Re: no response Fwd: Bug#905080: O: as31 - Intel 8031/8051 assembler
Please send this to the debian-mentors list instead of exclusively to me. I did not mean to imply that I personally would be offering mentorship or sponsorship, and in any case, my abilities are limited since I am not a DD. On 2019-04-11, Albert van der Horst wrote: > Jason Crain schreef op 2019-04-09 19:35: > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 07:05:29PM +0200, Albert van der Horst wrote: > > > I followed up on a "orphaned bug" by adding a message to the bug > > > 905080. > > > This got never a response. Did I make a mistake with respect to the > > > Debian protocols? > > > I seem to remember that I got a confirmation that in "due course" a > > > Debianist would > > > respond. > > > And no, the 8051 is not dead by a long stretch. So deleting from the > > > Debian distribution is not good. > > > > If you are intending to adopt the package, you should rename the O > > (Orphaned) bug to ITA (Intent To Adopt) and create an updated package > > fixing some of the issues and naming yourself as maintainer. Then, if > > you need a sponsor, upload the package to mentors.debian.net and create > > a RFS (Request For Sponsorship) bug to request that a Debian Developer > > review and upload the package for you. > > If there were issues, I would solve all of them. before uploading a package. > There are no technical issues, that I would tackle gladly, > only a very nasty formalistic one. > "Although it is known that it is licensed under BSD, there is only an > assumption that it is "3-clause" BSD." > I see that the maintainer commented on the issue, but did not classify > it. I think that the first thing to do for an issue is to classify it. > Now I've no idea how important it is to solve this issue. In addition to the license issue, I see a few minor things listed on the tracker page https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/as31, including a warning that the VCS repository is out of date, a lintian warning about a deprecated debhelper version, a build log warning about hardening flags, and a note that the standards version is out of date. I don't know how easy some of those will be to fix, but you should try to fix the ones that you can. The license is probably not that big of an issue, since I think any version of the BSD license would be free, but you could try to contact upstream to see if they will clarify the license. > I've just been through the painful process of getting a package in a > formally acceptable state, just to find out that there is no one willing > to sponsor. Can you or anyone give an idea of the chance this would happen > again? > I've no connections to speak of in the Debian community. > The orphaner got my message but didn't warn a newbee that renaming of the > bug > was necessary to get things rolling. Is that a bad sign or > is there a chance that the orphaner would for a limited time be willing to > sponsor? Yes, you can ask the orphaner if he is willing to sponsor your package, but he may decline or not respond for many reasons, including lack of available time. If he won't, you should file a sponsorship bug as described at https://mentors.debian.net/sponsors. Though note that since Debian is in a freeze, your package will probably not be uploaded to unstable until Debian Buster is released, possibly several months from now. I'm sorry that you were not able to find a sponsor for your previous package. I haven't had too much trouble finding sponsors before, so my only advice is to try again. > If I'd rid the package of some technical defect and it wouldn't be accepted, > that would not > mean a great deal to me, because the effort is not really wasted, as long as > I publish it somewhere. However if after a long e-mail exchange I finally > managed to fix a copyright message and it would not be accepted I > would be really depressed. Same if the only change was to list myself as > as maintainer. > > > Groetjes Albert > > -- > Suffering is the prerogative of the strong, the weak -- perish. > Albert van der Horst
Re: no response Fwd: Bug#905080: O: as31 - Intel 8031/8051 assembler
Albert, On Tue, 9 Apr 2019, 19:05 Albert van der Horst, wrote: > I followed up on a "orphaned bug" by adding a message to the bug 905080. > This got never a response. Did I make a mistake with respect to the > Debian protocols? > I seem to remember that I got a confirmation that in "due course" a > Debianist would > respond. > And no, the 8051 is not dead by a long stretch. So deleting from the > Debian distribution is not good. > I just wanted to add that orphaning doesn't imply future removal. Unless the package is in a bad shape while having very few users, it's not going to be removed. -- Cheers, Andrej
Re: no response Fwd: Bug#905080: O: as31 - Intel 8031/8051 assembler
On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 07:05:29PM +0200, Albert van der Horst wrote: > I followed up on a "orphaned bug" by adding a message to the bug 905080. > This got never a response. Did I make a mistake with respect to the > Debian protocols? > I seem to remember that I got a confirmation that in "due course" a > Debianist would > respond. > And no, the 8051 is not dead by a long stretch. So deleting from the > Debian distribution is not good. If you are intending to adopt the package, you should rename the O (Orphaned) bug to ITA (Intent To Adopt) and create an updated package fixing some of the issues and naming yourself as maintainer. Then, if you need a sponsor, upload the package to mentors.debian.net and create a RFS (Request For Sponsorship) bug to request that a Debian Developer review and upload the package for you.
no response Fwd: Bug#905080: O: as31 - Intel 8031/8051 assembler
I followed up on a "orphaned bug" by adding a message to the bug 905080. This got never a response. Did I make a mistake with respect to the Debian protocols? I seem to remember that I got a confirmation that in "due course" a Debianist would respond. And no, the 8051 is not dead by a long stretch. So deleting from the Debian distribution is not good. https://www.waveshare.com/product/mcu-tools/c8051f-boards/boards.htm Groetjes Albert original message Onderwerp: Bug#905080: O: as31 - Intel 8031/8051 assembler Datum: 2018-11-25 00:36 Afzender: Albert van der Horst Ontvanger: Bdale Garbee , 905...@bugs.debian.org Kopie: sub...@bugs.debian.org Antwoord-aan: Albert van der Horst , 905...@bugs.debian.org Bdale Garbee schreef op 2018-07-31 07:17: Package: wnpp Severity normal I no longer have any personal need for as31, so would like to drop it from the list of packages I maintain. I recently uploaded a fix for the segfault encountered building the usbdux driver in the firmware-nonfree source package. The only remaining open bug regards the ambiguity of upstream asserting the package is under "the BSD license" without specifying which precise variant. To the best of my knowledge, no packages in Debian depend on as31, but because there is a driver (that is not built for Debian by default) in the firmware-nonfree package that depends on it, I choose to orphan the package rather than just asking for it to be removed from the archive. I looked into this package and the upstream archive just exists. Moreover the package is up to date w.r.t. upstream since 2005. Apparently this is a superstable package where the last bugs disappeared ages ago. I would regret if this package disappears from Debian, because - the 8051 has historic interest, but also to this day practical interest - the assembler is a solid piece of software engineering, so it is worth maintaining and probably not overly time consuming. - if nothing else, it can serve as an example of the use of lex and yacc. After studying the project I'm willing to take on the orphaned 8051 assembler as31. My credentials: - dedicated to the free software movement (author of some free software) - unix/c experience since the 80's - sworn in as a maintainer at debian mentors (thanks, Geert Stappers!) - some experience with Debian packaging, and some familiarity with the policy and guidelines - extensive experience with software maintenance (as well as development) - affinity with the 8051, owner of dozens of single board computers, among them a couple 8051 based - Published a flash programmer for an Elektor board with a 8051 processor: https://forth.hcc.nl/w/Producten/Flash - a direct personal line to Willem Ouwerkerk, creator of a 8051 development system Bdale Groetjes Albert - end --- Groetjes Albert -- Suffering is the prerogative of the strong, the weak -- perish. Albert van der Horst
