Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Giulio Paci]

Hi Balint and all,

On 16/05/2016 16:50, Bálint Réczey wrote:
> Hi Giulio,
> 
> 2016-05-08 14:32 GMT+02:00 Giulio Paci :
>> Hi Balint and all,
>>
>> Il 08/mag/2016 14:15, "Bálint Réczey"  ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Control: owner -1 bal...@balintreczey.hu
>>>
>>> 2016-05-06 23:44 GMT+02:00 Gianfranco Costamagna
>>> :
 Hi Balint, so I presume you want to set yourself as owner of this bug,
 right?
>>>
>>> Sure, and I'm also about to upload the package in the current state.
>>> Feel free to continue the discussion about bringing irstlm under Debian
>>> Science
>>> in this bug or or on the team's mailing list.
>>
>> I currently do not need this version (I am using the old one in production,
>> so I think we can wait a few days before uploading this package and upload
>> it under Debian science).
>>
>> If I understand correctly, given its current state, the only things that I
>> need to do are:
>> 1) ensure that I am part of Debian Science team;
>> 2) change maintainer and uploaders;
>> 3) move git repository under Debian Science and update Vcs fields in the
>> package;
>> 4) update changelog.
>>
>> Is that all?
> 
> I think so.
> 
>>
>> In order to move the repository, is it fine if I setup a new repository in
>> Debian Science, change my remote url and push there? Or will I cause
>> troubles  acting in this way (eg.: too many commits emails)?
>> Do you have a better migration workflow?
> 
> I think pushing is OK.

As you probably noticed I moved the package under Debian Science and Mattia 
already uploaded the new version. :-)

> Since I have uploaded the package and FTP Masters already accepted it
> I close this bug.
> 
> Regarding the package, providing a symbols file would be nice. :-)

Given my previous attempt at providing symbols files for C++ packages I am 
reluctant to do so.
If possible I will avoid adding that file for a while:
upstream is not answering my emails since a while and I still have to instruct 
them about SONAMEs and many other things (e.g., binary name conflicts, scripts 
extensions,
...); I would like to have better interaction with them, before trying to keep 
track of symbols.

> Feel free to ping me on ask for sponsorship on debian-science in the
> future, there is no
> need to file formal RFS-s to BTS if there are people who regularly
> sponsor upload for you. :-)

Fine, thank you. :-)

Cheers,
Giulio

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Bálint Réczey]

Hi Giulio,

2016-05-08 14:32 GMT+02:00 Giulio Paci :
> Hi Balint and all,
>
> Il 08/mag/2016 14:15, "Bálint Réczey"  ha scritto:
>>
>> Control: owner -1 bal...@balintreczey.hu
>>
>> 2016-05-06 23:44 GMT+02:00 Gianfranco Costamagna
>> :
>> > Hi Balint, so I presume you want to set yourself as owner of this bug,
>> > right?
>>
>> Sure, and I'm also about to upload the package in the current state.
>> Feel free to continue the discussion about bringing irstlm under Debian
>> Science
>> in this bug or or on the team's mailing list.
>
> I currently do not need this version (I am using the old one in production,
> so I think we can wait a few days before uploading this package and upload
> it under Debian science).
>
> If I understand correctly, given its current state, the only things that I
> need to do are:
> 1) ensure that I am part of Debian Science team;
> 2) change maintainer and uploaders;
> 3) move git repository under Debian Science and update Vcs fields in the
> package;
> 4) update changelog.
>
> Is that all?

I think so.

>
> In order to move the repository, is it fine if I setup a new repository in
> Debian Science, change my remote url and push there? Or will I cause
> troubles  acting in this way (eg.: too many commits emails)?
> Do you have a better migration workflow?

I think pushing is OK.

Since I have uploaded the package and FTP Masters already accepted it
I close this bug.

Regarding the package, providing a symbols file would be nice. :-)

Feel free to ping me on ask for sponsorship on debian-science in the
future, there is no
need to file formal RFS-s to BTS if there are people who regularly
sponsor upload for you. :-)

Cheers,
Balint

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Giulio Paci]

Hi Balint and all,

Il 08/mag/2016 14:15, "Bálint Réczey"  ha scritto:
>
> Control: owner -1 bal...@balintreczey.hu
>
> 2016-05-06 23:44 GMT+02:00 Gianfranco Costamagna :
> > Hi Balint, so I presume you want to set yourself as owner of this bug,
right?
>
> Sure, and I'm also about to upload the package in the current state.
> Feel free to continue the discussion about bringing irstlm under Debian
Science
> in this bug or or on the team's mailing list.

