Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:13:38PM +1000, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: JFYI. Debian has been represented at the meeting by Enrico Zini (who has blogged about various aspects of the meeting as well [1,2,3]) and David Kalnischkies. In the end, quite some pieces of Debian technologies have attracted interest and are on their way to be part of the proposed solution. Well done! It might also be interesting to note that Vincent Untz is planned to do a talk at the next FOSDEM about this meeting: http://www.fosdem.org/2011/schedule/event/distro_example -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110131100027.gb1...@celtic.nixsys.be
Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting
On 01/27/2011 06:07 PM, David Kalnischkies wrote: I am thinking of the AppStream project therefore as a big experiment to work together and I have the strong hope that we can find more places where we can work on together instead of against each other. Agreed. And if you see we were able to come up with lot of agreements without falling in the typical two Linux traps: - talking about packaging - talking about GUI toolkits or desktop environments We are focusing in the user and the simple problem of finding a cool app and install it. We are using PackageKit to solve technical issues in the current reality of Linux, but if the user gets the software as a Chrome extension or a full self contained image, he will not care, and we will slowly open our minds and leave more and more dogmas out to fulfill this goal. Duncan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d443175.2050...@suse.de
Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting
Hi, thanks for the report and the fine work which the report is basing upon. A view remarks: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:13:38PM +1000, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: We do not want the end users we target here to have to learn about packages: they already know what an application is, and this is what they actually care about (I want Inkscape). Cool. I think it is not even precise enough. Considering xapian is involved it could rather be: I want to draw vector graphics. - Access apps metadata through xapian Very cool! - Access additional metadata through OCS (Open Collaboration Services) - Access screenshots, possibly through screenshots.debian.net (using a per-distro proxy) or similar services For Debian todo list: A service as important for Debian and obviosely for other should definitely moved under DSA control and should be screenshots.debian.ORG ! b) The Debian tagging system (debtags) Tagging applications can help users find the applications they look for. The meeting was too short to think about reaching a full agreement on this, but there was interest in the debtags system. If most distributions are interested in adopting this system, we will integrate debtags into the overall architecture. Similarly here: DebTags is currently at debtags.alioth.debian.org. I have noticed that debtags.debian.net Works :-) and there is no debtags.debian.org. IMHO this would increase the visibility of a technique which is underestimated and to less known / used even inside Debian. What I'm missing in the summary and what was probably not discussed is another user oriented service: ddtp.debian.net. Translating descriptions of packages^Wapplications is IMHO quite important to do the last final step to complete world domination. As I know from some discussion on debian-i18n list[1] DDTSS is severely broken and needs definitely some love. Some effort to put it under DSA control is somehow stalled and the technique behind needs some more love by a gifted and dedicated programmer. Please do not forget: Those users who say I want to draw vector graphics. will say it in their mother tongue and we geeks to frequently forget that this is not necessarily English. The availability of translated descriptions is IMHO crucial for the success of the App-Intaller attempt. The DDTP project is quite there where we need to go but it needs more love. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2011/01/msg00044.html -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110127092636.gg3...@an3as.eu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110127092636.gg3...@an3as.eu
Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:55:36PM +0100, David Kalnischkies wrote: If I remember correctly, DDTP got a short mention and the result was: Wow, debian really has translations for package descriptions?!? Other distributions seem to have only failed (=very outdated) tries if any. IMHO this does show two things: 1. Debian is cool (people here know this). ;-) 2. Debian fails to communicate this coolness. :-( AppStream focuses on translations of the name, keywords and (short) summary managed by upstream. We talked shortly about longer descriptions (possibly with markdown) but this would easily blow up the currently rather small app-data.xml similar to how the long descriptions are quiet a big part of our Packages files currently - beside the problem: Who will write these descriptions: Upstream is not necessarily the best author… The question is: What is a short summary. From my packaging experience the first shot what we call long description is an snippet from the homepage of a project (by stripping of some redundancies and pure advertising stuff). It ends up in a one to three paragraphs text which easily can be turned into Markdown formatted text. I'm using this on the Debian Blends pages (see example below [1]) and because the translations are in the same format they can be easily plugged in (the example [1] is using translations into more than 10 languages ... if available in DDTP) For the content itself: I agree that upstream is not necessarily the best author but I assume that maintainers in other dists are doing it quite similar to waht we do in Debian: Revise a text from upstream or try to invent one. So the descriptions