Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread Chaos Wombat

I'm seeing a price of $2,300 in the U.S.

But the exchange rate is 1 US dollar = 0.852 euros, so that's only 1959€.

Is that price including VAT?  If not, they're gouging you.  If so, your 
government is gouging you.  Either way, have someone in the U.S. order 
it for you.




Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread Carlos
AFAIK, the US prices are always without taxes.
Don’t forget the import tax, you have to pay. For Germany 19%, if I’m right.

You can try, to let send the POWER9 system from a private person to the EU. But 
if this fails, you have to pay also a tax penalty, AFAIK.

Additional informations about the system:

- E-ATX (12“ x 13“) mainboard
- With the 3U HSF assemblies, noise is very low.
- Power consumption of the POWER9 is far less than POWER8
- If you buy the Dual CPU bundle, the PSU needs a dual EPS 12V connector
- no mini PCIe slot
- No M2 slot
- 1x OCuLink port (what is this?)
- 6x 4-pin fan connectors on the mainboard
- To provide maximal PCIe bandwidth for all peripherals, each slot is serviced 
by a dedicated CPU. As such, two CPUs are required to activate all PCIe slots

Important note:
Pre-order is required. They will watching the outcome of this preorder process, 
i.e. whether there is enough expected demand to expand further into 
OpenPOWER-based libre-friendly
systems or if they end up going a different direction entirely.

The shipping costs with „United States Postal Service Priority International"
Single CPU bundle: 110$
The whole system cannot be delivered: „Shipper cannot accept package“

I think, I will pre-order the Single CPU bundle :-)


> Am 11.08.2017 um 13:26 schrieb Chaos Wombat :
> 
> I'm seeing a price of $2,300 in the U.S.
> 
> But the exchange rate is 1 US dollar = 0.852 euros, so that's only 1959€.
> 
> Is that price including VAT?  If not, they're gouging you.  If so, your 
> government is gouging you.  Either way, have someone in the U.S. order it for 
> you.
> 



Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2017 07:26 AM, Chaos Wombat wrote:
> Is that price including VAT?  If not, they're gouging you.
> If so, your government is gouging you.

That "government gouging you" is called running a state and supporting
society. It's the job of the vendor to come up with a good price with
taxes included.

> Either way, have someone in the U.S. order it for you.

Which won't you help at all since the moment you bring anything you
bought abroad into your own country you will have to pay sales tax.

Adrian

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Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread Chaos Wombat

On 08/11/2017 08:15 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:

That "government gouging you" is called running a state and supporting
society.


Most of that money is wasted and a lot of it is used for antisocial 
purposes.  I can use it better for the good of society than they can. I 
am not going to be terrorized by their threats of punishment into 
automatic compliance.





Either way, have someone in the U.S. order it for you.


Which won't you help at all since the moment you bring anything you
bought abroad into your own country you will have to pay sales tax.


I guess you aren't trying to think about how to do it successfully.

End tangent.



Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 04:46:50PM +0200, Carlos wrote:
> AFAIK, the US prices are always without taxes.
> Don’t forget the import tax, you have to pay. For Germany 19%, if I’m right.
> 
> You can try, to let send the POWER9 system from a private person to the EU. 
> But if this fails, you have to pay also a tax penalty, AFAIK.
> 
> Additional informations about the system:
> 
> - E-ATX (12“ x 13“) mainboard
> - With the 3U HSF assemblies, noise is very low.
> - Power consumption of the POWER9 is far less than POWER8
> - If you buy the Dual CPU bundle, the PSU needs a dual EPS 12V connector
> - no mini PCIe slot
> - No M2 slot
> - 1x OCuLink port (what is this?)

http://blog.fosketts.net/2017/06/22/what-is-oculink/

So PCIe over a cable, similar to what thunderbolt does.

-- 
Len Sorensen



Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2017 06:59 PM, Badiane Ka wrote:
> You should install CUPS in order to get use your printer. 

Can you please not endorse people to hijack threads?
Also, I don't really see how printing problems are related to PowerPC.

Adrian

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Re: Talos™ II Secure Workstation Pre-Order

2017-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2017 06:59 PM, Badiane Ka wrote:
> You should install CUPS in order to get use your printer. 

Can you please not endorse people to hijack threads?
Also, I don't really see how printing problems are related to PowerPC.

Adrian

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