I currently do not need this version (I am using the old one in production,
so I think we can wait a few days before uploading this package and upload
it under Debian science).

If I understand correctly, given its current state, the only things that I
need to do are:
1) ensure that I am part of Debian Science team;
2) change maintainer and uploaders;
3) move git repository under Debian Science and update Vcs fields in the
package;
4) update changelog.

Is that all?

In order to move the repository, is it fine if I setup a new repository in
Debian Science, change my remote url and push there? Or will I cause
troubles  acting in this way (eg.: too many commits emails)?
Do you have a better migration workflow?

Bests,
Giulio

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Bálint Réczey]

Control: owner -1 bal...@balintreczey.hu

Hi Gianfranco,

2016-05-06 23:44 GMT+02:00 Gianfranco Costamagna :
> Hi Balint, so I presume you want to set yourself as owner of this bug, right?

Sure, and I'm also about to upload the package in the current state.
Feel free to continue the discussion about bringing irstlm under Debian Science
in this bug or or on the team's mailing list.

Cheers,
Balint

>
>
> thanks for your work!
>
> Gianfranco
>
>
> Il Venerdì 6 Maggio 2016 23:40, Balint Reczey  ha 
> scritto:
> Control: reopen -1
>
> Luckily the upload got rejected, thus I did not interfere with the RFS
> process.
>
> Cheers,
> Balint
>
> On Fri, 6 May 2016 23:28:46 +0200 Balint Reczey 
> wrote:
>> Hi Giulio and All,
>>
>> I'm sorry, but I have uploaded the package after a review but before
>> I checked this RFS bug's progress. I have not received the follow-up
>> emails.
>>
>> The version uploaded is latest master at:
>> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git
>>
>> 56c3947 (HEAD, origin/master, master) Updated changelog.
>>
>> I hope it won't cause too much inconvenience to import 6.00.05-2
>> to Debian Science instead of this version.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Balint

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Gianfranco Costamagna]

Hi Balint, so I presume you want to set yourself as owner of this bug, right?


thanks for your work!

Gianfranco


Il Venerdì 6 Maggio 2016 23:40, Balint Reczey  ha 
scritto:
Control: reopen -1

Luckily the upload got rejected, thus I did not interfere with the RFS
process.

Cheers,
Balint

On Fri, 6 May 2016 23:28:46 +0200 Balint Reczey 
wrote:
> Hi Giulio and All,
> 
> I'm sorry, but I have uploaded the package after a review but before
> I checked this RFS bug's progress. I have not received the follow-up
> emails.
> 
> The version uploaded is latest master at:
> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git
> 
> 56c3947 (HEAD, origin/master, master) Updated changelog.
> 
> I hope it won't cause too much inconvenience to import 6.00.05-2
> to Debian Science instead of this version.
> 
> Thanks,
> Balint

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Balint Reczey]

Control: reopen -1

Luckily the upload got rejected, thus I did not interfere with the RFS
process.

Cheers,
Balint

On Fri, 6 May 2016 23:28:46 +0200 Balint Reczey 
wrote:
> Hi Giulio and All,
> 
> I'm sorry, but I have uploaded the package after a review but before
> I checked this RFS bug's progress. I have not received the follow-up
> emails.
> 
> The version uploaded is latest master at:
> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git
> 
> 56c3947 (HEAD, origin/master, master) Updated changelog.
> 
> I hope it won't cause too much inconvenience to import 6.00.05-2
> to Debian Science instead of this version.
> 
> Thanks,
> Balint

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Giulio Paci]

On 06/05/2016 10:52, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
> On 06/05/16 09:30, Giulio Paci wrote:
>> Il 06/mag/2016 08:36, "Ghislain Vaillant" > > ha scritto:
>>  > You just need to join the team
>>  > on alioth, which will grant you access to the team's git repositories.
>>
>> If I remember correctly I am already part of the team, although I never
>> contributed to package maintainance.
>> The wiki page of the team also report me as a team member.
> 
> Good.
> 
>>  > Then, you can move the packaging repository over, change the
>> Maintainer field to "Debian Science Maintainers >  > maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
>> >" and move yourself to the
>>  > Uploaders field.
>>
>>  >> Regarding the tasks, I think "linguistics" is fine. In addition,
>> what about "machine learning" and/or "statistics"?
>>  >>
>>  >> How can I add them to the tasks? I have found this repository
>> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/blends/projects/science.git but no clear
>> instructions.
> 
> You are supposed to checkout the repository with:
> 
>   git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/blends/projects/science.git
> 
> Edit the relevant task files, commit and push. The sentinels will
> be refreshed accordingly on the next job.
>
>>  > This process is actually independent of having the package maintained
>>  > under the DST or not. However, you need to join the team to be able to
>>  > modify the task files.
>>
>> Are the task files the only files that needs to be changed? Am I
>> expected to make the changes directly on the repository?
> 
> Indeed.

