RE: Installation Question

2009-12-23 Thread Martin, Larry D
Thank you.

I am now in the SSH session.  I have made it to Configure Disks and am not 
sure what the format of the address is.  I have two volumes 108E and 108F and I 
tried 0.0.108E but that failed.

Any suggestions?

On the first menu on SSH I chose Start Installation.  Should I have chosen to 
Start a Shell?

Thanks,   Larry

-Original Message-
From: Frans Pop [mailto:elen...@planet.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:47 PM
To: debian-s390@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Installation Question

Martin, Larry D wrote:
 All goes well until the install asks which site I want to use.  I chose
 ftp.us.debian.org (and a couple of others) and I get ...site either not
 available or does not contain a valid release...

The ftp.us.debian.org mirror works perfectly for me (using the same CD).

Sounds as if you don't have an internet connection because of incorrect 
networking setup. But that's hard to tell without knowing the actual 
errors.

Did you already switch to using an SSH session to complete the 
installation, or are you still using the text interface from the console?

If you're still on the console you can see them by choosing Execute a 
shell from the installer's main menu and typing 'cat /var/log/syslog'.
If you're using SSH, you can see the syslog by starting a second session 
and choosing the Start shell option and then use either cat or nano to 
view the syslog.

If you need help, please copy and paste the full syslog (if possible).


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-23 Thread Martin, Larry D
It appears that Debian does not think the disks are usable because they are 
reachable from another partition.

When I did the IOCDS for our machine I actually had the two volumes for Linux 
reachable from four LPARs.  One of the four is linux, one is inactive, one has 
the volumes offline, and the last one is a coupling facility LPAR.

Does anyone have an IOCDS that shows 3390's properly defined for Debian?  Or 
any other suggestions?  The disks are definitely reachable from the LPAR into 
which I am loading Linux.

Thanks,   .Larry



-Original Message-
From: Frans Pop [mailto:elen...@planet.nl] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:33 AM
To: debian-s390@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installation Question

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Martin, Larry D wrote:
 I am now in the SSH session.  I have made it to Configure Disks and am
 not sure what the format of the address is.  I have two volumes 108E and
 108F and I tried 0.0.108E but that failed.
 
 Any suggestions?

No idea. For me the available dasds have always been listed and I could 
just select them. AFAICT the last format should be correct. You may have 
to check that the devices really are available. I don't think I can help 
much with this.

Maybe this walktrough of an installation in the Hercules s390 emulator will 
help for reference:
http://www.josefsipek.net/docs/s390-linux/hercules-s390.html
 
 On the first menu on SSH I chose Start Installation.  Should I have
 chosen to Start a Shell?

I assume you mean Start menu, but that's correct. The shell is available 
mainly for troubleshooting. You can use it to enter commands manually, 
check the syslog, etc.

You should only have *one* menu SSH session open, but you can have multiple 
shell sessions if you want.

Cheers,
FJP


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-23 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-23, Larry Martin wrote:
 It appears that Debian does not think the disks are usable because
 they are reachable from another partition.

 When I did the IOCDS for our machine I actually had the two volumes
 for Linux reachable from four LPARs.  One of the four is linux, one
 is inactive, one has the volumes offline, and the last one is a
 coupling facility LPAR.

 Does anyone have an IOCDS that shows 3390's properly defined for Debian?
 Or any other suggestions?  The disks are definitely reachable from the
 LPAR into which I am loading Linux.

 Thanks,   .Larry

Larry,

I'm not sure what you mean by reachable.  Do you mean shared?  Here
are some excerpts from our IOCP statements for a z890 (2086) with an IBM
DS6800 1750-511 RAID box for our DASD, which is attached to the host via
four FICON chpids.  The RAID box defines 512 devices: 6100-61FF and
6300-63FF.  6100-6112 and 6300-6312 (38 devices) are emulated 3390-9
devices.  The rest are 3390-3 devices.  None of these devices support
PVA.  These are IOCP statements generated by HCD/HCM running under z/OS,
which are slightly different in format from the native IOCP format.  But
you'll get the idea.