are there - we just need to define what a good (short) description is (there are bad examples as well[2]) So translated long descriptions are currently out of the (shared) scope, as we simple can't discuss everything in two and a half days, but to add another quote: It's xml, so we can add anything we like/need later. Sure. My point was: We (as in Debian) should increase our translation infrastructure to put it on a solid and reliable basis so once the App-Store effort comes to the point of seeking translations for including in their format we can simply provide the content. I guess the DDTP project will be part of follow-up discussions as it is similar to debtags and screenshots - its more or less the only working solution - and you are right: all of them are badly needed. Yes. Kind regards and thanks for the App-Store effort and cross-distro discussion Andreas. [1] http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/bio [2] http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/typesetting -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110127124507.gc3...@an3as.eu
Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting
Hi! Am 27.01.2011 13:45, schrieb Andreas Tille: If I remember correctly, DDTP got a short mention and the result was: Wow, debian really has translations for package descriptions?!? Other distributions seem to have only failed (=very outdated) tries if any. IMHO this does show two things: 1. Debian is cool (people here know this). ;-) 2. Debian fails to communicate this coolness. :-( FWIW: It will be mentioned in the next issue of the Debian Project News. Feel free to review it: svn+ssh://svn.alioth.debian.org/svn/publicity/dpn/en/current/index.wml Best regards, Alexander -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d4172c3.8080...@schmehl.info
Re: Results of the App Installer Meeting
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 13:45, Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:55:36PM +0100, David Kalnischkies wrote: If I remember correctly, DDTP got a short mention and the result was: Wow, debian really has translations for package descriptions?!? Other distributions seem to have only failed (=very outdated) tries if any. IMHO this does show two things: 1. Debian is cool (people here know this). ;-) 2. Debian fails to communicate this coolness. :-( Unfortunately yes, debtags got a similar reaction and screenshots wasn't the best known thing either, but what this really shows is that we all fail big-time in communication across distros as I for example personally didn't know a single bit about zypper and the underlying sat-solver or to be fair just a bit more than nothing about the rpm world in general. Debian has a relatively good communication with derivates (thanks front-desk) but between deb and rpm world¹ is a pretty big gulf and on each side we (re)invent the wheel as its hard enough to communicate about your cool new $something in your own world, the aliens are even harder to app-roach… ¹ don't even thing of 'world of gentoo' or arch or one of the others now… I am thinking of the AppStream project therefore as a big experiment to work together and I have the strong hope that we can find more places where we can work on together instead of against each other. AppStream focuses on translations of the name, keywords and (short) summary managed by upstream. We talked shortly about longer descriptions (possibly with markdown) but this would easily blow up the currently rather small app-data.xml similar to how the long descriptions are quiet a big part of our Packages files currently - beside the problem: Who will write these descriptions: Upstream is not necessarily the best author… The question is: What is a short summary. From my packaging Approximation: It is our first line of the long description - at least that is how it is called in rpm world as they have a difference between summary and (long) description. There are btw many ambitions resulting from the gulf as we developed different names for essential the same thing (sections, recommends)… For the content itself: I agree that upstream is not necessarily the best author but I assume that maintainers in other dists are doing it quite similar to waht we do in Debian: Revise a text from upstream or try to invent one. So the descriptions are there - we just need to define what a good (short) description is (there are bad examples as well[2]) Thats another usecase of package name matching: look at how debian describes the 'same' package compared to fedora. Sharing is maybe difficult as some descriptions mention alternatives and/or comparisons to other packages in the archive which is at least inconvenient if the mentioned program isn't packaged for $your-distro. Another thing is the rationality for suggesting an other package. E.g.: To play this foo game on lan with your friends you need to install the foo-lanserver on debian while mandriva ships both bundled… Best regards David Kalnischkies P.S.: A LOT of mails regarding descriptions were send only to the distributi...@l.fd.o list, so we might proceed in talking there. (beware: not subscribers are moderated which is kind of awkward, but heh, I don't make the rules…) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=tnLi7W2m4J7KMPJ5yGPmkhqZ8c2m6Cz2B=l...@mail.gmail.com
Results of the App Installer Meeting
