Re: Planet Debian revisions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 1/3/19 2:21 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Where would be the best place to reach planet syndicators to notify > them about the update, d-d-a? Chances are people posting on Planet also read Planet :P But yeah, d-d-a is also a good idea. - -- ,''`. : :' : Louis-Philippe Véronneau `. `'` po...@debian.org / veronneau.org `- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEZ39U8fqGga2OwLzmeurE7GqqCpcFAlwtuw8ACgkQeurE7Gqq CpepuA/9ELYQsx0bD6L9N2c8jNr9jB+JKhYPads8Q8jtCUjk0Hmv0wf+FhZ34HVR Szj6W3OVbMagNL0e78pS73q1psePi52Q7tbExOII/p3R8EBHO+wECOhYwGkDiUT9 ttBcW+Y1K5sQoHnGRlDZ89gLUbNIY2HUyXxUn8SIROFuB34qmyIkUhfLs7VSU91R MpA4iuRpSfaE2+VL+cOgAgqxqnvo1+UPKel1gZqua2JSQpGBfyq/OnAKvAVLIvEt HpZ/V9+dF7pWE5kUxo9BS3NMA83vm2QMR0D0qeWMPu+6Z5stYhk/fzhvhIxyJOQ5 OdRjVxWE6GS9FylzuPezW0Qi4yEDAXTJItFTJB/y326FC48YbUlko6XHnOCO1TqV dSDLe3dPdTswxFP8wMMTt/WCFEZZzmz/ZD46p3p/QhibYWd39x4VTP8qYnwS4Ovc R/s2AFj9ASbmf1d8judD+7Baa5b1bZ/oZSfT1SSBilq/GoYRmLfIAbCimyRsXf7A GXEN6Q7ubJOh3/MCWNS6bUYAzx4GQby6E82QQg/+ORu/VoA5zCOVHwXDYxZj4oZQ E2LCRNUEQWsVNP9r2lKxvcu+hKJrfjGX+2Bh7cNSCLapyst+in7VkzHArl4RwY2t 5ldBbSUOK26WucrCvgKegklErDt6BT25yKSeT+oy7hvXY2wJL/o= =8FAe -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Planet Debian revisions
On 2019/01/03 02:23, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: > I like these changes. Thanks for doing this. Thanks, the changes are now live: https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian Where would be the best place to reach planet syndicators to notify them about the update, d-d-a? -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian Developer - https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Be Bold. Be brave. Debian has got your back.
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Re: Compassion For Those Worried Whether They are Welcome
> >> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre writes:
> >
> >Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm
> >Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single
> >Steve> mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic
> >Steve> principles on how we want all people to interact. If you make
> >Steve> a mistake and do a bad thing, people will tell you and ask
> >Steve> you to re-word, apologise, whatever.
> >
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 07:45:55AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >
> >Asking for reassurance that we'll be treated with compassion and
> >empathy, given a chance to understand what is going on and heard when
> >we speak our part of the story is natural.
> >THESE INSECURITIES AND ASKING FOR THAT REASSURANCE DOES NOT UNDERMINE
> >THE CODE OF CONDUCT.
Le Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 01:26:07PM +, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
>
> Nod. Apologies if my message sounds insensitive here! There are some
> who I think might appear to be trying to undermine it, but I agree I'm
> being unfair. Thanks for the correction.
Hi Steve, and happy new year to you and everybody,
thanks for your clarification; I found your original message very
troubling and accusatory indeed.
Frankly speaking, your reply to Sam does not entierly dissipate the
discomfort that I had when I read your first message. When you write
"There are some who I think might appear to be trying to undermine [the
CoC]", I think that you unfortunately create a climate of suspicion.
The more I read the CoC, the more I think that its point 2 ("assuming
good faith") is very important and effective. (Mildening your words
with "might appear to be trying" does solve the problem, think for
instance if I would add that it perhaps may possibly make it even
worse). I think that referring to specific statements (and not to
people, even collectively under "some") would have made your point much
stronger.
Adding "I agree I'm being unfair" adds to the confusion, in my opinion.
