Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 00:49 +0200, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Adam (2015.03.28_21:09:54_+0200) Argh, this somehow fell through the cracks again. :-( And then I put this off for two weeks, and it's now out of date. New revision, including the 8.0 change, but not 7.0, as discussed. Based on #782668: That looks fine, thanks. [...] Apologies for the age of this bug. I get lazy sometimes. I can't exactly complain... Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1429978609.18212.22.ca...@adam-barratt.org.uk
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015, Stefano Rivera wrote: +- Correct EOL date of Debian 6.0 Squeeze to 2014-05-31. FWIW, Debian 6 Squeeze is supported for at least 5 years (i.e. 2016-02-06) and most likely until Wheezy is no longer supported (i.e. 2016-04-24). cf http://wiki.debian.org/LTS -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Support Debian LTS: http://www.freexian.com/services/debian-lts.html Learn to master Debian: http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150416090058.gb6...@home.ouaza.com
Re: Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Hi Raphael, +- Correct EOL date of Debian 6.0 Squeeze to 2014-05-31. FWIW, Debian 6 Squeeze is supported for at least 5 years (i.e. 2016-02-06) and most likely until Wheezy is no longer supported (i.e. 2016-04-24). cf http://wiki.debian.org/LTS There is an on-going confusion in the wider Debian community about whether squeeze is still supported or EOL. The squeeze-lts work does not cover all of squeeze -- there are significant limitations in the packages and archs covered. It would be inappropriate to indicate to users that other archs were supported by saying that squeeze is still a supported release. From the very first line of the wiki page you linked to: LTS (Long Term Support) is a project for providing security patches after oldstable reached its end of life. which would agree with distro-info-data in stating that squeeze is EOL. As much as squeeze-lts is a great initiative, it's not true to say that squeeze is still a supported release. I guess that makes it EOL and it wants an EOL date that reflects when that change happened: 2014-05-31 Stuart -- Stuart Prescotthttp://www.nanonanonano.net/ stu...@nanonanonano.net Debian Developer http://www.debian.org/ stu...@debian.org GPG fingerprint90E2 D2C1 AD14 6A1B 7EBB 891D BBC1 7EBB 1396 F2F7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/mgo2uv$ofa$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
[ Moving it to -lts to continue the discussion ] Hi, On Thu, 16 Apr 2015, Stuart Prescott wrote: cf http://wiki.debian.org/LTS There is an on-going confusion in the wider Debian community about whether squeeze is still supported or EOL. Where did you notice any confusion? The squeeze-lts work does not cover all of squeeze -- there are significant limitations in the packages and archs covered. It would be inappropriate to indicate to users that other archs were supported by saying that squeeze is still a supported release. It's also inappropriate to say that it's EOL when 98% of the users who are using amd64/i386 are still covered. Yes there are packages which are unsupported in Squeeze but very much like there are unsupported packages in Wheezy right now: Squeeze: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debian-security-support.git/plain/security-support-ended.deb6 Wheezy: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debian-security-support.git/plain/security-support-ended.deb7 + chromium cf https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776904 It's just that the list expands over time as more and more packages get unsupportable when upstream no longer supports them. And we try to avoid this by backporting newer upstream version when there's no other solution (we did this recently for wireshark in squeeze). (And we would love to shorten the list of unsupported packages if we had more resources) From the very first line of the wiki page you linked to: LTS (Long Term Support) is a project for providing security patches after oldstable reached its end of life. which would agree with distro-info-data in stating that squeeze is EOL. Or that we should rephrase our description. We are working hand in hand with security team to provide a continuity in security support. EOL is in 2016 but in the interim, there are restrictions in what is truly supported. As much as squeeze-lts is a great initiative, it's not true to say that squeeze is still a supported release. I guess that makes it EOL and it wants an EOL date that reflects when that change happened: 2014-05-31 I disagree. But I really don't care about distro-info so I will not discuss this further in this context. That said I believe it's important to clarify the situation of squeeze. Your EOL description is misleading (and not really thankful of the work that Debian LTS team members have put into Squeeze). Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Support Debian LTS: http://www.freexian.com/services/debian-lts.html Learn to master Debian: http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150416140223.gb18...@home.ouaza.com
