Please binNMU geany-plugins against new geany (0.18)

2009-08-21 Thread Chow Loong Jin
Hello,

There was recently a new release of Geany (= 0.18) in which the plugin
ABI was broken, hence requiring that all plugins be rebuilt in order to
be loaded by Geany.

  nmu geany-plugins_0.17.1-1 . ALL . -m 'Rebuild against new geany
(Closes: #542716)'

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Re: Mozilla plans for the squeeze cycle

2009-08-21 Thread Alexander Sack
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 02:41:21PM +0200, Marc Brockschmidt wrote:
 Heya,
 
 As announced on dda [RT1], we want to get an impression when releasing
 Squeeze is feasible. We have proposed a (quite ambitious) freeze in December
 2009, and some developers have noted that their planned changes wouldn't be
 possible in this time frame. So, to find out when releasing would work for
 most people, it would be great if you could answer the following questions:
 

 * Which major upstream releases of Mozilla/Xulrunner-based software are
   expected in the next two years? Which of those are material for Debian
   stable, which might be a bit flaky?

firefox 3.6 is currently scheduled for december 2009; i think it would
be worthwhile to get that in before freeze even if its not yet final
at that point; this would help to get a bit longer upstream security
support and would make debian more modern. Also it will probably get
to final during freeze.

Mozilla does not have any 2 years plans that one could rely on. Last I
know is the general goal to target a ~9 month cycle, but with usual
approach to release when ready (so 3.5 took 12 month).

 
 * How much time do you usually need from a new upstream release to a
   stable Debian package in unstable?

This is hard to guess as you dont know up-front how much porting will
be required. Also I cannot speak for debian xulrunner/firefox
maintainers here.

 
 * How many big transitions will the upcoming changes cause? When should 
 those
   happen? Can we do something to make them easier?

Same here ...  we dont really know in advance.


p.s. CC me ... not subscribed iirc.

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Re: open issues with the hppa port

2009-08-21 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Bartha...@not.so.argh.org wrote:
 As an current exmaple, take the libcdio-transition. This transition
 needs to have updated packages xmms2, xmp and vlc. However, the
 packages are out-of-date on hppa, and for this reason cannot enter
 testing (and they depend on an old library that will go away with the
 transition).

vlc 1.0.1-1 builds on hppa:
https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=vlcarch=hppaver=1.0.1-1stamp=1250706425file=logas=raw

xmp 2.7.1-1 builds on hppa:
https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=xmparch=hppaver=2.7.1-1stamp=1250460366file=logas=raw

xmms2 is the only package that doesn't build.

Analysis of the xmms2 build shows that this is a python crash.
Thankfully the python crash reproduces (in a different location each
time). I'll look into this.

Cheers,
Carlos.


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version screwup: any recourse besides epoch?

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Berkenbilt

I screwed up and released tiff 3.9.0beta+deb1 to experimental earlier
this week instead of 3.9.0~beta+deb1.  Now I'd like to upload 3.9.0 to
unstable.  I really don't want to introduce an epoch.  Is it possible to
make 3.9.0beta+deb1 just disappear?  It's never been anywhere but
experimental, and it's only been there for two days.  Otherwise, I'll
have to think about whether to introduce an epoch or to just contort the
version for this one release, like 3.9.0+final.  I hate to use an epoch
to fix a typo instead of to handle a genuine change to the version
numbering scheme.  Advice welcome.  I'll delay my 3.9.0 upload a bit
until I get an answer.

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Re: version screwup: any recourse besides epoch?

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Jay Berkenbilt q...@debian.org wrote:

 I screwed up and released tiff 3.9.0beta+deb1 to experimental earlier
 this week instead of 3.9.0~beta+deb1.  Now I'd like to upload 3.9.0 to
 unstable.  I really don't want to introduce an epoch.  Is it possible to
 make 3.9.0beta+deb1 just disappear?  It's never been anywhere but
 experimental, and it's only been there for two days.  Otherwise, I'll
 have to think about whether to introduce an epoch or to just contort the
 version for this one release, like 3.9.0+final.  I hate to use an epoch
 to fix a typo instead of to handle a genuine change to the version
 numbering scheme.  Advice welcome.  I'll delay my 3.9.0 upload a bit
 until I get an answer.