If you have doubts on the facts, but feel that you need to react in
order to counteract "those trying to undermine" our CoC, may I suggest
to focus on the post that you find most ambiguous, state your concerns
and ask for a clarification ? You would not need to follow up as people
can then judge the facts by themselves after reading the clarification
(or seeing its absence).
Have a nice day,
Charles
PS: thank you nevertheless for expressing your views in public (as
opposed to debian-private).
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Re: Planet Debian revisions
> > I've added everyone's suggestions because I think they were good, here's > > the updated section on a subpage: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian/ProposedChanges > > > > If I get two +1's I'll go ahead and change it. > > +1 > > Cheers, Phil. > > P.S. with the caveat that I'd prefer "contact" to "reach out to", > but that's probably just me showing my age, or some such. I like these changes. Thanks for doing this. Later, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill https://mako.cc/ Creativity can be a social contribution, but only in so far as society is free to use the results. --GNU Manifesto
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Le Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 06:54:25PM +0100, Enrico Zini a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 05:39:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > > 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an > > appropriate medium for this. > > If I'm still on time, I'd suggest: "personal fights, insults, or slurs", > as I'm not sure how much we can give for granted that everyone > understands that using slurs counts as insulting. Hi Enrico, on my side, I have no idea what a "slur" is: this word is new to me and I would need a dictionary to understand that rule. I would like to suggest to keep a simple English vocabulary when writing rules. Have a nice day ! -- Charles
Re: Planet Debian revisions
On 2019/01/03 00:26, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform >> to our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an >> entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet >> administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. >> """ > > Only that one. We don't remove single posts. Its a blog in or out. > >> On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer >> should add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being >> removed", but not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. > > There are commit messages... Also, if you just comment it out, leave a > comment line right above it, shouldnt be hard. > But then, usually there is the policy to modify YOUR OWN (see "How do I > add..."), and then a "if you advocate, blabla, you may add theirs". > So it shouldnt be a common action for many to remove others. Updated point 6 based you your and Phil's last feedback: """ Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that violate our community standards may result in removal of the feed. When a feed is removed, the committer must state the reason for removal, either in a commit message or in the edited file. If unsure, please contact the planet administrators instead of re-adding a feed yourself. """ Full text: https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian/ProposedChanges -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian Developer - https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Be Bold. Be brave. Debian has got your back.
Re: Planet Debian revisions
On 15270 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote: Dear Planet administrators and debian-project Based on the very short amount of discussion we've had so far, I'd like to make the following changes to https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian Yah, followed that, didn't see reason to add more to it. :) """ 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an appropriate medium for this. 5. Debian's community standards fully apply to Planet Debian, that includes following [[https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct|Debian's Code of Conduct]]. 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform to our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. """ Only that one. We don't remove single posts. Its a blog in or out. On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being removed", but not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. There are commit messages... Also, if you just comment it out, leave a comment line right above it, shouldnt be hard. But then, usually there is the policy to modify YOUR OWN (see "How do I add..."), and then a "if you advocate, blabla, you may add theirs". So it shouldnt be a common action for many to remove others. -- bye, Joerg
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Jonathan Carter writes: > On 2019/01/02 19:54, Enrico Zini wrote: >> If I'm still on time, I'd suggest: "personal fights, insults, or slurs", >> as I'm not sure how much we can give for granted that everyone >> understands that using slurs counts as insulting. > > IMHO we're going to have to revisit these rules a few times to get it > right, so even after this round of edits I think we should be open to > suggestions and possibly cutting some cruft too so that it's easier to > read. But for now I think these initial additions will help to address > some of the most pressing problems. > > I've added everyone's suggestions because I think they were good, here's > the updated section on a subpage: > > https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian/ProposedChanges > > If I get two +1's I'll go ahead and change it. +1 Cheers, Phil. P.S. with the caveat that I'd prefer "contact" to "reach out to", but that's probably just me showing my age, or some such. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Planet Debian revisions
On 2019/01/02 19:54, Enrico Zini wrote: > If I'm still on time, I'd suggest: "personal fights, insults, or slurs", > as I'm not sure how much we can give for granted that everyone > understands that using slurs counts as insulting. IMHO we're going to have to revisit these rules a few times to get it right, so even after this round of edits I think we should be open to suggestions and possibly cutting some cruft too so that it's easier to read. But for now I think these initial additions will help to address some of the most pressing problems. I've added everyone's suggestions because I think they were good, here's the updated section on a subpage: https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian/ProposedChanges If I get two +1's I'll go ahead and change it. -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian Developer - https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Be Bold. Be brave. Debian has got your back.
