

http://carnage-melon.tom7.org/embed/dmca.html

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise


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Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Walter Landry]

Andreas Metzler  writes:
> On 2024-02-04 Muhammad Yaaseen  wrote:
>> The question is once we install the libboost .deb packages into a
>> system, the copyright file for each libboost package is stored
>> separately in /usr/shared/doc/packages folder. I'm think of
>> hardlinking these copyright files so that we same some memory. Is this
>> legally allowed. 
> [...]
>
> The canonical solution would be to add libboost-commonx.xx containing
> what is currently found in /usr/share/doc/libboost-foox.xx and symlink
> the whole directory. You'll probably need to make libboost-commonx.xx
> arch all to be binNMU compatible.

Another solution would be to add the Boost license to
/usr/share/common-licenses.  Running

  ls /usr/share/doc/*/copyright | xargs -n 100 grep "Boost Software License" | 
wc -l

on my bookworm system finds it in 225 packages, of which 160 are not a
libboost* package.

Cheers,
Walter Landry

Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Andreas Metzler]

On 2024-02-04 Andreas Metzler  wrote:
[...]

> The canonical solution would be to add libboost-commonx.xx containing
> what is currently found in /usr/share/doc/libboost-foox.xx and symlink
> the whole directory. You'll probably need to make libboost-commonx.xx
> arch all to be binNMU compatible.
   ^^^

arch *any* obviously, not "all".

Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Andreas Metzler]

On 2024-02-04 Muhammad Yaaseen  wrote:
> The question is once we install the libboost .deb packages into a
> system, the copyright file for each libboost package is stored
> separately in /usr/shared/doc/packages folder. I'm think of
> hardlinking these copyright files so that we same some memory. Is this
> legally allowed. 
[...]

The canonical solution would be to add libboost-commonx.xx containing
what is currently found in /usr/share/doc/libboost-foox.xx and symlink
the whole directory. You'll probably need to make libboost-commonx.xx
arch all to be binNMU compatible.

cu Andreas
-- 
`What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin. His other friends are
so grateful to you.'
`I sew his ears on from time to time, sure'

RE: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Muhammad Yaaseen]

Hi, 

The question is once we install the libboost .deb packages into a system, the 
copyright file for each libboost package is stored separately in 
/usr/shared/doc/packages folder. These copyright files are all the same. I'm 
think of hardlinking these copyright files so that we same some memory. Is this 
legally allowed. 

Regards
Yaaseen

-Original Message-
From: Steve Langasek  
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 3:07 PM
To: Muhammad Yaaseen 
Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 05:38:57AM +, Muhammad Yaaseen wrote:

> we see that the copyright for libboost debian packages are 2MB each 
> and are all the same.  as per 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html section 
> 12.5 012.5> we are not allowed to create symbolic links.  the doubt I have 
> is whether I can hardlink these files and reduce the memory 
> utilization.

This isn't really a legal question; as a practical matter, it is not possible 
to ship cross-package hardlinks in .deb packages.

-- 
Steve Langasek   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer   https://www.debian.org/
slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org

Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Steve Langasek]

On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 10:50:43AM +, Muhammad Yaaseen wrote:

> The question is once we install the libboost .deb packages into a system,
> the copyright file for each libboost package is stored separately in
> /usr/shared/doc/packages folder.  I'm think of hardlinking these copyright
> files so that we same some memory.  Is this legally allowed.

Sorry, but this is also not a mailing list for providing legal advice to end
users.  If you are concerned about the legality of what you are doing
downstream of Debian, you should consult your own lawyer.

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Langasek  
> Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 3:07 PM
> To: Muhammad Yaaseen 
> Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: hard linking libboost copyright files
> 
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 05:38:57AM +, Muhammad Yaaseen wrote:
> 
> > we see that the copyright for libboost debian packages are 2MB each 
> > and are all the same.  as per 
> > https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html section 
> > 12.5 > 012.5> we are not allowed to create symbolic links.  the doubt I have 
> > is whether I can hardlink these files and reduce the memory 
> > utilization.
> 
> This isn't really a legal question; as a practical matter, it is not possible 
> to ship cross-package hardlinks in .deb packages.
> 
> -- 
> Steve Langasek   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
> Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
> Ubuntu Developer   https://www.debian.org/
> slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org
> 

-- 
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Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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RE: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Muhammad Yaaseen]

Hi Steve, 

The question is once we install the libboost .deb packages into a system, the 
copyright file for each libboost package is stored separately in 
/usr/shared/doc/packages folder. I'm think of hardlinking these copyright files 
so that we same some memory. Is this legally allowed. 

Regards
Yaaseen

-Original Message-
From: Steve Langasek  
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 3:07 PM
To: Muhammad Yaaseen 
Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 05:38:57AM +, Muhammad Yaaseen wrote:

> we see that the copyright for libboost debian packages are 2MB each 
> and are all the same.  as per 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html section 
> 12.5 012.5> we are not allowed to create symbolic links.  the doubt I have 
> is whether I can hardlink these files and reduce the memory 
> utilization.

This isn't really a legal question; as a practical matter, it is not possible 
to ship cross-package hardlinks in .deb packages.

-- 
Steve Langasek   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer   https://www.debian.org/
slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org

Re: hard linking libboost copyright files

[Steve Langasek]

On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 05:38:57AM +, Muhammad Yaaseen wrote:

> we see that the copyright for libboost debian packages are 2MB each and
> are all the same.  as per
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html section
> 12.5
> we are not allowed to create symbolic links.  the doubt I have is whether
> I can hardlink these files and reduce the memory utilization.

This isn't really a legal question; as a practical matter, it is not
possible to ship cross-package hardlinks in .deb packages.

-- 
Steve Langasek   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer   https://www.debian.org/
slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org


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hard linking libboost copyright files

[Muhammad Yaaseen]

Hi,

we see that the copyright for libboost debian packages are 2MB each and are all 
the same. as per https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html section 
12.5 we 
are not allowed to create symbolic links. the doubt I have is whether I can 
hardlink these files and reduce the memory utilization.

Regards
Yaaseen