Re: Debian Math Team
On Tue 02 Nov 2021 04:08:32 AM EDT, Nilesh Patra wrote: On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 08:57:21PM +, Torrance, Douglas wrote: On Mon 01 Nov 2021 04:35:36 PM EDT, Nilesh Patra wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 09:20:18PM +0100, Julien Puydt wrote: > > H... for each package, the Maintainer field in d/control should > > probably be changed to -- "Debian Math Team > > > > The much better option would be to use instead. > So as to avoid large volumes of processing emails onto the main mailing list. > > Both golang and python teams use something similar, > "" and "" respectively. I agree. I went ahead and started a draft of a team policy including this as the Maintainer address [1]. It's just a fork of the Debian Science policy and still needs a lot of work. The source is at [2]. Please feel free to suggest/make changes! I also created a wiki page here[3] Feel free to edit this as needed. I somewhat agree with Ole on the policy thingy, maybe this is just extra work. So for now, on the wiki I simply stated that we adopt the policy of science team. This seems like a good! I went ahead and un-published the policy draft that was briefly at [1]. I also added a link to the list of all teams at [4]. Doug [1] https://math-team.pages.debian.net/policy/ [2] https://salsa.debian.org/math-team/policy [3]: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMath [4] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Math Team
Am Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 08:04:40AM +0100 schrieb Ole Streicher: > I'd really disagree here. We should avoid a fragmentation of the policy > without a really good reason. This makes it difficult for people to step > in, as they have to learn all the small differences in the team > policy. And it is hard to find them in the full text. I agree that it would be great to settle with some common policy and a minimum set of necessary deviations like Salsa repository and Maintainer field and whatever. Unfortunately I'm not sure that Debian Science policy is written in a way that this is easily possible. So we should probably work on this (and than adapt not only Debian Mathematics policy but also Debian Med and others). > Instead, I would suggest to keep (and improve) the Science Team policy, > and then to have a *tiny* Math team policy, which could just be a > 5..10-liner, like > > | We inherit the Science Team policy, except: > | * The maintainer field should be set to > | "Debian Math Team ". > | * The VCS location is in the Salsa namespace > | https://salsa.debian.org/math-team/ > > Having many nearly-identical policies for relatively small teams > otherwise creates problems in consistency, and I am afraid that useful > changes are not always "upstreamed" to the science umbrella otherwise. > > I would also suggest (also for the science team policy) that a package > under team maintainance *must* be git version controlled and under the > team's namespace. I'm a fan of clearly outspoken must. :-) I'm guilty for a couple of "team-hijacks" in the past and besides one single case where an outsider told me that I'm not permitted to do this (which is technically correct) this was good for the packages and for the users of the packages. > I would (again, also for science team) not put the metapackages into the > policy, as the policy should remain rather stable, but the metapackages > are ongoing work. Amen. ;-) Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
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* Ole Streicher [2021-11-02 08:04]: Instead, I would suggest to keep (and improve) the Science Team policy, and then to have a *tiny* Math team policy, which could just be a 5..10-liner, like | We inherit the Science Team policy, except: | * The maintainer field should be set to | "Debian Math Team ". | * The VCS location is in the Salsa namespace | https://salsa.debian.org/math-team/ As one of the "instigators" of the new Debian Robotics Team, I like this idea very much and we will adopt it, too. Jochen and I also discussed that we would like to consider the Robotics Team more of a subgroup of the Science Team rather than a completely independent team. Like the Math Team, we are mostly looking to improve the outside visibility of our field and attract more collaboration. (Personally, I also like the convenience of the dedicated package overviews on the PTS and DDPO pages). This means we will allow Team Uploads from Science Team members (and I'll add the Science Team as member to our Salsa namespace to reflect that); of course, we encourage regular contributors to directly join our team, so we have a better idea who is interested in the continued work on robotics-related packages. Maybe this concept might also work for the Math Team and other science-related groups? Cheers Timo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ╭╮ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ │ Timo Röhling │ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ │ 9B03 EBB9 8300 DF97 C2B1 23BF CC8C 6BDD 1403 F4CA │ ⠈⠳⣄ ╰╯ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Math Team
On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 08:57:21PM +, Torrance, Douglas wrote: > On Mon 01 Nov 2021 04:35:36 PM EDT, Nilesh Patra wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2021 at 09:20:18PM +0100, Julien Puydt wrote: > > > H... for each package, the Maintainer field in d/control should > > > probably be changed to -- "Debian Math Team > > > > > > The much better option would be to use > > instead. > > So as to avoid large volumes of processing emails onto the main mailing > > list. > > > > Both golang and python teams use something similar, > > "" and "" > > respectively. > > I agree. I went ahead and started a draft of a team policy including this as > the > Maintainer address [1]. It's just a fork of the Debian Science policy and > still needs a lot > of work. The source is at [2]. Please feel free to suggest/make changes! I also created a wiki page here[3] Feel free to edit this as needed. I somewhat agree with Ole on the policy thingy, maybe this is just extra work. So for now, on the wiki I simply stated that we adopt the policy of science team. > [1] https://math-team.pages.debian.net/policy/ > [2] https://salsa.debian.org/math-team/policy [3]: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMath Nilesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Math Team
"Torrance, Douglas" writes: > I went ahead and started a draft of a team policy including this as > the Maintainer address [1]. It's just a fork of the Debian Science > policy and still needs a lot of work. The source is at [2]. Please > feel free to suggest/make changes! I'd really disagree here. We should avoid a fragmentation of the policy without a really good reason. This makes it difficult for people to step in, as they have to learn all the small differences in the team policy. And it is hard to find them in the full text. Instead, I would suggest to keep (and improve) the Science Team policy, and then to have a *tiny* Math team policy, which could just be a 5..10-liner, like | We inherit the Science Team policy, except: | * The maintainer field should be set to | "Debian Math Team ". | * The VCS location is in the Salsa namespace | https://salsa.debian.org/math-team/ Having many nearly-identical policies for relatively small teams otherwise creates problems in consistency, and I am afraid that useful changes are not always "upstreamed" to the science umbrella otherwise. I would also suggest (also for the science team policy) that a package under team maintainance *must* be git version controlled and under the team's namespace. I would (again, also for science team) not put the metapackages into the policy, as the policy should remain rather stable, but the metapackages are ongoing work. Cheers Ole
