prematurely deleting kernel packages !?!?!
hi, i reported here when the rc 2.6.18 kernel failed to boot my old world mac (pre g3), and also that i had been using 2.6.15 that was the only way i could run etch/testing. i was a bit bothered that i recieved no comment, but i just figured well peoples time is limited, someone may work on it when they have a chance. today i wanted the kernel headers and i found out that all the 2.6.15 powerpc packages were gone from debian. i found 2.6.18 in unstable and will try that, but i can't believe even if it were tested and shown to work on all the old world powerpc it is hardly yet time to delete it as it would not come down for another at least a week i would expect.(frankly, after getting no response to my test results i don't expect it to work here) actually i am starting to feel intuitively that 15 is getting stretched too far, there have never been and will never be any updates for it, so my choice i suppose if 18 doesn't work is to go back to sarge until i hear that it does. also i wish i had heard someone else here to try the 18 package, there were no reports at all, what is the deal, everybody disappearing just when it is important ?? brian __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Etch on IBM JS20 fails on hard drive
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:11:22AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 14:51 -0500, Mathew Binkley wrote: Hello. I attemped to install Debian Etch on a IBM JS20 using an iso from 09/22/2006. The install works correctly until it tries (and fails) to detect the PATA hard drive. None of the modules listed will work with it. When I install SuSE 9.1 on the same blade, it shows the hard drive in the logs as: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx AMD8111: IDE controller at PCI slot :00:04.1 AMD8111: chipset revision 3 AMD8111: :00:04.1 (rev 03) UDMA133 controller AMD8111: 100% native mode on irq 32 ide0: BM-DMA at 0x7c00-0x7c07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x7c08-0x7c0f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio Probing IDE interface ide0... hda: FUJITSU MHT2040AS, ATA DISK drive Unhandled interrupt 20, disabled ide0 at 0x7400-0x7407,0x6c02 on irq 32 Probing IDE interface ide1... Probing IDE interface ide1... hda: max request size: 128KiB hda: 78140160 sectors (40007 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(33) hda: cache flushes supported hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 I'm presuming that the AMD8111 chipset is not currently supported under Debian Etch for PPC. Am I wrong, or is there another explanation? Thanks! I suppose the driver isn't enabled in the default config. That should be easily fixed. Its probably modular, and either not included in the d-i images, or for some strange reason the corresponding .udeb don't get loaded. I forwarded this to debian-boot, for further investigation. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: prematurely deleting kernel packages !?!?!
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:52:25AM -0700, brian wrote: [...] i found 2.6.18 in unstable and will try that, but i can't believe even if it were tested and shown to work on all the old world powerpc it is hardly yet time to delete it as it would not come down for another at least a week i would expect.(frankly, after getting no response to my test results i don't expect it to work here) Me neither. actually i am starting to feel intuitively that 15 is getting stretched too far, there have never been and will never be any updates for it, so my choice i suppose if 18 doesn't work is to go back to sarge until i hear that it does. Use a custom 2.6.18 kernel, see below. also i wish i had heard someone else here to try the 18 package, there were no reports at all, what is the deal, everybody disappearing just when it is important ?? I also have tested the .18 kernel Sven refered me to without success (the one with BenHs patch for loading initrd). I got a mail that the bug I reported was closed 366620, but I haven't responded, I guess I should have, but I don't use the box in question anymore. And for every kernel I test, I have to rescue with the woody install floppies if it fails (I do that pretty fast, by now). Since the problem is well-known, failing to load the initrd, it is easy to workaround, by compiling in the drivers for the harddisk that / is on directly into the kernel. I have successfully ran a 2.6.18 kernel with the ide disk and ext2 complied into the kernel. Being forced to use custom kernels is of course rather annoying in the long run. -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q. What is that strange attachment in this mail? A. My digital signature, see www.gnupg.org for info on how you could use it to ensure that this mail is from me and has not been altered on the way to you. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
custom 2.6.18 and bcm43xx
Hi list: I usually build custom kernels and work with them without problems. I've been using 2.6.17.x up to and included 2.6.17.13 with bcm43xx without a glitch. With this kernel and using network-manager I get association and dhcpoffer from my router almost instantly. But then I tried a vanilla 2.6.18, built upon the same config as 2.6.17.x, and I've observed these things: 1) network manager doesn't get an IP at first try (I mean the gnome applet animated graphics), the wireless network is detected but I've to tell network manager 2,3 or 4 times (it depends) to associate with it until it finally does. 2) In this process of network-manager trying to associate with my network the machine some times hangs hard, but... 3) ...still worse: in one case (yesterday) I experimented my first sudden power off since I have this powerbook-G4 12. After restarting, the nvram was reseted (clock was at 1 jan..., fn status key was changed from my preferences, etc...). Apart from these issues with bcm43xx the kernel works ok for me. Has anyone observed this behaviour? Thanks. A. Corbi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: custom 2.6.18 and bcm43xx