--

 TITLE 'SYS1.IODF01 - 2006-10-10 12:08:22  '
*
 ID NAME=DOLC01,UNIT=2086,MODEL=A04,MODE=LPAR,LEVEL=H040331,   *
   SCR='DOLC01  06-10-1012:08:22SYS*
   1IODF01  '
 RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(MVSPROD,1),(MVSTECH,3),(MVSTEST,2*
   ),(ZOSPROD,4),(ZVMPROD,5))),MAXDEV=((CSS(0),64512)),*
   DESCL=('MVS PRODUCTION LPAR','','MVS TES*
   T LPAR','',''),USAGE=(OS,OS,OS,OS,OS)
 .
 .
 .
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),20),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=120
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),21),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=121
 .
 .
 .
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),30),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=130
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),31),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=131
 .
 .
 .
 CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=6100,PATH=((CSS(0),20,30,21,31)),*
   UNITADD=((00,256)),SHARED=N,CUADD=1,SERIAL='13-AFALA',  *
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 Control Unit',UNIT=1750
 IODEVICE ADDRESS=(6100,256),UNITADD=00,CUNUMBR=(6100),STADET=Y*
   ,SERIAL='13-AFALA', *
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 mod-9  mod-3s',UNIT=3390
 CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=6300,PATH=((CSS(0),21,31,20,30)),*
   UNITADD=((00,256)),SHARED=N,CUADD=3,SERIAL='13-AFALA',  *
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 Control Unit',UNIT=1750
 IODEVICE ADDRESS=(6300,256),UNITADD=00,CUNUMBR=(6300),STADET=Y*
   ,SERIAL='13-AFALA',
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 mod-9  mod-3s',UNIT=3390

--

The above IOCP definitions use the ESCON Multi-Image Facility (EMIF)
to allow the DASD devices to be shared by all LPARs.  (EMIF works for
FICON as well as ESCON.)

If a normal mainframe operating system, such as z/OS or z/VM, can see
the DASD, then Linux should be able to see it too.  If not, then you're
probably doing something wrong in the installation.  If I remember right,
there is an initial screen which displays all the DASD devices it
recognizes.  You have to explicitly select all the devices you are going
to use on that screen, though some of them may be pre-selected.  Then
there is another screen later on where you can create partitions,
assign mount points, etc.  If you don't select the devices on the first
screen, they won't be available on the second screen.

Also, keep in mind that (a) the Debian installer supports only CKD DASD
devices and (b) the Debian installer supports only the cdl format
(compatible disk layout).  You said that your devices were 3390s, which
are CKD devices; so that should be OK.

I do all of my Linux installs in a virtual machine under z/VM, not natively
in an LPAR as you are attempting to do; so I don't really know how much
more help I can be if you are running into an LPAR-environment-specific
problem.

Regards,
Steve


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-23 Thread Martin, Larry D
Steve,

Thanks.  

If I remember right,
there is an initial screen which displays all the DASD devices it
recognizes. 

Unfortunately the list is empty (recognizes none) and then prompts me to enter 
an address, which, of course fails.

Thanks again,  ..Larry

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Powell [mailto:zlinux...@wowway.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:41 AM
To: debian-s390@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Installation Question

On 2009-12-23, Larry Martin wrote:
 It appears that Debian does not think the disks are usable because
 they are reachable from another partition.

 When I did the IOCDS for our machine I actually had the two volumes
 for Linux reachable from four LPARs.  One of the four is linux, one
 is inactive, one has the volumes offline, and the last one is a
 coupling facility LPAR.

 Does anyone have an IOCDS that shows 3390's properly defined for Debian?
 Or any other suggestions?  The disks are definitely reachable from the
 LPAR into which I am loading Linux.