I have not enough permissions to push to that repository.
So I pushed some changes to linguistics task here: 
https://github.com/giuliopaci/science_blends.git

Can you review and import those changes into 
git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/blends/projects/science.git ?

>>  > I can add the package to linguistics, machine
>>  > learning and statistics.
>>
>> What I meant with my question is: are those two tasks right for this
>> package? They are surely strongly related, probably more than
>> linguistics, but, I do not know if the intended users of these tasks may
>> expect to find this package on their system. Are there a description of
>> the tasks which includes some use case description (or use case
>> description that includes tasks suggestion)? If not, probably it would
>> be nice to have some use case description somewhere that my help users
>> to better understand if the task is useful for them or not and may
>> further help us in deciding if a package is suitable for a given task.
> 
> Linguistics sounds the most appropriate. I'd say machine-learning and
> statistics should rather be for more generic packages, since any piece
> of software which is a minimum applied (such as this one) is expected to
> use a mixture of those.

For me it is a bit confusing, because I see a mixture of "use cases" vs 
"topics" in the current tasks definitions, that makes them very ambiguos in my 
mind.

linguistics is probably too generic as a topic to be able to avoid adding a lot 
of tools that are not useful to the greatest part of the users.

I would personally include many tools that are required to my work on 
linguistics that are probably not relevant to many other people working on 
linguistics.
Namely: ffmpeg, sox and sptk (among the other). Anyway I added some of these 
tools that I use very often as suggestions (transcriber, praat and wavesurfer), 
as they are
targeted to linguistics.

There are several tools that are also very relevant, like espeak or festival, 
which includes many technologies that are very handy to people doing research 
on linguistics.

Maybe I should suggest "speech technologies" task, or similar, somewhere?


Cheers,
Giulio



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Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Ghislain Vaillant]

On 06/05/16 09:30, Giulio Paci wrote:

Il 06/mag/2016 08:36, "Ghislain Vaillant" > ha scritto:
 > You just need to join the team
 > on alioth, which will grant you access to the team's git repositories.

If I remember correctly I am already part of the team, although I never
contributed to package maintainance.
The wiki page of the team also report me as a team member.


Good.


 > Then, you can move the packaging repository over, change the
Maintainer field to "Debian Science Maintainers  maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
>" and move yourself to the
 > Uploaders field.

 >> Regarding the tasks, I think "linguistics" is fine. In addition,
what about "machine learning" and/or "statistics"?
 >>
 >> How can I add them to the tasks? I have found this repository
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/blends/projects/science.git but no clear
instructions.


You are supposed to checkout the repository with:

  git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/blends/projects/science.git

Edit the relevant task files, commit and push. The sentinels will
be refreshed accordingly on the next job.


 >
 >
 > This process is actually independent of having the package maintained
 > under the DST or not. However, you need to join the team to be able to
 > modify the task files.

Are the task files the only files that needs to be changed? Am I
expected to make the changes directly on the repository?


Indeed.


 > I can add the package to linguistics, machine
 > learning and statistics.

What I meant with my question is: are those two tasks right for this
package? They are surely strongly related, probably more than
linguistics, but, I do not know if the intended users of these tasks may
expect to find this package on their system. Are there a description of
the tasks which includes some use case description (or use case
description that includes tasks suggestion)? If not, probably it would
be nice to have some use case description somewhere that my help users
to better understand if the task is useful for them or not and may
further help us in deciding if a package is suitable for a given task.


Linguistics sounds the most appropriate. I'd say machine-learning and
statistics should rather be for more generic packages, since any piece
of software which is a minimum applied (such as this one) is expected to
use a mixture of those.


Anyway, if you can add the package to relevant tasks, I will try to
learn by example how to do that. ;-)

 > You might want to add some upstream metadata [1], so our sentinels can
 > display additional information about the software such as screenshots,
 > citations...
 > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata

I will read the page during the next few days. I think citations is
important for upstream of these packages.


It would be a nice gesture towards upstream.