On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 13:17 +0200, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot wrote: Apart from these issues with bcm43xx the kernel works ok for me. Has anyone observed this behaviour? As has been noted elsewhere, there are bcm43xx fixes for known problems that didn't make it into 2.6.18 and should be appearing in -stable at some point, patches are available at various places. johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: custom 2.6.18 and bcm43xx
El mié, 27-09-2006 a las 13:27 +0200, Johannes Berg escribió: On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 13:17 +0200, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot wrote: Apart from these issues with bcm43xx the kernel works ok for me. Has anyone observed this behaviour? As has been noted elsewhere, there are bcm43xx fixes for known problems that didn't make it into 2.6.18 and should be appearing in -stable at some point, patches are available at various places. johannes OK, good to know. I'll wait for those fixes. Thanks Johannes. Antonio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Etch on IBM JS20 fails on hard drive
On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 02:51:42PM -0500, Mathew Binkley wrote: Hello. I attemped to install Debian Etch on a IBM JS20 using an iso from 09/22/2006. The install works correctly until it tries (and fails) to detect the PATA hard drive. None of the modules listed will work with it. When I install SuSE 9.1 on the same blade, it shows the hard drive in the logs as: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx AMD8111: IDE controller at PCI slot :00:04.1 AMD8111: chipset revision 3 AMD8111: :00:04.1 (rev 03) UDMA133 controller AMD8111: 100% native mode on irq 32 ide0: BM-DMA at 0x7c00-0x7c07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x7c08-0x7c0f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio Probing IDE interface ide0... hda: FUJITSU MHT2040AS, ATA DISK drive Unhandled interrupt 20, disabled ide0 at 0x7400-0x7407,0x6c02 on irq 32 Probing IDE interface ide1... Probing IDE interface ide1... hda: max request size: 128KiB hda: 78140160 sectors (40007 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(33) hda: cache flushes supported hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 I'm presuming that the AMD8111 chipset is not currently supported under Debian Etch for PPC. Am I wrong, or is there another explanation? Thanks! The amd74xx is the one in charge, can you go into a console, and then do an lsmod to see if it is loaded ? can you try modprobing it ? I can't really check it out myself, since my devel box is currently down right now, and i have no checked out tree. Mayube someone else within the d-i team can look at the powerpc kernel .udebs to see where the amd74xx module is included and further help MAthew ? (i will also mostly be offline until friday). Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
Hi, On 9/23/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just uploaded xkb-data 0.8-13 into unstable, I see some warnings when running startx: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Multiple names for keycode 182 Using FK13, ignoring K5D Warning: Key name FK13 assigned to multiple keys Using 182, ignoring 118 Warning: Multiple names for keycode 183 Using FK14, ignoring K5E Warning: Key name FK14 assigned to multiple keys Using 183, ignoring 119 Warning: Multiple names for keycode 184 Using FK15, ignoring K5F Warning: Key name FK15 assigned to multiple keys Using 184, ignoring 120 Warning: Multiple names for keycode 157 Using KPEQ, ignoring K59 Warning: Key name KPEQ assigned to multiple keys Using 157, ignoring 126 expected keysym, got XF86AudioEject: line 2233 of inet Warning: Type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, but RALT has 2 symbols Ignoring extra symbols Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server - Best regards, Bin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: custom 2.6.18 and bcm43xx
On Wednesday 27 September 2006 13:42, Antonio-Miguel Corbi Bellot wrote: El mié, 27-09-2006 a las 13:27 +0200, Johannes Berg escribió: On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 13:17 +0200, Antonio-M. Corbi Bellot wrote: Apart from these issues with bcm43xx the kernel works ok for me. Has anyone observed this behaviour? As has been noted elsewhere, there are bcm43xx fixes for known problems that didn't make it into 2.6.18 and should be appearing in -stable at some point, patches are available at various places. these patches weren't necessary with the earlier kernels? Whats changed that would make such a radical behaviour. I also recognize these particular phenomenons with 2.6.18, witch in a need of wireless, renders a book with bcm43xx completely useless. johannes OK, good to know. I'll wait for those fixes. Thanks Johannes. Antonio -- --- Børge Kennel Arivene http://www.arivene.net ---
Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 11:15:43AM +, Jörg Sommer wrote:
Hallo Helge,
Helge Kreutzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So the following still needs to be done for a german ibook keyboard:
1. When pressing the key between ß? and backspace, I still get
nothing, while I expect ' as printed on the key. With the shift
modifier it works. This is keycode 21.