 Thanks,   .Larry

Larry,

I'm not sure what you mean by reachable.  Do you mean shared?  Here
are some excerpts from our IOCP statements for a z890 (2086) with an IBM
DS6800 1750-511 RAID box for our DASD, which is attached to the host via
four FICON chpids.  The RAID box defines 512 devices: 6100-61FF and
6300-63FF.  6100-6112 and 6300-6312 (38 devices) are emulated 3390-9
devices.  The rest are 3390-3 devices.  None of these devices support
PVA.  These are IOCP statements generated by HCD/HCM running under z/OS,
which are slightly different in format from the native IOCP format.  But
you'll get the idea.

--

 TITLE 'SYS1.IODF01 - 2006-10-10 12:08:22  '
*
 ID NAME=DOLC01,UNIT=2086,MODEL=A04,MODE=LPAR,LEVEL=H040331,   *
   SCR='DOLC01  06-10-1012:08:22SYS*
   1IODF01  '
 RESOURCE PARTITION=((CSS(0),(MVSPROD,1),(MVSTECH,3),(MVSTEST,2*
   ),(ZOSPROD,4),(ZVMPROD,5))),MAXDEV=((CSS(0),64512)),*
   DESCL=('MVS PRODUCTION LPAR','','MVS TES*
   T LPAR','',''),USAGE=(OS,OS,OS,OS,OS)
 .
 .
 .
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),20),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=120
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),21),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=121
 .
 .
 .
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),30),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=130
 CHPID PATH=(CSS(0),31),SHARED,*
   PARTITION=((MVSPROD,MVSTECH,MVSTEST,ZOSPROD,ZVMPROD),(=)*
   ),DESC='IBM DS6800 DASD',TYPE=FC,PCHID=131
 .
 .
 .
 CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=6100,PATH=((CSS(0),20,30,21,31)),*
   UNITADD=((00,256)),SHARED=N,CUADD=1,SERIAL='13-AFALA',  *
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 Control Unit',UNIT=1750
 IODEVICE ADDRESS=(6100,256),UNITADD=00,CUNUMBR=(6100),STADET=Y*
   ,SERIAL='13-AFALA', *
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 mod-9  mod-3s',UNIT=3390
 CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=6300,PATH=((CSS(0),21,31,20,30)),*
   UNITADD=((00,256)),SHARED=N,CUADD=3,SERIAL='13-AFALA',  *
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 Control Unit',UNIT=1750
 IODEVICE ADDRESS=(6300,256),UNITADD=00,CUNUMBR=(6300),STADET=Y*
   ,SERIAL='13-AFALA',
   DESC='DS6800 1750-511 mod-9  mod-3s',UNIT=3390

--

The above IOCP definitions use the ESCON Multi-Image Facility (EMIF)
to allow the DASD devices to be shared by all LPARs.  (EMIF works for
FICON as well as ESCON.)

If a normal mainframe operating system, such as z/OS or z/VM, can see
the DASD, then Linux should be able to see it too.  If not, then you're
probably doing something wrong in the installation.  If I remember right,
there is an initial screen which displays all the DASD devices it
recognizes.  You have to explicitly select all the devices you are going
to use on that screen, though some of them may be pre-selected.  Then
there is another screen later on where you can create partitions,
assign mount points, etc.  If you don't select the devices on the first
screen, they won't be available on the second screen.

Also, keep in mind that (a) the Debian installer supports only CKD DASD
devices and (b) the Debian installer supports only the cdl format
(compatible disk layout).  You said that your devices were 3390s, which
are CKD devices; so that should be OK.

I do all of my Linux installs in a virtual machine under z/VM

RE: Installation Question

2009-12-23 Thread Stephen Powell
On 2009-12-23, Marry Martin wrote:
 Unfortunately the list is empty (recognizes none) and then prompts me
 to enter an address, which, of course fails.
 
 Thanks again,  ..Larry

When you get to the screen that is supposed to show the recognized
dasd devices, and nothing shows up, open another SSH session in
another window on your desktop.  Login as installer using the
password that you specified earlier, but don't run the installer
menu.  Instead, escape to a shell.  First of all, make sure that
the dasd drivers are loaded

# lsmod

You should see both dasd_mod and dasd_eckd_mod as loaded modules.
If not, manually load them with modprobe.  If that doesn't work,
you've got serious problems.  Did you mess with the installer components
to be downloaded?  Did you deselect some of them?