JFYI. Debian has been represented at the meeting by Enrico Zini (who has blogged about various aspects of the meeting as well [1,2,3]) and David Kalnischkies. In the end, quite some pieces of Debian technologies have attracted interest and are on their way to be part of the proposed solution. Well done! Cheers. [1] http://www.enricozini.org/2011/debian/appinstaller2011/ [2] http://www.enricozini.org/2011/debian/pkgshelf/ [3] http://www.enricozini.org/2011/debian/distromatch/ - Forwarded message from Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org - Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:57:41 +0100 From: Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org To: distributi...@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Results of the App Installer Meeting Hi all, The cross-distro App Installer Meeting that was announced a few weeks ago took place last week. It was a very productive meeting, with people from Debian, Fedora, Mageia, openSUSE and Ubuntu attending. We wanted to see how we can collaborate on the creation of a good user experience for installing applications, and we reached concrete results: we agreed on an architecture to achieve this, with specific technologies to be used. A quick foreword: with this project, the user experience is what matters to us. This means that our approach is application-centric instead of being package-centric. We do not want the end users we target here to have to learn about packages: they already know what an application is, and this is what they actually care about (I want Inkscape). It is in no way an attempt to kill packages; on the contrary, we'll build on top of them. But this application-centric focus has several impacts on the design of the architecture, from the user interface to metadata that we want to display to users. Architecture The overall architecture of the project is described at: http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/Implementation We aim for getting a working implementation as soon as possible by tying together existing projects. The architecture allows different implementations, though. In particular, there is no reason why other client implementations shouldn't exist or the data shouldn't be accessed by the existing, distribution-specific tools. Here's a very high-level summary: + On the client side: - Use the Ubuntu Software Center as the reference UI (it should be possible to implement other UI since everything is open) - Access apps metadata through xapian - Access additional metadata through OCS (Open Collaboration Services) - Access screenshots, possibly through screenshots.debian.net (using a per-distro proxy) or similar services + On the server side: - Generate apps metadata, based on information coming from upstream .desktop files - Make this metadata (as well as icons and more) available, ideally in the distribution repositories, on the mirrors + Per-distribution work: - The tool to generate the apps metadata will possibly be per-distro - Each distro can decide on some policy wrt OCS: . Use a distro-specific server or not . Display comments/ratings/screenshots from other distros or not . etc. While we do welcome comments, it's worth pointing out that it's easy to get stuck on trying to plan the best architecture ever, and we'll avoid this: this architecture is our plan, and we will implement it :-) Additional architectural bits = There are additional bits that we looked at, but that did not fit into to overall architecture yet. It is our intention to integrate these bits, though. a) Matching packages between distributions This may become handy if we want to share data like screenshots, comments or ratings. The decision to use such data from other distributions should be up to each distribution, but we want to enable this possibility. This has other uses for the contributor communities, like easily browsing patches from other distributions. b) The Debian tagging system (debtags) Tagging applications can help users find the applications they look for. The meeting was too short to think about reaching a full agreement on this, but there was interest in the debtags system. If most distributions are interested in adopting this system, we will integrate debtags into the overall architecture. Where do we go now? === To keep us moving, we established a schedule for the development of this project: http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/ActionItems Let me quickly summarize the timeline we're targetting (skipping some details from the wiki page): + April: Publish metadata / Port UI - Publish app metadata as part of the distros repos - Make this app metadata available via xapian in all distros - Port Ubuntu Software Center to non-Debian-based systems + July: Integrate non-static metadata - Setup OCS servers for distros - Use OCS from the Application
Re: [vu...@gnome.org: Cross-distro meeting about application installer]
(re-adding debian-project@ to the loop so both lists have the attendees info) On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:33, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:58:05AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: We're organizing a cross-distro meeting in January to discuss the application installer topic. It's a hot topic in many distros at the moment, and we believe it's an area where we can collaborate a lot. […] All the information about the meeting is at http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/Meetings/AppInstaller2011 Status update on Debian presence there: Enrico Zini has kindly volunteered to attend as a Debian representative. I'd like to took this Another short update: I volunteered last-minute as a second debian attendee to get the 'platform' APT into the loop, too. Together with our friends from ubuntu we should have a broad coverage and voice for debian in the meeting and a lot to discuss but feel free to provide (additional) topics and opinions for us to bring along to ensure they will be all covered. Best regards David Kalnischkies -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=l-obcc75dtyzc3opx6ln_rmt=kx2bbjeg6...@mail.gmail.com
[vu...@gnome.org: Cross-distro meeting about application installer]
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:49:48 +0100
From: Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org
To: distributi...@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Cross-distro meeting about application installer
Hi all,
We're organizing a cross-distro meeting in January to discuss the
application installer topic. It's a hot topic in many distros at the
moment, and we believe it's an area where we can collaborate a lot.