Re: Planet Debian revisions
On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 05:39:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an > appropriate medium for this. If I'm still on time, I'd suggest: "personal fights, insults, or slurs", as I'm not sure how much we can give for granted that everyone understands that using slurs counts as insulting. Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Thank you for doing this. On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 05:39:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: 5. Debian's community standards fully apply to Planet Debian, that includes following [[https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct|Debian's Code of Conduct]]. I think this should be point #1. It's the most important point, IMHO. 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform to our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. I think technically individual posts cannot be removed, just entire blogs. Editing #6 accordingly would also make it shorter and easier to read. On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being removed", but not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. I'm not sure that would necessarily be helpful. The URI (being externally managed) would not be guaranteed to continue to serve the same content at a later date. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.
Re: Planet Debian revisions
On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 03:54:00PM +, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: >Jonathan Carter: >> Dear Planet administrators and debian-project >> >> Based on the very short amount of discussion we've had so far, I'd like >> to make the following changes to https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian >> >> I've scaled the wording down from what I originally suggested on >> debian-project so that it doesn't include the term "smear campaign. > >Thanks for working on this! > >> Under the section "What Can I Post On Planet", I would like to add the >> following points: >> >> """ >> 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an >> appropriate medium for this. > >> 5. Debian's community standards fully apply to Planet Debian, that >> includes following [[https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct|Debian's >> Code of Conduct]]. >> >> 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform to > >"that don't" instead of "that doesn't" +1 >> our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an >> entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet > >"entire feed" ? +1 >"In this case" instead of "In such a case" ? > >> administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. > >"before" or "instead" ? "instead" is better, I think. >> """ > >It all sounds good. Yup! >> On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should >> add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being removed", but >> not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. > >I think this is useful. Maybe "When a blog is removed, the committer >must (or should?) state a reason for the removal. If unsure, please >reach out to the Planet administrators." Sounds good to me. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out whether they're being malicious or incompetent. Capital letters are forecast." Matthew Garrett, http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/30675.html
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Jonathan Carter: > Dear Planet administrators and debian-project > > Based on the very short amount of discussion we've had so far, I'd like > to make the following changes to https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian > > I've scaled the wording down from what I originally suggested on > debian-project so that it doesn't include the term "smear campaign. > > Under the section "What Can I Post On Planet", I would like to add the > following points: > > """ > 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an > appropriate medium for this. > > 5. Debian's community standards fully apply to Planet Debian, that > includes following [[https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct|Debian's > Code of Conduct]]. > > 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform to > our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an > entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet > administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. > """ > > On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should > add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being removed", but > not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. > > Any thoughts? > > I'll go ahead and add it if there are no objections. > > -Jonathan > FWIW (as a random Debian Contributor), I would be glad to see that amendment. :) Thanks for making Debian a nicer place to work. :) Thanks, ~Niels
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Hi Jonathan, Jonathan Carter: > Dear Planet administrators and debian-project > > Based on the very short amount of discussion we've had so far, I'd like > to make the following changes to https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian > > I've scaled the wording down from what I originally suggested on > debian-project so that it doesn't include the term "smear campaign. Thanks for working on this! > Under the section "What Can I Post On Planet", I would like to add the > following points: > > """ > 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an > appropriate medium for this. > 5. Debian's community standards fully apply to Planet Debian, that > includes following [[https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct|Debian's > Code of Conduct]]. > > 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform to "that don't" instead of "that doesn't" > our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an > entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet "entire feed" ? "In this case" instead of "In such a case" ? > administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. "before" or "instead" ? > """ It all sounds good. > On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should > add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being removed", but > not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. I think this is useful. Maybe "When a blog is removed, the committer must (or should?) state a reason for the removal. If unsure, please reach out to the Planet administrators." Cheers! u.