Please disregard.  I figured it out.  I'm going to upload 3.9.0 to
unstable, which will work fine because it's newer than 3.8.2.  I'll
upload 4.0.0beta3 to experimental which will clear out 3.9.0beta+deb1.

Sorry for the noise.

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Re: open issues with the hppa port

2009-08-21 Thread Andreas Barth
* Carlos O'Donell (car...@systemhalted.org) [090821 16:49]:
 On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Andreas Bartha...@not.so.argh.org wrote:
  As an current exmaple, take the libcdio-transition. This transition
  needs to have updated packages xmms2, xmp and vlc. However, the
  packages are out-of-date on hppa, and for this reason cannot enter
  testing (and they depend on an old library that will go away with the
  transition).
 
 vlc 1.0.1-1 builds on hppa:
 https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=vlcarch=hppaver=1.0.1-1stamp=1250706425file=logas=raw
 
 xmp 2.7.1-1 builds on hppa:
 https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=xmparch=hppaver=2.7.1-1stamp=1250460366file=logas=raw

Thanks for both packages. They should arrive at about the same time as
vlc on mipsel, so that we can hopefully finish this transition soon.

 xmms2 is the only package that doesn't build.
 
 Analysis of the xmms2 build shows that this is a python crash.
 Thankfully the python crash reproduces (in a different location each
 time). I'll look into this.

Good. I might still break this package because libcdio is blocking
lots of binNMUs, and we need to try to keep transitions as small as
possible, but of course as soon as this package is fixed it's welcome
to get in sync (and if you need help for that from the release team
please don't hesitate to contact us).


Cheers,
Andi


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Re: version screwup: any recourse besides epoch?

2009-08-21 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2009-08-21 Jay Berkenbilt q...@debian.org wrote:
 Jay Berkenbilt q...@debian.org wVrote:

  I screwed up and released tiff 3.9.0beta+deb1 to experimental earlier
  this week instead of 3.9.0~beta+deb1.  Now I'd like to upload 3.9.0 to
[...]
 I'll
 upload 4.0.0beta3 to experimental which will clear out 3.9.0beta+deb1.

4.0.0~beta3 I guess ;-)
cu andreas


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Re: version screwup: any recourse besides epoch?

2009-08-21 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Jay Berkenbilt a écrit :
 Please disregard.  I figured it out.  I'm going to upload 3.9.0 to
 unstable, which will work fine because it's newer than 3.8.2.  I'll
 upload 4.0.0beta3 to experimental which will clear out 3.9.0beta+deb1.

You can also just ask ftpmaster to remove (via a bugreport against
ftp.debian.org) the experimental version, I guess.


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Re: version screwup: any recourse besides epoch?

2009-08-21 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Andreas Metzler ametz...@downhill.at.eu.org wrote:

 On 2009-08-21 Jay Berkenbilt q...@debian.org wrote:
 Jay Berkenbilt q...@debian.org wVrote:

  I screwed up and released tiff 3.9.0beta+deb1 to experimental earlier
  this week instead of 3.9.0~beta+deb1.  Now I'd like to upload 3.9.0 to
 [...]
 I'll
 upload 4.0.0beta3 to experimental which will clear out 3.9.0beta+deb1.

 4.0.0~beta3 I guess ;-)
 cu andreas

Yes.  Of course. ;-)


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Re: OpenOffice.org plans for the squeeze cycle

2009-08-21 Thread Armin Berres
On Thu, 20 Aug 09 19:26, Matthias Klose wrote:
 On 16.08.2009 15:15, Rene Engelhard wrote:
 .0s should be avoided for Debian stable, the are almost always full of
 bad bugs/regressions, as we see e.g. in 3.1.0, too.
 
 So this would mean, that squeeze will release with 3.1.x (3.1.0
 release in Apr 2009), which will be several months old when squeeze
 releases. Would it be possible to package 3.2.0 for unstable, and

I thought the squeeze freeze/release date is not fixed yet and these
mails should be the base for the final date...

