Re: dh_python2 transition
[Bernd Zeimetz, 2011-05-03] There might be more important tasks than to migrate away from something that works very well. * -dbg packages do not work * upgrades are... problematic (namespace feature and update-python-modules -p issue, problems with a list of supported versions...) IMHO that's enough for a switch, if you think it's not enough, take a look f.e. at Ubuntu bug reports (that nobody cares about, probably because they're missing even so crucial data like package version) -- Piotr Ożarowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110505081256.go17...@piotro.eu
Re: dh_python2 transition
On 05/02/2011 04:45 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote: How about concentrating on getting rid of dh_python and python-central for wheezy? My understanding is that consensus about those two being deprecated and needing to be removed should be achievable without too much flaming. dh_python should be gone already, I hope. python-support is kinda sane implemented, so I wouldn't mind to keepo it for yet another release - but I think we should get rid of it, too. Btw, is there any lintian check to see if the ld dh_python is being used? -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dbfb37b.7030...@bzed.de
Re: dh_python2 transition
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 09:49, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: On 05/02/2011 04:45 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote: How about concentrating on getting rid of dh_python and python-central for wheezy? My understanding is that consensus about those two being deprecated and needing to be removed should be achievable without too much flaming. dh_python should be gone already, I hope. python-support is kinda sane implemented, so I wouldn't mind to keepo it for yet another release - but I think we should get rid of it, too. Assuming that dh_python2 is better, and why would you wanna keep python-support? Is it too much pain to port existing packages using it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=g=hYzw=hrtuzvngghdh-jj0o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dh_python2 transition
On 05/03/2011 10:36 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 09:49, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: On 05/02/2011 04:45 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote: How about concentrating on getting rid of dh_python and python-central for wheezy? My understanding is that consensus about those two being deprecated and needing to be removed should be achievable without too much flaming. dh_python should be gone already, I hope. python-support is kinda sane implemented, so I wouldn't mind to keepo it for yet another release - but I think we should get rid of it, too. Assuming that dh_python2 is better, and why would you wanna keep python-support? Is it too much pain to port existing packages using it? There might be more important tasks than to migrate away from something that works very well. -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dbfc755.70...@bzed.de
Re: dh_python2 transition
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:13, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: On 05/03/2011 10:36 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 09:49, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote: On 05/02/2011 04:45 PM, Arto Jantunen wrote: How about concentrating on getting rid of dh_python and python-central for wheezy? My understanding is that consensus about those two being deprecated and needing to be removed should be achievable without too much flaming. dh_python should be gone already, I hope. python-support is kinda sane implemented, so I wouldn't mind to keepo it for yet another release - but I think we should get rid of it, too. Assuming that dh_python2 is better, and why would you wanna keep python-support? Is it too much pain to port existing packages using it? There might be more important tasks than to migrate away from something that works very well. Even if the tradeoff is something that works even better, and is set to be the standard (i.e. consistency)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=z2me7zuwrnvmbnafs811a7oq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: dh_python2 transition
On 04/29/2011 09:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Apr 28, 2011, at 02:41 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: I can't see any problemswith pysupport here - http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PythonSupportToDHPython2 The migration is well documented and if there is something to fix in -support to make a migration happen, I'm happy to upload it. I thought not everyone agreed that all python-support packages should be transitioned to dh_python2. But maybe I misunderstood that though. Perhaps it could be that python-support is not yet officially deprecated, while python-central is? Actually I would prefer if we could make the transition a release goal. Cheers, Bernd -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dbe68f1.4070...@bzed.de
Re: dh_python2 transition
On Monday, May 02, 2011 04:18:57 AM Bernd Zeimetz wrote: On 04/29/2011 09:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Apr 28, 2011, at 02:41 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: I can't see any problemswith pysupport here - http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PythonSupportToDHPython2 The migration is well documented and if there is something to fix in -support to make a migration happen, I'm happy to upload it. I thought not everyone agreed that all python-support packages should be transitioned to dh_python2. But maybe I misunderstood that though. Perhaps it could be that python-support is not yet officially deprecated, while python-central is? Actually I would prefer if we could make the transition a release goal. Would you be up for writing it up and proposing it as such? I support the idea. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201105020718.11940.deb...@kitterman.com
Re: dh_python2 transition
