Re: [Pkg-pascal-devel] DFSG-ness of two

2015-05-31 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 31 May 2015 14:11:43 +0200 Paul Gevers wrote:

[...]
  The second license appears to be clearly non-free: it fails to
  explicitly grant permission to copy, redistribute, and modify (it just
  talks about using, which is a vague term)
 
 Are you sure? Clause 3 says:
 3) If you modify and/or distribute the code to any third party then you
 must not veil the original author. To me this says that you are allowed
 to modify and distribute, just not veil authorship.

That's what I said: it fails to *explicitly* grant permission to copy,
redistribute, and modify; it just *implicitly* says that you allowed
to modify and distribute.

 Is even this not enough?

It *may* be considered to be more or less enough, although it lacks some
clarity (which would be much much appreciated, lest we later face some
unexpected contorted interpretation of a non-clear license text...).

 Indeed, it doesn't mention copy. This doesn't help the
 unfreeness about selling it.

And this is the main reason why I think this second license fails to
meet the DFSG: it forbids anyone to sell aggregate software
distributions containing the file, as I have already said.

 
  I recommend you to get in touch with the copyright owner of this second
  file and try to persuade him to re-license the file under DFSG-free
  terms, such as, for instance, the Expat license [2].
 
 I will.

Thanks a lot, this is very appreciated.

Bye.


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Re: [Pkg-pascal-devel] DFSG-ness of two

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi Francesco,

On 29-05-15 23:07, Francesco Poli wrote:
 Second:
 Windows XP Theme Manager is freeware. You may freely use it in any
 software, including commercial software, provided you accept the
 following conditions:
 1) The software may not be included into component collections and
 similar compilations which are sold. If you want to distribute this
 software for money then contact me first and ask for my permission.
 [...]
 
 The second license appears to be clearly non-free: it fails to
 explicitly grant permission to copy, redistribute, and modify (it just
 talks about using, which is a vague term)

Are you sure? Clause 3 says:
3) If you modify and/or distribute the code to any third party then you
must not veil the original author. To me this says that you are allowed
to modify and distribute, just not veil authorship. Is even this not
enough? Indeed, it doesn't mention copy. This doesn't help the
unfreeness about selling it.

 I recommend you to get in touch with the copyright owner of this second
 file and try to persuade him to re-license the file under DFSG-free
 terms, such as, for instance, the Expat license [2].

I will.

Paul



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