I've contacted various people privately already (from Debian, Fedora,
Mageia, openSUSE and Ubuntu), and there's interest in such a meeting.
All the information about the meeting is at
http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/Meetings/AppInstaller2011
If you'd like to attend the meeting, or if there's any specific topic
that you'd like to see discussed, please edit the wiki page!
(I'll be away from mails for a few days, but I'll reply to questions
when I come back, if you have any :-))
Cheers,
Vincent
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I do allot of work on computers of all different types. One problem I have noticed is allot of times I get computer with no OS on them at all and no info on it's make up. I also have 3 different arcitecture of systems myself. My question is could there be an installer designed that will try to detect the systems makeup? like i386 or 64 or power pc ETC. My x64 installer will not work on my i386 or mack. If there was an installer that detected the system and then downloaded the proper base system packages it would make life a little easier. Thank You for your great system. Vern.
Re: Installer
Dne, 23. 09. 2010 09:09:11 je Vernon J Millward Jr. napisal(a): I do allot of work on computers of all different types. One problem I have noticed is allot of times I get computer with no OS on them at all and no info on it's make up. I also have 3 different arcitecture of systems myself. An addendum to my previous post: the Debian installer will warn you when it can't work on your architecture, so a viable solution would be to just have all 3 relevant installers at hand, and try them out one by one... -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1285234272.142...@compax
Re: Installer
Dne, 23. 09. 2010 09:09:11 je Vernon J Millward Jr. napisal(a): My question is could there be an installer designed that will try to detect the systems makeup? like i386 or 64 or power pc ETC. While I don't happen to know of such an installer, you could detect the innards of your machine(s) by first running one of the various Ultimate Boot CD's, such as the Hiren's Boot CD downloadable from the Internet. Such CD's are usually based on some flavor of DOS and are explicitly made for hardware testing, benchmarking, and so on; it wouldn't take you more than a couple of minutes to determine what architecture you're dealing with. Of course, an auto-detecting installer would be a far nicer thing to have ... -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com Please reply to the list, not to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1285234071.142...@compax
Re: Installer
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:09:11AM -0700, Vernon J Millward Jr. wrote: I do allot of work on computers of all different types. One problem I have noticed is allot of times I get computer with no OS on them at all and no info on it's make up. I also have 3 different arcitecture of systems myself. My question is could there be an installer designed that will try to detect the systems makeup? like i386 or 64 or power pc ETC. My x64 installer will not work on my i386 or mack. If there was an installer that detected the system and then downloaded the proper base system packages it would make life a little easier. Try the multi-arch netinst CD [1], it's exactly what you're looking for. It will boot on all of amd64/i386/powerpc, detecting and using the correct architecture for the hardware. There's an equivalent 3-way disc which will work on alpha/hppa/ia64 too. [1] http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-506-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Since phone messaging became popular, the young generation has lost the ability to read or write anything that is longer than one hundred and sixty characters. -- Ignatios Souvatzis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100923094826.ga5...@einval.com
Re: Heads up for Debian Installer (Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop)
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 08:42:53PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Otavio Salvador is the current release manager for d-i since quite some time. So we don't need a new leader. Ahh, that's good to know that Otavio offically took over this role! That said the team can always benefit from new volunteers. I hope that this heads up might help finding some more volunteers. Probably it makes sense to publish a set of tasks to do for d-i to make people know what skills they need for working on it. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100903065150.gb5...@an3as.eu
Heads up for Debian Installer (Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop)
Hi, * Debian Project pr...@debian.org [100831 15:46]: The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop pr...@debian.org August 31st, 2010 http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100831 [..] this sad news probably has made many of us very sad. But life has to go on and while we all know that Frans has played an important role for the Debian installer I would like to back up this knowledge by a figure which shows *how* important he obviosely was: http://blends.debian.net/liststats/authorstat_boot.png I admit that I personally can not spend the (spare) time which is needed to work on or even lead a project like debian-installer but I would like to raise the awareness of people here by showing the figure above that especially in freeze time a new leader of the installer team is needed. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100902073125.ga17...@an3as.eu
Re: Heads up for Debian Installer (Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop)