On 05/02/2011 01:37 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com, 2011-05-02, 07:18: I would prefer if we could make the transition a release goal. Would you be up for writing it up and proposing it as such? I support the idea. Uhum, yes, we need more people laughing at us. How about concentrating on fixing things that *are* broken? The existance of now 3 helper tools is one of the biggest and long standing issues we have. It is about time to fix it, and now is a good time to start it. At least we can try to get it done. -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dbeaa85.4020...@bzed.de
Re: dh_python2 transition
* Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de, 2011-05-02, 14:58: I would prefer if we could make the transition a release goal. Would you be up for writing it up and proposing it as such? I support the idea. Uhum, yes, we need more people laughing at us. How about concentrating on fixing things that *are* broken? The existance of now 3 helper tools is one of the biggest and long standing issues we have. It is about time to fix it, and now is a good time to start it. At least we can try to get it done. Yes, we had 3 until someone decided to write a 4th one. Progress! -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110502131721.ga1...@jwilk.net
Re: dh_python2 transition
On May 02, 2011, at 03:17 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de, 2011-05-02, 14:58: I would prefer if we could make the transition a release goal. Would you be up for writing it up and proposing it as such? I support the idea. Uhum, yes, we need more people laughing at us. How about concentrating on fixing things that *are* broken? The existance of now 3 helper tools is one of the biggest and long standing issues we have. It is about time to fix it, and now is a good time to start it. At least we can try to get it done. Yes, we had 3 until someone decided to write a 4th one. Progress! * python-support * python-central * dh_python2 What's the fourth one? -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dh_python2 transition
Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org writes: On May 02, 2011, at 03:17 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de, 2011-05-02, 14:58: I would prefer if we could make the transition a release goal. Would you be up for writing it up and proposing it as such? I support the idea. Uhum, yes, we need more people laughing at us. How about concentrating on fixing things that *are* broken? The existance of now 3 helper tools is one of the biggest and long standing issues we have. It is about time to fix it, and now is a good time to start it. At least we can try to get it done. Yes, we had 3 until someone decided to write a 4th one. Progress! * python-support * python-central * dh_python2 What's the fourth one? The original dh_python, I'd presume. How about concentrating on getting rid of dh_python and python-central for wheezy? My understanding is that consensus about those two being deprecated and needing to be removed should be achievable without too much flaming. -- Arto Jantunen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wri9xisg@viiru.iki.fi
Re: dh_python2 transition
Il 02/05/2011 13:37, Jakub Wilk ha scritto:
How about concentrating on fixing things that *are* broken?
I must admit I haven't looked at dh_python{2,3} yet, and never tried to
look at its issues. Are there some references, bug numbers, IRC logs,
whatever, to get an idea of those?
Getting rid of unmaintained helpers is certainly helpful, but we should
care of it only if that reveals to be the biggest issue, or we'll
probably end up into Wheezy freeze with lots of packages to be managed,
with a limited manpower.
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Re: dh_python2 transition
On Apr 28, 2011, at 02:41 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: I can't see any problemswith pysupport here - http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PythonSupportToDHPython2 The migration is well documented and if there is something to fix in -support to make a migration happen, I'm happy to upload it. I thought not everyone agreed that all python-support packages should be transitioned to dh_python2. But maybe I misunderstood that though. Perhaps it could be that python-support is not yet officially deprecated, while python-central is? -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dh_python2 transition
On 04/26/2011 09:28 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Hi everyone, One of the things I am planning on working on during the next Ubuntu cycle is the transition to dh_python2. I think there are two parts to this: * Uncontroversial: python-central - dh_python2 * (Perhaps?) controversial: python-support - dh_python2 I can't see any problemswith pysupport here - http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PythonSupportToDHPython2 The migration is well documented and if there is something to fix in -support to make a migration happen, I'm happy to upload it. Cheers, Bernd -- Bernd ZeimetzDebian GNU/Linux Developer http://bzed.dehttp://www.debian.org GPG Fingerprints: ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db9607f.1020...@bzed.de
Re: dh_python2 transition
On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Luca Falavigna wrote: Il 26/04/2011 21:28, Barry Warsaw ha scritto: Anyway, I think it's a big job to do all the conversions, but I've already done a number of them, so I think I can be helpful filing bugs and submitting patches (and get fired-up again for working on my DD resume). To that end, I plan on starting on the python-central - dh_python2 conversions. Bugs have been filed already: http://tinyurl.com/6g4887p Right, thanks! -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dh_python2 transition
Il 26/04/2011 21:28, Barry Warsaw ha scritto: Anyway, I think it's a big job to do all the conversions, but I've already done a number of them, so I think I can be helpful filing bugs and submitting patches (and get fired-up again for working on my DD resume). To that end, I plan on starting on the python-central - dh_python2 conversions. Bugs have been filed already: http://tinyurl.com/6g4887p -- .''`. : :' : Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org `. `' `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