Re: Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 04:02:23PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Yes there are packages which are unsupported in Squeeze but very much like there are unsupported packages in Wheezy right now: Also, all other distros with long support have some level of reduced support over time, see for example the requirements for fixes in RHEL in it's later support stages, so having a few packages not supported in squeeze-lts is fairly common. We shouldn't label the LTS phase as second class. Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150416160236.GB7902@pisco.westfalen.local
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Hi Raphael (2015.04.16_11:00:58_+0200) FWIW, Debian 6 Squeeze is supported for at least 5 years (i.e. 2016-02-06) and most likely until Wheezy is no longer supported (i.e. 2016-04-24). cf http://wiki.debian.org/LTS We could hack that in, but we should really support LTS separately. This is #782685. SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150416164917.ga3...@bach.rivera.co.za
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Hi Adam (2015.03.28_21:09:54_+0200) Argh, this somehow fell through the cracks again. :-( And then I put this off for two weeks, and it's now out of date. New revision, including the 8.0 change, but not 7.0, as discussed. Based on #782668: diff -Nru distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian/changelog distro-info-data-0.26~deb7u1/debian/changelog --- distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian/changelog 2013-10-21 11:13:46.0 -0400 +++ distro-info-data-0.26~deb7u1/debian/changelog 2015-04-15 18:35:51.0 -0400 @@ -1,3 +1,16 @@ +distro-info-data (0.26~deb7u1) stable; urgency=medium + + * Backport updates up to 0.26: +- Correct EOL date of Debian 6.0 Squeeze to 2014-05-31. +- Correct Debian 8 version (was 8.0). +- Update EOL date of Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal to 2014-05-16. +- Update EOL date of Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtai to 2014-01-27. +- Add Ubuntu 14.10, Utopic Unicorn. +- Add Ubuntu 15.04, Vivid Vervet. +- Add Debian 9 and 10 codenames (with provisional creation dates). + + -- Stefano Rivera stefa...@debian.org Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:14:45 -0700 + distro-info-data (0.17~deb7u1) stable; urgency=low * Add Ubuntu 14.04, Trusty Tahr. (Closes: #726696, 727020) diff -Nru distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian.csv distro-info-data-0.26~deb7u1/debian.csv --- distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian.csv 2013-10-21 10:58:51.0 -0400 +++ distro-info-data-0.26~deb7u1/debian.csv 2015-04-15 18:29:12.0 -0400 @@ -9,8 +9,10 @@ 3.1,Sarge,sarge,2002-07-19,2005-06-06,2008-03-30 4.0,Etch,etch,2005-06-06,2007-04-08,2010-02-15 5.0,Lenny,lenny,2007-04-08,2009-02-14,2012-02-06 -6.0,Squeeze,squeeze,2009-02-14,2011-02-06,2014-05-04 +6.0,Squeeze,squeeze,2009-02-14,2011-02-06,2014-05-31 7.0,Wheezy,wheezy,2011-02-06,2013-05-04 -8.0,Jessie,jessie,2013-05-04 +8,Jessie,jessie,2013-05-04,2015-04-25 +9,Stretch,stretch,2015-04-25 +10,Buster,buster,2018-07-01 ,Sid,sid,1993-08-16 ,Experimental,experimental,1993-08-16 diff -Nru distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv distro-info-data-0.26~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv --- distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv 2013-10-21 10:58:51.0 -0400 +++ distro-info-data-0.26~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv 2015-04-15 18:29:34.0 -0400 @@ -15,7 +15,9 @@ 11.04,Natty Narwhal,natty,2010-10-10,2011-04-28,2012-10-28 11.10,Oneiric Ocelot,oneiric,2011-04-28,2011-10-13,2013-05-09 12.04 LTS,Precise Pangolin,precise,2011-10-13,2012-04-26,2017-04-26 -12.10,Quantal Quetzal,quantal,2012-04-26,2012-10-18,2014-04-18 -13.04,Raring Ringtail,raring,2012-10-18,2013-04-25,2014-01-25 +12.10,Quantal Quetzal,quantal,2012-04-26,2012-10-18,2014-05-16 +13.04,Raring Ringtail,raring,2012-10-18,2013-04-25,2014-01-27 13.10,Saucy Salamander,saucy,2013-04-25,2013-10-17,2014-07-17 14.04 LTS,Trusty Tahr,trusty,2013-10-17,2014-04-17,2019-04-17 +14.10,Utopic Unicorn,utopic,2014-04-17,2014-10-23,2015-07-23 +15.04,Vivid Vervet,vivid,2014-10-23,2015-04-23,2016-01-23 Apologies for the age of this bug. I get lazy sometimes. SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150415224907.ga3...@bach.rivera.co.za