If both modules are loaded, issue

# cd /sys/bus/ccw/devices
# ls -Al|more

You should see a directory listed for each device number recognized,
regardless of whether it is dasd or not.  It will be of the form
0.0., where  is a hexadecimal number.  (Note that hex
digits a-f are lower case!)  See if the device is listed there.  If
it is, cd to that directory.  For example,

# cd 0.0.108e
# ls -Al

You can check the values of these variables with cat.  For example,

# cat online

If it responds with 0, then the device was recognized, but it is offline.
Check the use_diag and readonly variables to make sure they are zero
as well, then try to set the device online with

# echo 1 online

Then verify that it came online with another

# cat online

This time, it should say 1, which means that it is online.  If this
works, do the same for your other volume:

# cd ../0.0.108f
.
.
.

If that works, then come back to the original install session, select
Back, then invoke that step again.  With luck, it will find the dasd
devices now.

P.S. Please do not attach my entire original e-mail at the end of your
next posting.  Just quote the relevant portions with the  character
above your response.  Also, please try to keep your input lines to a
maximum of 80 characters.  Thanks.


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-22 Thread Martin, Larry D
Thank you.  I downloaded and started the install.

All goes well until the install asks which site I want to use.  I chose 
ftp.us.debian.org (and a couple of others) and I get ...site either not 
available or does not contain a valid release...

What site should I chose to complete the install?

Thanks again,   Larry

-Original Message-
From: Frans Pop [mailto:elen...@planet.nl] 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:13 PM
To: debian-s390@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installation Question

On Monday 21 December 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
 Martin, Larry D wrote:
  The iso directory for s390 is empty (as far as I can tell) again this
  week.

 Unfortunately the server that hosts the Debian Installer images for s390
 looks to be down today, which means that the server that builds the CD
 images could not download them and so the weekly CD build failed.

 There's nothing much I can do about that. Sorry for the inconvenience.

I've just created a bootable s390 CD for Lenny. You can download it from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/

Cheers,
FJP


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-22 Thread Frans Pop
Martin, Larry D wrote:
 All goes well until the install asks which site I want to use.  I chose
 ftp.us.debian.org (and a couple of others) and I get ...site either not
 available or does not contain a valid release...

The ftp.us.debian.org mirror works perfectly for me (using the same CD).

Sounds as if you don't have an internet connection because of incorrect 
networking setup. But that's hard to tell without knowing the actual 
errors.

Did you already switch to using an SSH session to complete the 
installation, or are you still using the text interface from the console?

If you're still on the console you can see them by choosing Execute a 
shell from the installer's main menu and typing 'cat /var/log/syslog'.
If you're using SSH, you can see the syslog by starting a second session 
and choosing the Start shell option and then use either cat or nano to 
view the syslog.

If you need help, please copy and paste the full syslog (if possible).


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-21 Thread Martin, Larry D
The iso directory for s390 is empty (as far as I can tell) again this week.

Thanks,   .Larry

-Original Message-
From: Frans Pop [mailto:elen...@planet.nl] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:59 AM
To: debian-s390@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installation Question

Martin, Larry D wrote:
 The S390 directory appears to me to be empty this week.

Yes, unfortunately there was a build error this week (which sometimes 
happens for daily and weekly builds). The images should be back next 
Monday.

 There was stuff there last week (can I point to that?).

Afraid not. Full CD/DVD images just take too much space to keep multiple 
versions around.

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Installation Question

2009-12-21 Thread Frans Pop
Martin, Larry D wrote:
 The iso directory for s390 is empty (as far as I can tell) again this
 week.

Unfortunately the server that hosts the Debian Installer images for s390 
looks to be down today, which means that the server that builds the CD 
images could not download them and so the weekly CD build failed.

There's nothing much I can do about that. Sorry for the inconvenience.


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Re: Installation Question

2009-12-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 21 December 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
 Martin, Larry D wrote:
  The iso directory for s390 is empty (as far as I can tell) again this
  week.