Hi, On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Andreas Tille wrote: I admit that I personally can not spend the (spare) time which is needed to work on or even lead a project like debian-installer but I would like to raise the awareness of people here by showing the figure above that especially in freeze time a new leader of the installer team is needed. Otavio Salvador is the current release manager for d-i since quite some time. So we don't need a new leader. That said the team can always benefit from new volunteers. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer ◈ [Flattr=20693] Follow my Debian News ▶ http://RaphaelHertzog.com (English) ▶ http://RaphaelHertzog.fr (Français) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100902184253.ga7...@rivendell
Re: info on debian packaging and installer
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For those that would like to demonstrate Debian at events, one option is to set up a Debian Installer babelbox. The babelbox is a stand-alone machine that will continuously run fully automated installations in various languages using both the graphical and the textual installer. Between each install, it will boot into the installed system and log into Gnome for a short period. The babelbox was originally developed for Fosdem 2006 and needed some updates because of changes in the installer. It should now be relatively easy to set up again. For more information, see its wiki page: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/BabelBoxAlt Cheers, FJP (Credits for the original idea go to Christian Perrier) pgpQcn9Hu7xPc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian Installer funktioniert nicht
Hallo, Ich habe gestern Abend versucht, meinen Sun Enterprise 220r Rechner mit Debian Linux auszustatten, doch leider hat das nicht funktioniert ? Habe das Sparc Paket Netinstall heruntergeladen, auf CD gebrannt und dann eingelegt, stop+A gedrückt, dann boot cdrom eingegeben und er sagt mir das er auf die CD nicht zugreifen kann ??? Haben Sie eine Idee ??? Weiß auch garnicht, ob ich die richtige emailadresse erwischt habe ? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alexander Mecklenbeck -- PageSpider Networks e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.pagespider.org www.PageSpider.net - Nebendomain zu PageSpider.net www.PageSpider.de - Der Webkatalog zur Suchmaschine www.PageSearch.info - Nebendomain zu PageSpider.de www.PageSpider-NetWork.net - Informationsseite www.PageSpiderMail.com - Der eMailservice Unsere Partner: www.php2go.net - www.arhs.de - www.page-dienste.de www.domain2move.de - www.GlobeSpider.de - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Installer funktioniert nicht
[I'll redirect to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Bitte bei Antworten auf [EMAIL PROTECTED] beschränken. ] * Alexander Mecklenbeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061113 18:43]: Ich habe gestern Abend versucht, meinen Sun Enterprise 220r Rechner mit Debian Linux auszustatten, doch leider hat das nicht funktioniert ? Habe das Sparc Paket Netinstall heruntergeladen, auf CD gebrannt und dann eingelegt, stop+A gedrückt, dann boot cdrom eingegeben und er sagt mir das er auf die CD nicht zugreifen kann ??? Haben Sie eine Idee ??? Weiß auch garnicht, ob ich die richtige emailadresse erwischt habe ? Normalerweise sollten Fragen entweder auf Englisch erfolgen (und dann wäre debian-sparc, siehe http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc die richtige Liste), oder auf der deutschsprachigen Mailingliste. Welche Version des Installers? Was für eine CD-Rom-Laufwerk ist das (physikalisch)? Grüße, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Installer funktioniert nicht
Short translation: he's having trouble installing a Sun Enterprise 220r. On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 06:28:30PM +0100, Alexander Mecklenbeck wrote: Hallo, Ich habe gestern Abend versucht, meinen Sun Enterprise 220r Rechner mit Debian Linux auszustatten, doch leider hat das nicht funktioniert ? Habe das Sparc Paket Netinstall heruntergeladen, auf CD gebrannt und dann eingelegt, stop+A gedrückt, dann boot cdrom eingegeben und er sagt mir das er auf die CD nicht zugreifen kann ??? Haben Sie eine Idee ??? Weiß auch garnicht, ob ich die richtige emailadresse erwischt habe ? Sorry, my german is too bad to write it. But you should try mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] for questions in german, as this is indeed the wrong list for both the language as type of question. You also might want to provide more information, like which version of the netinstall you tried and if you have a more precise error message. What hardware your CD-ROM is based on (ATA, SCSI, ...) might help too etc. Is Debian giving the error message or is it OpenBoot? Things like that are useful. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Installer funktioniert nicht
Die Liste heißt debian-user-german, bitte bei den Antworten beachten. Grüße, Andi * Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061113 18:51]: [I'll redirect to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Bitte bei Antworten auf [EMAIL PROTECTED] beschränken. ] * Alexander Mecklenbeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061113 18:43]: Ich habe gestern Abend versucht, meinen Sun Enterprise 220r Rechner mit Debian Linux auszustatten, doch leider hat das nicht funktioniert ? Habe das Sparc Paket Netinstall heruntergeladen, auf CD gebrannt und dann eingelegt, stop+A gedrückt, dann boot cdrom eingegeben und er sagt mir das er auf die CD nicht zugreifen kann ??? Haben Sie eine Idee ??? Weiß auch garnicht, ob ich die richtige emailadresse erwischt habe ? Normalerweise sollten Fragen entweder auf Englisch erfolgen (und dann wäre debian-sparc, siehe http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc die richtige Liste), oder auf der deutschsprachigen Mailingliste. Welche Version des Installers? Was für eine CD-Rom-Laufwerk ist das (physikalisch)? Grüße, Andi -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- http://home.arcor.de/andreas-barth/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Open letter to the debian-installer team, do we really need to drag this petty conflict so much longer ?