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 06:19 +0200, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Adam (2015.01.06_22:11:55_+0200) To summarise discussions from IRC, Julien pointed out that there are a number of other places where we still refer to Wheezy as 7.0, including the Release Notes and debian-installer-netboot-images. Combined with the fact that this would be a change in stable, I think we should leave the Wheezy package as-is in terms of referring to Wheezy as 7.0. Does that apply to only Wheezy, or Jessie too? Argh, this somehow fell through the cracks again. :-( I'm more okay with having the change in Jessie, so let's leave that as is. As per my earlier message, please feel free to go ahead with an upload of the most recently proposed changes (other than the 7.0-7). Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1427569794.1708.24.ca...@adam-barratt.org.uk
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Hi Adam (2015.01.06_22:11:55_+0200) To summarise discussions from IRC, Julien pointed out that there are a number of other places where we still refer to Wheezy as 7.0, including the Release Notes and debian-installer-netboot-images. Combined with the fact that this would be a change in stable, I think we should leave the Wheezy package as-is in terms of referring to Wheezy as 7.0. Does that apply to only Wheezy, or Jessie too? SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150108041908.gw3...@bach.rivera.co.za
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Control: tags -1 + confirmed On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 08:35 +0200, Stefano Rivera wrote: Hi Adam (2015.01.02_18:49:41_+0200) Apologies for the delay in getting back to you regarding this. I think when I previously looked at the request I assumed that we meant the maintainers, rather than also the Release Team. It meant everyone. But the RT have the final say, so mostly you :) :) I also canvassed Benjamin's vote, and he thinks we should do 7.0 - 7. To summarise discussions from IRC, Julien pointed out that there are a number of other places where we still refer to Wheezy as 7.0, including the Release Notes and debian-installer-netboot-images. Combined with the fact that this would be a change in stable, I think we should leave the Wheezy package as-is in terms of referring to Wheezy as 7.0. Please feel free to go ahead with an upload containing the remainder of the changes from your most recent proposed diff (2014-11-01). Unfortunately the window for the 7.8 point release has now closed, but we could potentially look at a wheezy-updates release afterwards. Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1420575115.23186.9.ca...@adam-barratt.org.uk
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Processing control commands: tags -1 + confirmed Bug #746946 [release.debian.org] wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1 Added tag(s) confirmed. -- 746946: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746946 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/handler.s.b746946.142057512515613.transcr...@bugs.debian.org
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Hi Adam (2015.01.02_18:49:41_+0200) Apologies for the delay in getting back to you regarding this. I think when I previously looked at the request I assumed that we meant the maintainers, rather than also the Release Team. It meant everyone. But the RT have the final say, so mostly you :) I also canvassed Benjamin's vote, and he thinks we should do 7.0 - 7. He also thinks we should roll in 0.24 changes (Debian 9 + 10) but I think that should get into testing first, and he hasn't done anything to make that happen... I agree that 7.0 is wrong, although it does always worry me changing stuff like this. If it's unlikely to have been used, maybe just an explicit mention somewhere obvious would suffice, so that people notice and can amend things if they are relying on it? How obvious? A NEWS.Debian entry? SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
On Sat, 2014-11-01 at 03:02 +0200, Stefano Rivera wrote: [...] I'd argue that 8 would be right for Jessie and 7.0 somewhat wrong for Wheezy, hence I'd tend to agree to the change. Stefano, where is this used? I don't know of anything that uses the --release flag (or that data). It's possible that people use it in their own scripts, but this isn't something that's very useful for automated tasks. The codenames tend to be the important bit. We still need to make a decision on this bit. I've left that patch in, for now. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you regarding this. I think when I previously looked at the request I assumed that we meant the maintainers, rather than also the Release Team. I agree that 7.0 is wrong, although it does always worry me changing stuff like this. If it's unlikely to have been used, maybe just an explicit mention somewhere obvious would suffice, so that people notice and can amend things if they are relying on it? Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1420217381.25545.8.ca...@adam-barratt.org.uk