 Unfortunately the server that hosts the Debian Installer images for s390
 looks to be down today, which means that the server that builds the CD
 images could not download them and so the weekly CD build failed.

 There's nothing much I can do about that. Sorry for the inconvenience.

I've just created a bootable s390 CD for Lenny. You can download it from:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/

Cheers,
FJP


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-21 Thread Stephen Powell
On December 21, 2009, Larry Martin wrote:
 The iso directory for s390 is empty (as far as I can tell) again this week.
 
 Thanks,   .Larry

According to the web page http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/,
problems with the weekly builds should be reported on another list: 
debian...@lists.debian.org.
I cannot find evidence in your original posting that this list was CC-ed; so 
you might want
to put a posting on that list complaining that none of the s390 architecture 
weekly builds
exist.  Here is an excerpt from the above web page:

--

Problems?

If you encounter any problems with these images, please check the Debian CDs 
FAQ.
The most common complaint at the moment is about wrongly-sized or corrupt DVD 
ISO images,
which is normally a bug in your http download program.

If your problem is not covered by the above FAQ, please report it to
the debian...@lists.debian.org mailing list.

--

(I checked the FAQ.  The subject, all the files for architecture xyz are 
missing
is not one of the topics covered in the FAQ.)

I'd report the problem myself; but I use the VM reader images from generic, not 
the CD
images, to do my installs.  Therefore, you have a greater vested interest to 
make some
noise on the other list than I do.  So I'll let you do it.  :-)

Regards,
Steve


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Re: Installation Question

2009-12-16 Thread Frans Pop
Martin, Larry D wrote:
 The S390 directory appears to me to be empty this week.

Yes, unfortunately there was a build error this week (which sometimes 
happens for daily and weekly builds). The images should be back next 
Monday.

 There was stuff there last week (can I point to that?).

Afraid not. Full CD/DVD images just take too much space to keep multiple 
versions around.

Cheers,
FJP


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RE: Installation Question

2009-12-16 Thread Martin, Larry D
Thanks..Larry

-Original Message-
From: Frans Pop [mailto:elen...@planet.nl] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:59 AM
To: debian-s390@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Installation Question

Martin, Larry D wrote:
 The S390 directory appears to me to be empty this week.

Yes, unfortunately there was a build error this week (which sometimes 
happens for daily and weekly builds). The images should be back next 
Monday.

 There was stuff there last week (can I point to that?).

Afraid not. Full CD/DVD images just take too much space to keep multiple 
versions around.

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Installation Question

2009-12-14 Thread Stephen Powell
Frans Pop wrote:
 Hm. Except that for Lenny (stable) we haven't had any new CD builds since 
 it was fixed. That will only happen at the next stable point release 
 (which is overdue).

 The weekly built CD for Squeeze [1] should work though and should be usable 
 to install Lenny too. You'll need to change the debconf priority 
 to medium before the mirror selection step to get a choice of which 
 release to install.

Given the low frequency of stable release updates, perhaps I should ask if
the fix for Debian bug #550898 is scheduled to be included in the next update,
both in the Debian installer and in the regular stock kernels.  This fix
is an s390/s390x-specific fix.  An upstream developer promised me that he would
get this fix in the next kernel release, which at the time was going to be
2.6.33.  But since stable Debian releases tend to go with even numbered
kernel releases, the earliest upstream version which contains this fix that
Debian actually uses is likely to be 2.6.34.  That might not even be available
in Squeeze.  I'd really like to see this fix in production as soon as possible.
Until that happens, I will have to build custom kernels.
I requested this in bug report number 550898, but no-one responded.  I have
a patch for this available on my web site now:

http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/dasd_diag.diff

If you cut and paste the version in the problem log you may have problems
applying the patch due to tab versus space issues.  The version on my web site
applies just fine even without resorting to the -l option of patch.


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Re: Installation Question

2009-12-11 Thread Frans Pop
Martin, Larry D wrote:
 Does anyone know if the problem installing Debian on zSeries from CD-ROM
 has been corrected?

Yes, it has.


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