Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:

  PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
 - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
 + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.

The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
starts with a vowel in this context.


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sun Aug 02 13:02, Mark Brown wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 
   PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
  - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
  + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.
 
 The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
 starts with a vowel in this context.

Actually, it's to do with whether a vowel _sound_ is at the start of a
word [0]. Thus it would be an X-ray, a hotel, an honourific, a
user etc. NMU is pronounced en-em-ewe, so it should be an NMU.
(just try saying a NMU out loud, the glottal stop is horrible)

Matt

0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_and_an

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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:36:53PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote:
 On Sun Aug 02 13:02, Mark Brown wrote:

  The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
  starts with a vowel in this context.

 Actually, it's to do with whether a vowel _sound_ is at the start of a
 word [0]. Thus it would be an X-ray, a hotel, an honourific, a
 user etc. NMU is pronounced en-em-ewe, so it should be an NMU.
 (just try saying a NMU out loud, the glottal stop is horrible)

Works fine for me since I'm prononcing the 'a' fairly softly (close to
uh or eh) when running it into NMU; essentially contracting the 'a' into
the acronym.


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Olly Betts
On 2009-08-02, Mark Brown broo...@sirena.org.uk wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:

  PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
 - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
 + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.

 The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
 starts with a vowel in this context.

Style manuals seem to recommend an for an initialism when the first letter
begins with a vowel sound (as it does in en em you).  I can see an argument
for a NMU if you read it as a non-maintainer upload though.

Not that it means much, but googlefight shows an nmu as more popular:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=an+nmuword2=a+nmu;

But it's definitely better not to be using *both* an NMU and a NMU in
adjacent lines as this question did before Enrico's patch...

Cheers,
Olly


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Michael Koch
Hello,


On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:33:38PM +, Olly Betts wrote:
 Style manuals seem to recommend an for an initialism when the first letter
 begins with a vowel sound (as it does in en em you).  I can see an argument
 for a NMU if you read it as a non-maintainer upload though.
 
 Not that it means much, but googlefight shows an nmu as more popular:
 
 http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=an+nmuword2=a+nmu;
 
 But it's definitely better not to be using *both* an NMU and a NMU in
 adjacent lines as this question did before Enrico's patch...

I commited the patch now as is. If we get a decision for a NMU we can still
fix SVN. Thanks for your work.


Cheers,
Michael


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Re: More templates QA

2009-08-02 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:33:38PM +, Olly Betts wrote:
  On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
 
   PR5. What are Non-Maintainer Uploads (NMUs) and when would you do an NMU?
  - Please list the usual procedure for a NMU.
  + Please list the usual procedure for an NMU.
 
  The original is correct here; an generally only preceeds a word that
  starts with a vowel in this context.
 
 Style manuals seem to recommend an for an initialism when the first letter
 begins with a vowel sound (as it does in en em you).  I can see an argument
 for a NMU if you read it as a non-maintainer upload though.

It wasn't actually Olly's fault to choose 'an' in favour of 'a': he just
pointed out the previous inconsistency. But when creating a patch, given
the choice between the two, I considered that at Debconf everyone said
ennemyou instead of new maintainer upload and went for the one that
fits with the acronym instead of the extended form.


Ciao,

Enrico

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