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Hi 746946 (2014.11.01_03:02:58_+0200) We still need to make a decision on this bit. I've left that patch in, for now. Ping? SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ H: +27 21 461 1230 C: +27 72 419 8559 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141228115425.ga27...@purcell.lan
Bug#746946: wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1
Control: retitle -1 wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1 Oops, I dropped the ball on this, and now we have more updates to do. I'd argue that 8 would be right for Jessie and 7.0 somewhat wrong for Wheezy, hence I'd tend to agree to the change. Stefano, where is this used? I don't know of anything that uses the --release flag (or that data). It's possible that people use it in their own scripts, but this isn't something that's very useful for automated tasks. The codenames tend to be the important bit. We still need to make a decision on this bit. I've left that patch in, for now. Updated debdiff: diff -Nru distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian/changelog distro-info-data-0.23~deb7u1/debian/changelog --- distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian/changelog 2013-10-21 08:13:46.0 -0700 +++ distro-info-data-0.23~deb7u1/debian/changelog 2014-10-26 14:23:16.0 -0700 @@ -1,3 +1,16 @@ +distro-info-data (0.23~deb7u1) stable; urgency=medium + + * Backport updates up to 0.23: +- Add Ubuntu 15.04, Vivid Vervet (with provisional release date). +- Correct EOL date of Debian 6.0 Squeeze to 2014-05-31. +- Update EOL date of Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal to 2014-05-16. +- Add Ubuntu 14.10, Utopic Unicorn. +- Update EOL date of Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtai to 2014-01-27. +- Use just the stable release version without the point release suffix, + i.e. 6.0 for squeeze, 7 for wheezy, and 8 for jessie. (Closes: #724557) + + -- Stefano Rivera stefa...@debian.org Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:14:45 -0700 + distro-info-data (0.17~deb7u1) stable; urgency=low * Add Ubuntu 14.04, Trusty Tahr. (Closes: #726696, 727020) diff -Nru distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian.csv distro-info-data-0.23~deb7u1/debian.csv --- distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/debian.csv 2013-10-21 07:58:51.0 -0700 +++ distro-info-data-0.23~deb7u1/debian.csv 2014-10-26 14:14:41.0 -0700 @@ -9,8 +9,8 @@ 3.1,Sarge,sarge,2002-07-19,2005-06-06,2008-03-30 4.0,Etch,etch,2005-06-06,2007-04-08,2010-02-15 5.0,Lenny,lenny,2007-04-08,2009-02-14,2012-02-06 -6.0,Squeeze,squeeze,2009-02-14,2011-02-06,2014-05-04 -7.0,Wheezy,wheezy,2011-02-06,2013-05-04 -8.0,Jessie,jessie,2013-05-04 +6.0,Squeeze,squeeze,2009-02-14,2011-02-06,2014-05-31 +7,Wheezy,wheezy,2011-02-06,2013-05-04 +8,Jessie,jessie,2013-05-04 ,Sid,sid,1993-08-16 ,Experimental,experimental,1993-08-16 diff -Nru distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv distro-info-data-0.23~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv --- distro-info-data-0.17~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv 2013-10-21 07:58:51.0 -0700 +++ distro-info-data-0.23~deb7u1/ubuntu.csv 2014-10-26 14:23:23.0 -0700 @@ -15,7 +15,9 @@ 11.04,Natty Narwhal,natty,2010-10-10,2011-04-28,2012-10-28 11.10,Oneiric Ocelot,oneiric,2011-04-28,2011-10-13,2013-05-09 12.04 LTS,Precise Pangolin,precise,2011-10-13,2012-04-26,2017-04-26 -12.10,Quantal Quetzal,quantal,2012-04-26,2012-10-18,2014-04-18 -13.04,Raring Ringtail,raring,2012-10-18,2013-04-25,2014-01-25 +12.10,Quantal Quetzal,quantal,2012-04-26,2012-10-18,2014-05-16 +13.04,Raring Ringtail,raring,2012-10-18,2013-04-25,2014-01-27 13.10,Saucy Salamander,saucy,2013-04-25,2013-10-17,2014-07-17 14.04 LTS,Trusty Tahr,trusty,2013-10-17,2014-04-17,2019-04-17 +14.10,Utopic Unicorn,utopic,2014-04-17,2014-10-23,2015-07-23 +15.04,Vivid Vervet,vivid,2014-10-23,2015-04-30,2016-01-30 SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ H: +27 21 461 1230 C: +27 72 419 8559 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141101010258.go3...@bach.rivera.co.za
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Processing control commands: retitle -1 wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1 Bug #746946 [release.debian.org] wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.20~deb7u1 Changed Bug title to 'wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.23~deb7u1' from 'wheezy-pu: package distro-info-data/0.20~deb7u1' -- 746946: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746946 Debian Bug Tracking System Contact ow...@bugs.debian.org with problems -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/handler.s.b746946.14148037828060.transcr...@bugs.debian.org