Cheers,
Ghis

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Giulio Paci]

Il 06/mag/2016 08:36, "Ghislain Vaillant"  ha scritto:
>
> On 06/05/16 02:48, Giulio Paci wrote:
>>
>> On 05/05/2016 19:45, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
>>>
>>> On 05/05/16 17:16, Giulio Paci wrote:

 Package: sponsorship-requests
 Severity: normal
 X-Debbugs-CC: rbal...@debian.org

 Dear Balint,

 I am looking for a sponsor for an updated version of my package
"irstlm"

* Package name: irstlm
  Version : 6.00.05-1
  Upstream Author : Marcello Federico 
* URL : https://github.com/irstlm-team/irstlm/
* License : LGPL-2.1
  Programming Lang: C++, Perl, Bash
  Description : IRST Language Modeling Toolkit
  Section : misc

 This package includes latest upstream releases and several package
updates.

 You can found the sources for the package and additional information
at:

 https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git/

 A review of the package is more than welcome.

 Regards,
  Giulio Paci

>>>
>>> Hi Giulio,
>>>
>>> You might be interested to move this package to co-maintenance under the
>>> Debian Science Team [1] and integrate it to one of the tasks [2] in the
>>> future (perhaps the linguistics task [3]?).
>>
>>
>> You are right, and it is my intention to do so in future.
>> The only thing stopping me is that at the moment the sponsorhip for this
package is working and I have very scarce time, so that I had not yet
reread the rules of the team
>> (last time I read them was a few years ago).
>
>
> It is not that much overhead actually.

You are probably right, but still I think it would be nice to know the team
policy and workflows before the change.

> You just need to join the team
> on alioth, which will grant you access to the team's git repositories.

If I remember correctly I am already part of the team, although I never
contributed to package maintainance.
The wiki page of the team also report me as a team member.

> Then, you can move the packaging repository over, change the Maintainer
field to "Debian Science Maintainers  maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org>" and move yourself to the
> Uploaders field.

>> Regarding the tasks, I think "linguistics" is fine. In addition, what
about "machine learning" and/or "statistics"?
>>
>> How can I add them to the tasks? I have found this repository
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/blends/projects/science.git but no clear
instructions.
>
>
> This process is actually independent of having the package maintained
> under the DST or not. However, you need to join the team to be able to
> modify the task files.

Are the task files the only files that needs to be changed? Am I expected
to make the changes directly on the repository?

> I can add the package to linguistics, machine
> learning and statistics.

What I meant with my question is: are those two tasks right for this
package? They are surely strongly related, probably more than linguistics,
but, I do not know if the intended users of these tasks may expect to find
this package on their system. Are there a description of the tasks which
includes some use case description (or use case description that includes
tasks suggestion)? If not, probably it would be nice to have some use case
description somewhere that my help users to better understand if the task
is useful for them or not and may further help us in deciding if a package
is suitable for a given task.

Anyway, if you can add the package to relevant tasks, I will try to learn
by example how to do that. ;-)

> You might want to add some upstream metadata [1], so our sentinels can
> display additional information about the software such as screenshots,
> citations...
> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata

I will read the page during the next few days. I think citations is
important for upstream of these packages.

> Thanks for working on this package.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Giulio

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Ghislain Vaillant]

On 06/05/16 02:48, Giulio Paci wrote:

On 05/05/2016 19:45, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:

On 05/05/16 17:16, Giulio Paci wrote:

Package: sponsorship-requests
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-CC: rbal...@debian.org

Dear Balint,

I am looking for a sponsor for an updated version of my package "irstlm"

   * Package name: irstlm
 Version : 6.00.05-1
 Upstream Author : Marcello Federico 
   * URL : https://github.com/irstlm-team/irstlm/
   * License : LGPL-2.1
 Programming Lang: C++, Perl, Bash
 Description : IRST Language Modeling Toolkit
 Section : misc

This package includes latest upstream releases and several package updates.

You can found the sources for the package and additional information at:

https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git/

A review of the package is more than welcome.

Regards,
 Giulio Paci



Hi Giulio,

You might be interested to move this package to co-maintenance under the
Debian Science Team [1] and integrate it to one of the tasks [2] in the
future (perhaps the linguistics task [3]?).


You are right, and it is my intention to do so in future.
The only thing stopping me is that at the moment the sponsorhip for this 
package is working and I have very scarce time, so that I had not yet reread 
the rules of the team
(last time I read them was a few years ago).


It is not that much overhead actually. You just need to join the team
on alioth, which will grant you access to the team's git repositories.
Then, you can move the packaging repository over, change the Maintainer 
field to "Debian Science Maintainers 
maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org>" and move yourself to the
Uploaders field.

That's it.


Regarding the tasks, I think "linguistics" is fine. In addition, what about "machine 
learning" and/or "statistics"?

How can I add them to the tasks? I have found this repository 
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/blends/projects/science.git but no clear 
instructions.


