Re: Legal names (was: AM report for Vagrant Cascadian vagr...@freegeek.org)

2009-08-02 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 02:41:45PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
  Encrypting this information to the various persons implies that the
  project itself can lose access to this information if those people all
  become unavailable in the future.  Is the information also stored somewhere
  that DSA (the role, not the people currently in it) will be able to recover
  that information if needed?

I was just going to make the same criticism ...

 DSA currently uses the pws helper application

AFAIK, other role addresses (e.g. lea...@d.o) do not do that though.

I'm fine with a _single_ place where the information is known to be
stored in a future-proof way, but please (when the times come) ensure
that there is such a place :)

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Small fix for keycheck.sh

2009-08-02 Thread Enrico Zini
Hello,

attached patch. I think I did this change because keycheck failed in a
confusing way if I gave it a wrong key id, but now I don't remember the
details. Anyway, it's a simple sanity change.

Ciao,

Enrico

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From 673f2fb6462fab21d4c96c8403da9f65907707a3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Enrico Zini enr...@enricozini.org
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:12:19 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 09/10] Fix a case that gave me an issue

---
 keycheck.sh |2 +-
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

diff --git a/keycheck.sh b/keycheck.sh
index 4ef3306..63fa795 100755
--- a/keycheck.sh
+++ b/keycheck.sh
@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ gpg $2 ${GPGOPTS} -v --with-fingerprint --keyring $DESTDIR/debian-keyring.gpg --
 echo Let's test if its a version 4 or greater key
 VERSION=$(gpg ${GPGOPTS} --with-colons --with-fingerprint --list-keys 0x$KEYID | awk -F : '$1 == fpr {print length($10)}')
 
-if [ $VERSION -eq 32 ]; then
+if [ $VERSION -eq 32 ]; then
 	echo Warning: It looks like this key is an Version 3 GPG key. This is bad.
 	echo This is not accepted for the NM ID Step. Please doublecheck and then
 	echo get your applicant to send you a correct key if this is script isnt wrong.
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More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Enrico Zini
Hello,

Olly Betts sent me several improvements to the questions, which I turned
into a patch: please find it attached to this mail.


Ciao,

Enrico

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From 7650d4b908621f946f004faa81e75fa33c550411 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Enrico Zini enr...@enricozini.org
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:57:58 +0200
Subject: [PATCH 10/10] Applied fixes from Olly Betts

---
 nm_pp1.txt |4 ++--
 nm_pp2.txt |2 +-
 nm_ts1.txt |   12 ++--
 nm_ts2.txt |2 +-
 4 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)

diff --git a/nm_pp1.txt b/nm_pp1.txt
index 2c90dac..5a36784 100644
--- a/nm_pp1.txt
+++ b/nm_pp1.txt
@@ -64,8 +64,8 @@ PH3. Donald Knuth, author of TeX, insists that no-one has the right to
  change files (a sort of patch file). Is this allowed for a program
  for the main component of Debian?
 
-PH4. Do you know (and can you explain) the difference between free speech
- and free beer? Is Debian mainly about free speech or free beer?
+PH4. Please explain the difference between free speech and free beer.
+ Is Debian mainly about free speech or free beer?
 
 PH5. What are the sections of the Debian archive and why is the archive
  grouped into them?
diff --git a/nm_pp2.txt b/nm_pp2.txt
index ff3490c..b470b88 100644
--- a/nm_pp2.txt
+++ b/nm_pp2.txt
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ PR4. At regular intervals, we arrange the so called Bug Squashing Parties.
  What are they good for and what happens during such a BSP?
 
 PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
- Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
+ Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.
 
 PR5a. What is a binNMU and what are they useful for? Where and how do
   you request to schedule binNMUs? Which precautions do you have to
diff --git a/nm_ts1.txt b/nm_ts1.txt
index c76f387..719b5eb 100644
--- a/nm_ts1.txt
+++ b/nm_ts1.txt
@@ -80,8 +80,8 @@ PF7. What is Essential: yes? Why isn't libc essential and why can't it
 PF8. Explain the difference between Depends, Recommends, Suggests and
  Enhances.
 
-PF8a. Is there something you have to keep in mind regarding the Recommends
-  field while doing backports or updates for Etch or older releases?
+PF8a. What should you keep in mind regarding the Recommends field while doing
+  backports or updates for Etch or older releases?
 
 PF9. What is Pre-depends for? Why should you avoid it?
 
@@ -125,9 +125,9 @@ PP1. Imagine you maintain a package which depends very closely on some
 PP2. How can you ensure your package's description is in a good state and
  in a valid format?
 
-PP3. You have a new package, and you finally find that it will be in
- contrib. Why would it be there? What could you do (in theory at
- least) to get it into main?
+PP3. You have a new package, and you find that it will be in contrib.
+ Why would it be there? What could you do (in theory at least) to
+ get it into main?
 
 PP4. If one of your packages had serious problems like either
a) the current version in the archive is not mature enough
@@ -163,7 +163,7 @@ PPa. What would you do if your package contains an Emacs major mode?
 PPb. How can you tell your users about some important changes in your
  package?
 