It's a dead key. Press a 'e' after it and you get é. The ' is definitive
the wrong character!
2. The AltGr-Bracket sequence is still wrong, i.e. I would like the
PC style version,
Then configure a PC style keyboard. Use pc105 instead of macintosh.
Problem so far: I'm happy with what I have with the latest xkb-data
here .. :)
I always get either a wonderful, fully fledged PC style keyboard, but
I never managed to get a, for me rather useless, Macintosh style
keyboard, with a Kp_Enter key and so on ..
Colin: Is it impossible with xkb-data 0.8-13 to set up a typical
Macintosh keyboard on Powerbooks, with Jobs' mappings for \ } ] [ {,
and KP_Enter left of the Arrow_Left key etc. ?
i.e. (starting at AltGR-7) {[]}\ while I get (starting at AltGr-5)
[]|{}}\. This behaviour should be switchable. Also I still wonder
why } is on AltGr-9 *and* AltGr-0.
3. AltGr-Q still produces « and not @
It's a Apple keyboard. Don't use it, if you don't like it.
With logics like this I could say: This is Linux. Go get OSX if you
want an Apple keyboard.
So I'd suggest we try to work it out. Instead of leaving people with
no other choices than either eating what they don't like, or going away
and buy another computer/using another OS.
Colin: Is there anything already decided in how the future keyboard
layouts on xkb-data, for Apple machines, will look like: PC-style, or
Apple style, or options for both of them?
Thanks in anticipation ..
Best Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
On Wed, Sep 27, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Colin: Is there anything already decided in how the future keyboard layouts on xkb-data, for Apple machines, will look like: PC-style, or Apple style, or options for both of them? macintosh means and does MacOS mapping. I made it that way back in 2000. Dont change it. If you want a PC map, use a PC map. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 04:00:52PM +0200, Bin Zhang wrote: Hi, On 9/23/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just uploaded xkb-data 0.8-13 into unstable, I see some warnings when running startx: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Multiple names for keycode 182 Using FK13, ignoring K5D Warning: Key name FK13 assigned to multiple keys Using 182, ignoring 118 [...] You are right, we could try now to investigate this issue. Those keys are redefined in /usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/macintosh, but I do not know why. Normally, FK13 is function key nr. 13, so if you have such a key on your keyboard, you can run xev and check its keycode. It seems that it is 182, whereas it is 118 on PC keyboards, which is why it is redefined. Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:13:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Problem so far: I'm happy with what I have with the latest xkb-data here .. :) That is, xkb-data_0.8-13_all.deb, with the patch (mac-de.diff) applied from Colin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/09/msg00305.html Best Regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key ID: E3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Etch on IBM JS20 fails on hard drive
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 10:45:55AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Mayube someone else within the d-i team can look at the powerpc kernel .udebs to see where the amd74xx module is included and further help MAthew ? Frans did it in http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/09/msg01234.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
On 9/27/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 04:00:52PM +0200, Bin Zhang wrote: Hi, On 9/23/06, Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just uploaded xkb-data 0.8-13 into unstable, I see some warnings when running startx: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Multiple names for keycode 182 Using FK13, ignoring K5D Warning: Key name FK13 assigned to multiple keys Using 182, ignoring 118 [...] You are right, we could try now to investigate this issue. Those keys are redefined in /usr/share/X11/xkb/keycodes/macintosh, but I do not know why. Normally, FK13 is function key nr. 13, so if you have such a key on your keyboard, you can run xev and check its keycode. It seems that it is 182, whereas it is 118 on PC keyboards, which is why it is redefined. There are only F1 to F12 on my ibook. Bin Denis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb-data with support for Mac keyboards into unstable
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:13:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
Problem so far: I'm happy with what I have with the latest xkb-data
here .. :)
I always get either a wonderful, fully fledged PC style keyboard, but
I never managed to get a, for me rather useless, Macintosh style
keyboard, with a Kp_Enter key and so on ..