This process is actually independent of having the package maintained
under the DST or not. However, you need to join the team to be able to
modify the task files. I can add the package to linguistics, machine
learning and statistics.

You might want to add some upstream metadata [1], so our sentinels can
display additional information about the software such as screenshots,
citations...

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata

Thanks for working on this package.

Cheers,
Ghis

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Giulio Paci]

On 05/05/2016 19:45, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
> On 05/05/16 17:16, Giulio Paci wrote:
>> Package: sponsorship-requests
>> Severity: normal
>> X-Debbugs-CC: rbal...@debian.org
>>
>> Dear Balint,
>>
>> I am looking for a sponsor for an updated version of my package "irstlm"
>>
>>   * Package name: irstlm
>> Version : 6.00.05-1
>> Upstream Author : Marcello Federico 
>>   * URL : https://github.com/irstlm-team/irstlm/
>>   * License : LGPL-2.1
>> Programming Lang: C++, Perl, Bash
>> Description : IRST Language Modeling Toolkit
>> Section : misc
>>
>> This package includes latest upstream releases and several package updates.
>>
>> You can found the sources for the package and additional information at:
>>
>>https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git/
>>
>> A review of the package is more than welcome.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Giulio Paci
>>
> 
> Hi Giulio,
> 
> You might be interested to move this package to co-maintenance under the
> Debian Science Team [1] and integrate it to one of the tasks [2] in the
> future (perhaps the linguistics task [3]?).

You are right, and it is my intention to do so in future.
The only thing stopping me is that at the moment the sponsorhip for this 
package is working and I have very scarce time, so that I had not yet reread 
the rules of the team
(last time I read them was a few years ago).

Regarding the tasks, I think "linguistics" is fine. In addition, what about 
"machine learning" and/or "statistics"?

How can I add them to the tasks? I have found this repository 
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/blends/projects/science.git but no clear 
instructions.

> A few remarks:
> d/control: the source package is Section: text. Section: libs or
> Section: science is probably more appropriate.

I think science is more appropriate than libs in this case. I switched to 
science section.

> d/control: Homepage should probably be http://hlt-mt.fbk.eu/technologies
> /irstlm

Fixed.

> d/copyright: Source should probably be the Github repository, not the
> sourceforge page, which clearly says: "IRSTLM is no more supported on
> SourceForge."

Fixed.

> 
> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience
> [2] http://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/
> [3] http://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/linguistics
> 
> Best regards,
> Ghis




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Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Ghislain Vaillant]

On 05/05/16 17:16, Giulio Paci wrote:

Package: sponsorship-requests
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-CC: rbal...@debian.org

Dear Balint,

I am looking for a sponsor for an updated version of my package "irstlm"

  * Package name: irstlm
Version : 6.00.05-1
Upstream Author : Marcello Federico 
  * URL : https://github.com/irstlm-team/irstlm/
  * License : LGPL-2.1
Programming Lang: C++, Perl, Bash
Description : IRST Language Modeling Toolkit
Section : misc

This package includes latest upstream releases and several package updates.

You can found the sources for the package and additional information at:

   https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git/

A review of the package is more than welcome.

Regards,
Giulio Paci



Hi Giulio,

You might be interested to move this package to co-maintenance under the
Debian Science Team [1] and integrate it to one of the tasks [2] in the
future (perhaps the linguistics task [3]?).

A few remarks:
d/control: the source package is Section: text. Section: libs or
Section: science is probably more appropriate.
d/control: Homepage should probably be http://hlt-mt.fbk.eu/technologies
/irstlm
d/copyright: Source should probably be the Github repository, not the
sourceforge page, which clearly says: "IRSTLM is no more supported on
SourceForge."

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience
[2] http://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/
[3] http://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/linguistics

Best regards,
Ghis

Bug#823521: RFS: irstlm/6.00.05-1 -- IRST Language Modeling Toolkit

[Giulio Paci]

Package: sponsorship-requests
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-CC: rbal...@debian.org

Dear Balint,

I am looking for a sponsor for an updated version of my package "irstlm"

 * Package name: irstlm
   Version : 6.00.05-1
   Upstream Author : Marcello Federico 
 * URL : https://github.com/irstlm-team/irstlm/
 * License : LGPL-2.1
   Programming Lang: C++, Perl, Bash
   Description : IRST Language Modeling Toolkit
   Section : misc

This package includes latest upstream releases and several package updates.

You can found the sources for the package and additional information at:

  https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/irstlm.git/

A review of the package is more than welcome.

Regards,
   Giulio Paci