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Dear Planet administrators and debian-project Based on the very short amount of discussion we've had so far, I'd like to make the following changes to https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian I've scaled the wording down from what I originally suggested on debian-project so that it doesn't include the term "smear campaign. Under the section "What Can I Post On Planet", I would like to add the following points: """ 4. Avoid posting personal fights or insults. Planet Debian is not an appropriate medium for this. 5. Debian's community standards fully apply to Planet Debian, that includes following [[https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct|Debian's Code of Conduct]]. 6. Posts that are syndicated on Planet Debian that doesn't conform to our community standards may result in removal of a post or even an entire blog. In such a case, please reach out to the Planet administrators before re-adding your blog yourself. """ On #6 I was tempted to add "When a blog is removed, the committer should add a comment listing the posts that resulted in it being removed", but not sure if that's overloading it a bit too much. Any thoughts? I'll go ahead and add it if there are no objections. -Jonathan -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian Developer - https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org ⠈⠳⣄ Be Bold. Be brave. Debian has got your back.
Re: Compassion For Those Worried Whether They are Welcome
On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 07:45:55AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: >> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre writes: > >Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm >Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single >Steve> mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic >Steve> principles on how we want all people to interact. If you make >Steve> a mistake and do a bad thing, people will tell you and ask >Steve> you to re-word, apologise, whatever. > >Steve, I agree that the code of conduct is important. >I agree that some comments sound like they are undermining it or trying >to rehash old arguments. > >I think that's draining. > >However, I'd like to take a moment to ask all of us to empathize with a >common position. >We've seen two people who made significant technical contributions >expelled from the project. If you weren't paying a lot of attention, >there were no obvious public signs that a process was underway. > >Many members of our project have never had to interact with a concerned >DAM team or the sharper parts of our conflict resolution process. > >It's easy to worry that something will spiral out of control and you >will be ejected from a community that you've put a lot of your heart >into over the years. >As you say, we're all human and we all make mistakes. > >As humans it is natural to feel insecure when you see something like >this happen. > >Asking for reassurance that we'll be treated with compassion and >empathy, given a chance to understand what is going on and heard when >we speak our part of the story is natural. >THESE INSECURITIES AND ASKING FOR THAT REASSURANCE DOES NOT UNDERMINE >THE CODE OF CONDUCT. Nod. Apologies if my message sounds insensitive here! There are some who I think might appear to be trying to undermine it, but I agree I'm being unfair. Thanks for the correction. >In this instance the insecurities are stronger because we're seeing >people ejected and claiming that they were not given those chances and >that they were surprised. > >To be clear, I am speaking from personal experience here. I think I've >made positive contributions to the project, and I know people over the >years have come to me when they had problems with what I did. >If I think about it rationally, I have confidence that I'd be given a >chance to learn and improve. >And yet I looked at this and wondered if I'd someday find myself the >subject of a surprise ejection. > >I was able to convince myself that my fear stems from how much I care >about Debian. I do have confidence that even if there are trouble it >can be worked through. For that matter, even if I found myself on the >out, I could respectfully work to get back in and improve the process. > >Yet I firmly support the code of conduct and the importance of creating >a safe space. > >I ask you to separate those who are trying to question the code of >conduct from those who are seeking a very natural reassurance. Agreed. Happy New Year to you and yours! -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane
Compassion For Those Worried Whether They are Welcome
