Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-23 Thread Jari Aalto 
2016-10-22 14:55 Paul Tagliamonte :
| Quote me on this:
| 
| ISC meets the DFSG, with my ftp hat on.

Thanks Paul for confirming. Other can now found the infor at
https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#ISC_license

Jari

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-22 Thread Paul Tagliamonte 
Quote me on this:

ISC meets the DFSG, with my ftp hat on.

On Oct 22, 2016 12:46 PM, "Ben Finney"  wrote:

> Jari Aalto  writes:
>
> > Excellent summary Ben.
>
> Thank you for saying so.
>
> > Do you think, if it would be good if I added note about ISC license to
> > the Debian License information page[1] and point it to this thread for
> > future reference?
>
> No, I think my assessment is one person's opinion. It is based on no
> legal expertise. What you propose would give it too much authority.
>
> Better to seek a package using these license terms that the FTP Masters
> have expressed a position on; if that doesn't exist, mine is not a
> substitute :-)
>
> --
>  \“Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from |
>   `\  bad judgement.” —Frederick P. Brooks |
> _o__)  |
> Ben Finney
>
>

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-22 Thread Thorsten Alteholz 

Hi Jari,

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Jari Aalto wrote:

Do you think, if it would be good if I added note about ISC
license to the Debian License information page[1] and point
it to this thread for future reference?


yes, please do. I wonder why nobody has done that before.

Thanks!
 Thorsten

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-22 Thread Ben Finney 
Jari Aalto  writes:

> Excellent summary Ben.

Thank you for saying so.

> Do you think, if it would be good if I added note about ISC license to
> the Debian License information page[1] and point it to this thread for
> future reference?

No, I think my assessment is one person's opinion. It is based on no
legal expertise. What you propose would give it too much authority.

Better to seek a package using these license terms that the FTP Masters
have expressed a position on; if that doesn't exist, mine is not a
substitute :-)

-- 
 \“Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from |
  `\  bad judgement.” —Frederick P. Brooks |
_o__)  |
Ben Finney

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-22 Thread Jari Aalto 
2016-10-21 22:42 Ben Finney :
| Jari Aalto  writes:
|
| > The agrep software is currently in non-free. Latest code
| > appears to have moved under ISC License[1]
|
| > [1] http://webglimpse.net/sublicensing/licensing.html
| All required DFSG freedoms are granted by this text.
|
| The conditions do not impose any non-free restrictions.
|
| By my reading, the grant and conditions are exactly equivalent to the
| well-understood Expat license grant and conditions.
|
| This work, provided its complete license grant and conditions was only
| the above text, would IMO be uncontroversially DFSG-free.

Excellent summary Ben.

Do you think, if it would be good if I added note about ISC
license to the Debian License information page[1] and point
it to this thread for future reference?

Jari

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-21 Thread Ben Finney 
Jari Aalto  writes:

> The agrep software is currently in non-free. Latest code
> appears to have moved under ISC License[1]

Thank you for including the full text of the grant of license, and the
license conditions.

> [1] http://webglimpse.net/sublicensing/licensing.html
>
> (...) Webglimpse and Glimpse are available under the ISC
> open source license (...)
>
> Anyone distributing the Glimpse code should include the
> following license:
>
> Copyright 1996, Arizona Board of Regents on behalf of The
> University of Arizona.
>
> Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this
> software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby
> granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this
> permission notice appear in all copies.
>
> [WARRANTY DISCLAIMER IN SHOUTY CAPITALS]

All required DFSG freedoms are granted by this text.

The conditions do not impose any non-free restrictions.

By my reading, the grant and conditions are exactly equivalent to the
well-understood Expat license grant and conditions.


This work, provided its complete license grant and conditions was only
the above text, would IMO be uncontroversially DFSG-free.

Thank you for pursuing effective software freedom for Debian recipients
of this work.

-- 
 \   “Faith is the determination to remain ignorant in the face of |
  `\ all evidence that you are ignorant.” —Shaun Mason |
_o__)  |
Ben Finney

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-21 Thread Jeff Epler 
At least one package in Debian main, xombrero, has files listed in
debian/copyright as "License: ISC". (it is orphaned, but the reasons are
unrelated to the license)

http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/x/xombrero/unstable_copyright

Jeff

Re: Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-21 Thread Andrew Shadura 
On 21/10/16 11:31, Jari Aalto wrote:
> The agrep software is currently in non-free. Latest code
> appears to have moved under ISC License[1] and I'd like to know
> if the code can now be moved to main.

Yes.

-- 
Cheers,
  Andrew

Is ISC License considered DFSG free?

2016-10-21 Thread Jari Aalto 

Der Debian legal mailing list members,

The agrep software is currently in non-free. Latest code
appears to have moved under ISC License[1] and I'd like to know
if the code can now be moved to main.

Here is test recorded to SPDX database[2]:

ISC License:

Copyright (c) 2004-2010 by Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. ("ISC")
Copyright (c) 1995-2003 by Internet Software Consortium

Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this
software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby
granted, provided that the above copyright notice and
this permission notice appear in all copies.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND ISC DISCLAIMS ALL
WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO
EVENT SHALL ISC BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT,
INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES
WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS,
WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER
TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH
THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE.


Thanks,
Jari

[1] http://webglimpse.net/sublicensing/licensing.html

(...) Webglimpse and Glimpse are available under the ISC
open source license (...)

Anyone distributing the Glimpse code should include the
following license:

Copyright 1996, Arizona Board of Regents on behalf of The
University of Arizona.

Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this
software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby
granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this
permission notice appear in all copies.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS
ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO
EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT,
INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN
ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION,
ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE
OF THIS SOFTWARE.

[2] https://spdx.org/licenses/ISC