/Armin


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Re: Mozilla plans for the squeeze cycle

2009-08-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 03:39:55PM +0200, Alexander Sack wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 02:41:21PM +0200, Marc Brockschmidt wrote:
  Heya,
  
  As announced on dda [RT1], we want to get an impression when releasing
  Squeeze is feasible. We have proposed a (quite ambitious) freeze in December
  2009, and some developers have noted that their planned changes wouldn't be
  possible in this time frame. So, to find out when releasing would work for
  most people, it would be great if you could answer the following questions:
  
 
  * Which major upstream releases of Mozilla/Xulrunner-based software are
expected in the next two years? Which of those are material for Debian
stable, which might be a bit flaky?
 
 firefox 3.6 is currently scheduled for december 2009; i think it would
 be worthwhile to get that in before freeze even if its not yet final
 at that point; this would help to get a bit longer upstream security
 support and would make debian more modern. Also it will probably get
 to final during freeze.
 
 Mozilla does not have any 2 years plans that one could rely on. Last I
 know is the general goal to target a ~9 month cycle, but with usual
 approach to release when ready (so 3.5 took 12 month).

And security support is dropped 6 months after that for the previous
release. I.e. Firefox 3.0 security support will be dropped in 4 months.

Firefox is also not the only mozilla product we have, and only
considering Firefox may be biaised.

Thunderbird 3.0 might be expected somewhen soonish in the next few
months, as well as Seamonkey 2.0. They will both be based on Gecko
1.9.1, which is the version of Gecko that Firefox 3.5 uses.

Getting all these in sync means we share the same codebase in all
Mozilla products, which, despite upstream support being dropped earlier
may substantially help the security team.

Firefox 3.6, on the other hand, relies on Gecko 1.9.2.

I, for one, don't want to maintain 2 gecko codebases in the same
distribution much longer. But people are free to join the mozilla team
and help out.

  * How much time do you usually need from a new upstream release to a
stable Debian package in unstable?
 
  * How many big transitions will the upcoming changes cause? When should 
  those
happen? Can we do something to make them easier?

Every new gecko, which we mainly have in xulrunner nowadays, needs some
work, though I do hope 3.6 will require less work than 3.5 has and will.

ATM, 3.5 is definitely not release-ready, and a lot of work remains to
be done:
- Build and test rdeps against newer version (applications such as
  epiphany[1], and plugins)
- Patch liboggplay, liboggz, libvorbis, libtheora, etc. with the
  necessary patches, and make sure it doesn't break other packages.
- Build xulrunner against these patched libraries instead of the bundled
  oned as currently is the case.

Once we're done with this, the same will have to done again for 3.6. As
the whole depends on more than myself alone, it's hard to give an
evaluation on how long these transition will take. I'm not even able to
say how long it will take me to get 3.5 itself in shape.

Cheers,

Mike

1. Note that epiphany may be totally dropping gecko support in the near
future (and I hear yelp and devhelp should, too), but that still leaves
us with at least galeon and kazehakase.


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Re: open issues with the hppa port

2009-08-21 Thread Frans Pop
Andreas Barth wrote:
 * Carlos O'Donell (car...@systemhalted.org) [090821 16:49]:
  xmms2 is the only package that doesn't build. 
 
 Analysis of the xmms2 build shows that this is a python crash.
 Thankfully the python crash reproduces (in a different location each
 time). I'll look into this.
 
 Good. I might still break this package because libcdio is blocking
 lots of binNMUs, and we need to try to keep transitions as small as
 possible, but of course as soon as this package is fixed it's welcome
 to get in sync (and if you need help for that from the release team
 please don't hesitate to contact us).

I was able to build xmms2 for hppa using a non-SMP kernel and have done a 
porter upload for it in order to facilitate the transition to testing.

I have done that only because the underlying problem is actively being 
investigated, and of course the search for the cause of the failure 
should not be stopped because of my upload.

Cheers,
FJP


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