Colin:
^
Should say: Denis.
In that mail, and at least in the one in this thread, from a few hours
ago, sent at:
Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:48:02 +0200
My apologies, Colin, and everyone for the confusion ...
Best Regards
Wolfgang
Is it impossible with xkb-data 0.8-13 to set up a typical
Macintosh keyboard on Powerbooks, with Jobs' mappings for \ } ] [ {,
and KP_Enter left of the Arrow_Left key etc. ?
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Re: prematurely deleting kernel packages !?!?!
--- Hans Ekbrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:52:25AM -0700, brian wrote: I also have tested the .18 kernel Sven refered me to without success (the one with BenHs patch for loading initrd). I got a mail that the bug I reported was closed 366620, but I haven't responded, I guess I i wish you would. the one advantage though i see to them putting this out as is is now i/we can file a new bug report against the fix, should have, but I don't use the box in question anymore. And for every kernel I test, I have to rescue with the woody install floppies if it fails (I do that pretty fast, by now). i don't use floppies, i use bootx, so i can boot the old kernel without too much hassle. although i prefer to use quik, then there is more of a hassle if i change the kernel version it wants. i was pretty happy briefly, boooting sarge via bootx and etch via quik. another thing if you want to test, especially see below if you have a way to work on a copy it can also provide a rescue option. so i have a sarge partition and a backup, assuming you can get a backup drive some where (i found old ones cheap like for $5 surplus) Since the problem is well-known, failing to load the initrd, it is easy to workaround, by compiling in the drivers for the harddisk that / is on directly into the kernel. I have have means i take it you just tested it, but you are not actually using it,or are you waiting for time to upgrade ? successfully ran a 2.6.18 kernel with the ide disk and ext2 complied into the kernel. i am still not sure this is safe to use on a production system although it may boot, if you said you had used it for say 40 hours or something with no consequences then i would trust it much more (this means also you did the complete dist-upgrade). for instance is your udev and sys and all that working properly (or maybe you don't need it ?). Being forced to use custom kernels is of course rather annoying in the long run. used to be it was more efficient actually once you got it going, but i am not sure it is so much anymore. annoying to me my interests not so much aligned with the linux kernel. if i were more of a c programmer it could be good experience for me but right now i am not sure. i mean i am past the stage where compiling and configuring really mean much to me, if my studies led me into operating systems then i would be more than willing to look into the situation further but right now it seems like a distraction. my hunch tho, a strong one, is that the new initrd new support is going to be necessary in the future. it may first be necessary in some cases to have a regular kernel but i would try and get the initrd support working if at all possible. it seems some of the problem is around merging the subarches and so i bet they are not too eager to branch it again. still the deletion of the 15 series before a solution is tested has lowered my trust in debian a notch, along with the general management of the whole etch thing. i still think the people are mostly great but the organization has some real significant conflicts. -- Hans Ekbrand (http://sociologi.cjb.net) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q. What is that strange attachment in this mail? A. My digital signature, see www.gnupg.org for info on how you could use it to ensure that this mail is from me and has not been altered on the way to you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