Hi Debian-installer team members. As you all know, there is a petty dispute going on between me and frans (and maybe a few silent others), and this issue has been open since over 6 months now, and there seems to be no end in sight. Some (like Alphix), have said they feel not concerned by this, while frans and a few others insist it is not a personal issue, i don't really know what to think about it, but my own impression is that the only thing really at issue at this point, and so long after the events, are frans's pride, and my frustration at being unable to properly and efficiently working on debian-installer and fixing bugs nobody else seems to be caring about. Anyway, the fact that we are still having this issue months after the facts, and despite me working constructively and within the constraints imposed to me by the DPL mediation, just shows that the current situation is broken, and that there is no hope of it ever getting solved, and that the original mediation proposal was flawed, as i warned about so many months back. As long as Frans is at the same time judge and party to the dispute, and given the fact that he seems unable to admit his own errors in this mess, there will never be a problem, and Frans will continue to constantly provoke me, and i will from time to time be unable to resist responding to said provocations. So, do we really want this to be dragged on forever ? I don't think so, i believe everyone, including me, is sick to death about this. I thus make the following proposal : 1) someone neutral or maybe a neutral committee or whatever, is the one in charge of judging me, and does so honestly and publicly. 2) frans stops immediately his provocations against me. 3) at some predefined time, those judging the issue, will do so. This needs to be some finite and clearly stated time, though. My personal opinion in this is that 6 months would have been well enough, if not for the fact that frans is both the judge on this, and has been provoking me voluntarily during this whole time. 4) if frans behaves badly, then those judging it should not be afraid to say so, and frans should accept the reprimand for it. 5) nobody gets offended when technical proposals are discussed, even if those proposals are not within the official dogma. We are all sick of this, i have been trying to be positive and constructive since months now, but there is really no hope of it ever going better, so let's all remember what we promised in the social contract, that we would put free software and our users as our priority, and set aside those personal petty disputes, so we can all again concentrate on doing the best technical work we can. In hope of finding fair and reasonable readers, ... Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: comment installer xorg sue sarge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 si tu mets xorg sur Sarge ou Etch, tu vas FORCEMENT les changer de nature, vu que les paquets xorg sont sur unstable... sinon il suffit de faire apt-get install xorg (il ya un meilleur tuto sur andesit) rl kim nguyen wrote: Bonjour, Je recherche la methode la plus propre pour remplacer xfree par xorg sous sarge. Le .deb existe pour sid ets il possible de l'installer avec une debian stable? merci -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBQvCHhZ4OkIM5P+YkAQKyNgf/chnDwjp2nJUkXFj31DiNjkTWShKGUyXF GX/YMssRFEz4Gd2iYmFAyhqSO4Fh0zW+MSqFj4/yFfYxrptV6h/rNDl+WrhOJKj1 cWNKL/Pu1w1rPDfDuYiJs646QTCVHJ5fvnpBctTMCi6PVPvliyacfhNOAH7XmQAE luo+xWHsLh81SLeTD97rQ/YvfRcQUpC0x2tcFoxL/Q0KafBIEAK2gAJLOZ5S0aUN VLTn73Wy/2YmVzd4mXr5XULb5XRvljvVaK9IGVff6bMZNOaBPR4r/LA69Wo400A4 NFdL8S5xPgCkm+IbWfZN7prp33EsEwjy9CEqtFA+v3p7fo9BhSuDLA== =9Ut5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian installer
Hi Is there an installer in the future for debian? thanks tom