> "Steve" == Steve McIntyre writes: Steve> For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm Steve> worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single Steve> mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic Steve> principles on how we want all people to interact. If you make Steve> a mistake and do a bad thing, people will tell you and ask Steve> you to re-word, apologise, whatever. Steve, I agree that the code of conduct is important. I agree that some comments sound like they are undermining it or trying to rehash old arguments. I think that's draining. However, I'd like to take a moment to ask all of us to empathize with a common position. We've seen two people who made significant technical contributions expelled from the project. If you weren't paying a lot of attention, there were no obvious public signs that a process was underway. Many members of our project have never had to interact with a concerned DAM team or the sharper parts of our conflict resolution process. It's easy to worry that something will spiral out of control and you will be ejected from a community that you've put a lot of your heart into over the years. As you say, we're all human and we all make mistakes. As humans it is natural to feel insecure when you see something like this happen. Asking for reassurance that we'll be treated with compassion and empathy, given a chance to understand what is going on and heard when we speak our part of the story is natural. THESE INSECURITIES AND ASKING FOR THAT REASSURANCE DOES NOT UNDERMINE THE CODE OF CONDUCT. In this instance the insecurities are stronger because we're seeing people ejected and claiming that they were not given those chances and that they were surprised. To be clear, I am speaking from personal experience here. I think I've made positive contributions to the project, and I know people over the years have come to me when they had problems with what I did. If I think about it rationally, I have confidence that I'd be given a chance to learn and improve. And yet I looked at this and wondered if I'd someday find myself the subject of a surprise ejection. I was able to convince myself that my fear stems from how much I care about Debian. I do have confidence that even if there are trouble it can be worked through. For that matter, even if I found myself on the out, I could respectfully work to get back in and improve the process. Yet I firmly support the code of conduct and the importance of creating a safe space. I ask you to separate those who are trying to question the code of conduct from those who are seeking a very natural reassurance. Thanks, --Sam signature.asc Description: PGP signature
On having and using a Code of Conduct
Hey folks, We've been having some very tense discussions in various fora lately, and it's striking that yet again we seem to be re-hashing arguments about having a Code of Conduct [1], and enforcing it. It's massively draining, and should not be necessary. Fundamentally, I don't believe the adoption of our Code of Conduct should be controversial. It's not like there are any points in it that were not already valid as the most basic rules for interaction, even before it was officially ratified. For those trying to undermine it with statements like "I'm worried I'll be thrown out of Debian if I make a single mistake", please give it a rest already. These are basic principles on how we want all people to interact. If you make a mistake and do a bad thing, people will tell you and ask you to re-word, apologise, whatever. It happens to all of us, nobody is perfect. Accept it, learn from it and move on. A mistake doesn't make you a *bad person*. What *does* cause problems is repeated digressions and a refusal to improve behaviour. There's a world of difference there. [1] https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Google-bait: http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Planet Debian revisions
Hi Jonathan, and Happy New Year! On Tue, Jan 01, 2019 at 10:38:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: >On 2019/01/01 22:22, Wouter Verhelst wrote: ... >> (for clarity, that was part of the original GR that validated the code >> of conduct) >> >> I don't think it's a stretch (at all!) to claim that Planet Debian falls >> under the "other modes of communication" bit there. > >Yes absolutely, I didn't mean to imply anything of the contrary. I just >brought it up because I think it would be a good idea to link to the CoC >from the PlanetDebian wiki page. Absolutely. Make it so! >>> I think what I miss a bit in the Planet rules is the "Be respectful" >>> part and the "Be careful in the words that you choose. Be kind to >>> others. Do not insult or put down other participants. Harassment and >>> other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable." Making it clear that you >>> cannot always agree, but that personal attacks are unacceptable. >> >> I think the code of conduct states those things too (although in other >> formulations), and just updating the Planet rules to clarify that the >> code of conduct applies should be enough? > >I think it's part of it. > >I really do think it's also worth while to explicitly have a short part >stating what the planet is not appropriate for, stating that it's not >appropriate to use the planet to republish personal arguments or smear >campaigns. Sure, that would also be against the CoC, but it will make it >much more easier to remove posts that do things like that rather than >having to rely on an interpretation of the CoC every time that matter >comes up. Sounds reaonable, yes. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com "When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich signature.asc Description: PGP signature
