Assign or license rights? was: RE: What are the tests? was: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: MongoDB Server Side Public License, Version 1 (SSPL v1)
Thank you! I especially like the Tentacles of Evil test. :) Thanks, Cem Karan From: Paul R. Tagliamonte [paul...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 8:51 AM To: Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) Cc: Xavier; debian-legal Subject: Re: What are the tests? was: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: MongoDB Server Side Public License, Version 1 (SSPL v1) All active links contained in this email were disabled. Please verify the identity of the sender, and confirm the authenticity of all links contained within the message prior to copying and pasting the address to a Web browser. Caution-https://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html < Caution-https://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html > Beware these are proxy cases for dfsg criteria and not criteria themselves. Paul On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 8:48 AM Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) mailto:cem.f.karan@mail.mil > > wrote: On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM, Xavier wrote: >Le 16/10/2018 à 22:44, Florian Weimer a écrit : >> * Xavier: >> >>>> From: Eliot Horowitz mailto:el...@mongodb.com >>>> > > >>>> Date: Tue Oct 16 13:03:02 UTC 2018 >>>> Subject: [License-review] Approval: Server Side Public License, >>>> Version 1 (SSPL v1) >>>> ... >>>> “If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version >>>> available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service >>>> Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, >>>> under the terms of this License. Making the functionality of the >>>> Program or modified version available to third parties as a service >>>> includes, without limitation, enabling third parties to interact with >>>> the functionality of the Program or modified version remotely through >>>> a computer network, offering a service the value of which entirely or >>>> primarily derives from the value of the Program or modified version, >>>> or offering a service that accomplishes for users the primary purpose >>>> of the Software or modified version. >>> >>> I feel this part fails against the dissident test but I could be wrong. >> >> I think you are right, but the test >> https://wiki.debian.org/DissidentTest < >> Caution-https://wiki.debian.org/DissidentTest > > >> is not formally part of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. > >Right but as DFSG is just a guideline, my opinion is that: > - formal success to DFSG is not enough (else we would have to change > them more often, which would create detrimental instability), > - if one of the 3 tests fails, we leave with an unfavorable opinion to > start the discussion here. > >In this case, I feel that upstream team wants to limit freedom of their >software while remaining just at the limit of the rules. > >So for now, my feeling> is that it's not in the spirit of DFSG, while >respecting the words. Forgive me for sidetracking this conversation, but what are the 3 tests? I found the Desert Island Test, but not the third one. Thanks, Cem Karan
Re: What are the tests? was: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: MongoDB Server Side Public License, Version 1 (SSPL v1)
https://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html Beware these are proxy cases for dfsg criteria and not criteria themselves. Paul On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 8:48 AM Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) < cem.f.karan@mail.mil> wrote: > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM, Xavier wrote: > >Le 16/10/2018 à 22:44, Florian Weimer a écrit : > >> * Xavier: > >> > From: Eliot Horowitz > Date: Tue Oct 16 13:03:02 UTC 2018 > Subject: [License-review] Approval: Server Side Public License, > Version 1 (SSPL v1) > ... > “If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version > available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service > Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, > under the terms of this License. Making the functionality of the > Program or modified version available to third parties as a service > includes, without limitation, enabling third parties to interact with > the functionality of the Program or modified version remotely through > a computer network, offering a service the value of which entirely or > primarily derives from the value of the Program or modified version, > or offering a service that accomplishes for users the primary purpose > of the Software or modified version. > >>> > >>> I feel this part fails against the dissident test but I could be wrong. > >> > >> I think you are right, but the test https://wiki.debian.org/DissidentTest> > >> is not formally part of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. > > > >Right but as DFSG is just a guideline, my opinion is that: > > - formal success to DFSG is not enough (else we would have to change > > them more often, which would create detrimental instability), > > - if one of the 3 tests fails, we leave with an unfavorable opinion to > > start the discussion here. > > > >In this case, I feel that upstream team wants to limit freedom of their > >software while remaining just at the limit of the rules. > > > >So for now, my feeling> is that it's not in the spirit of DFSG, while > >respecting the words. > > Forgive me for sidetracking this conversation, but what are the 3 tests? I > found the Desert Island Test, but not the third one. > > Thanks, > Cem Karan > >
What are the tests? was: RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: MongoDB Server Side Public License, Version 1 (SSPL v1)
On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:47 PM, Xavier wrote: >Le 16/10/2018 à 22:44, Florian Weimer a écrit : >> * Xavier: >> From: Eliot Horowitz Date: Tue Oct 16 13:03:02 UTC 2018 Subject: [License-review] Approval: Server Side Public License, Version 1 (SSPL v1) ... “If you make the functionality of the Program or a modified version available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, under the terms of this License. Making the functionality of the Program or modified version available to third parties as a service includes, without limitation, enabling third parties to interact with the functionality of the Program or modified version remotely through a computer network, offering a service the value of which entirely or primarily derives from the value of the Program or modified version, or offering a service that accomplishes for users the primary purpose of the Software or modified version. >>> >>> I feel this part fails against the dissident test but I could be wrong. >> >> I think you are right, but the test >> https://wiki.debian.org/DissidentTest> >> is not formally part of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. > >Right but as DFSG is just a guideline, my opinion is that: > - formal success to DFSG is not enough (else we would have to change > them more often, which would create detrimental instability), > - if one of the 3 tests fails, we leave with an unfavorable opinion to > start the discussion here. > >In this case, I feel that upstream team wants to limit freedom of their >software while remaining just at the limit of the rules. > >So for now, my feeling> is that it's not in the spirit of DFSG, while >respecting the words. Forgive me for sidetracking this conversation, but what are the 3 tests? I found the Desert Island Test, but not the third one. Thanks, Cem Karan