-PPc. Run: dpkg -L devscripts | grep bin/ | bogosort -n | tail -10
+PPc. Run: dpkg -L devscripts | grep bin/ | shuf -n10
  (or otherwise pick 10 random utilities of your choice from the
  devscripts package) and for each one, tell me when a DD would want
  to use it.
diff --git a/nm_ts2.txt b/nm_ts2.txt
index bee952d..8459b28 100644
--- a/nm_ts2.txt
+++ b/nm_ts2.txt
@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ BU6. How do you upload a package to
  - the DELAYED queue 
 
 BU7. What do you do if you've uploaded broken or incomplete files to
- the upload queue (something that likes to happen if your internet
+ the upload queue (something that can easily happen if your internet
  connection is not stable, for example)?
 
 Architectures and Libraries
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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:

  PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
 - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
 + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.

The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
starts with a vowel in this context.


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sun Aug 02 13:02, Mark Brown wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 
   PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
  - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
  + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.
 
 The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
 starts with a vowel in this context.

Actually, it's to do with whether a vowel _sound_ is at the start of a
word [0]. Thus it would be an X-ray, a hotel, an honourific, a
user etc. NMU is pronounced en-em-ewe, so it should be an NMU.
(just try saying a NMU out loud, the glottal stop is horrible)

Matt

0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_and_an

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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:36:53PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
 On Sun Aug 02 13:02, Mark Brown wrote:

  The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
  starts with a vowel in this context.

 Actually, it's to do with whether a vowel _sound_ is at the start of a
 word [0]. Thus it would be an X-ray, a hotel, an honourific, a
 user etc. NMU is pronounced en-em-ewe, so it should be an NMU.
 (just try saying a NMU out loud, the glottal stop is horrible)

Works fine for me since I'm prononcing the 'a' fairly softly (close to
uh or eh) when running it into NMU; essentially contracting the 'a' into
the acronym.


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Olly Betts
On 2009-08-02, Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:

  PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
 - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
 + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.

 The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
 starts with a vowel in this context.

Style manuals seem to recommend an for an initialism when the first letter
begins with a vowel sound (as it does in en em you).  I can see an argument
for a NMU if you read it as a non-maintainer upload though.

Not that it means much, but googlefight shows an nmu as more popular:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=an+nmuword2=a+nmu;

But it's definitely better not to be using *both* an NMU and a NMU in
adjacent lines as this question did before Enrico's patch...

Cheers,
Olly


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Re: Small fix for keycheck.sh

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Koch
Hello Enrico,


On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:50:54AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 attached patch. I think I did this change because keycheck failed in a
 confusing way if I gave it a wrong key id, but now I don't remember the
 details. Anyway, it's a simple sanity change.

Also commited. Thanks for your input, Enrico.


Cheers,
Michael


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Re: New script for the templates svn repo

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Koch
Hello Enrico,


On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 03:31:39PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 I'm thinking of adding this very simple script to the templates/ svn
 repo, alonside the keycheck.sh script:
 
   $ cat minechangelogs 
   #!/bin/sh
   
   ssh lintian.debian.org ~enrico/bin/minechangelogs $@
 
 Only there's a problem with shell escaping: if I use it like this, and
 run ./minechangelogs Enrico Zini, on the other end of ssh what gets
 invoked is minechangelogs Enrico Zini, which matches entries
 containing Enrico or Zini, so I also get entries for Enrico Tassi.
 
 It would of course work if I invoke it as:
   ./minechangelogs 'Enrico Zini'
 but that is awkward.
 
 Is there a better way to pass the rest of the command line, unchanged,
 through ssh?  This has the same problem:
 
   ssh lintian.debian.org ~enrico/bin/minechangelogs $@
 
 The syntax of the script on lintian.debian.org is to do case-sensitive
 matching of its parameters, and return the changelog entries that
 contain at least one, therefore ORing the matches together.

I commited a slightly changed script. Thanks for the initial script.
It's really helpful.


Cheers,
Michael


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Koch
Hello,


On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:33:38PM +, Olly Betts wrote:
 Style manuals seem to recommend an for an initialism when the first letter
 begins with a vowel sound (as it does in en em you).  I can see an argument
 for a NMU if you read it as a non-maintainer upload though.
 
 Not that it means much, but googlefight shows an nmu as more popular:
 
 http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=an+nmuword2=a+nmu;
 
 But it's definitely better not to be using *both* an NMU and a NMU in
 adjacent lines as this question did before Enrico's patch...

I commited the patch now as is. If we get a decision for a NMU we can still
fix SVN. Thanks for your work.


Cheers,
Michael


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:33:38PM +, Olly Betts wrote:
  On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 
   PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
  - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
  + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.
 
  The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
  starts with a vowel in this context.
 
 Style manuals seem to recommend an for an initialism when the first letter
 begins with a vowel sound (as it does in en em you).  I can see an argument
 for a NMU if you read it as a non-maintainer upload though.

It wasn't actually Olly's fault to choose 'an' in favour of 'a': he just
pointed out the previous inconsistency. But when creating a patch, given
the choice between the two, I considered that at Debconf everyone said
ennemyou instead of new maintainer upload and went for the one that
fits with the acronym instead of the extended form.


Ciao,

Enrico

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