Re: RE : Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:43:18 +0200 Sylvestre Ledru wrote: [...] On 11/07/2012 19:19, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:32:01 +0200 Francesco Poli wrote: It's still true that SALOME was affected by this licensing issue in the past and was removed from Debian due to multiple issues (including the licensing ones). But the issue no longer affects the current SALOME... Actually, the removal was not asked because of the license issues. I asked the removal because the package: * didn't build * was not usable * not maintained I probably misunderstood something, then... I saw that your removal request [1] also mentioned the many RC bugs and my report [2] about the licensing issues was indeed RC. So I am a bit puzzled now... [1] http://bugs.debian.org/657433#5 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/619662 -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpItXgiz5OLp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RE : Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
Le 08/07/2012 03:32, Francesco Poli a écrit : On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 15:46:11 -0600 Sylvestre Ledru wrote: Le 06/07/2012 10:54, Francesco Poli a écrit : On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:16:58 +0200 Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: Does open cascade is a subsitairi of commissariat a l energie atomique(cea) ? [...] I don't know whether there's any relationship between OPEN CASCADE S.A.S. and CEA. CEA is involved (probably from the start) in the SALOME development (which is based on OpenCASCADE). Mmmh, this is something... Are CEA people aware that SALOME binaries are legally undistributable due to multiple licensing issues [1], among which the GPL-incompatibility of Open CASCADE Technology? FYI, CEA and EDF are developing together SALOME for a while. From the start, it is based on OpenCascade. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/619662 If they are aware, are they worried about these issues? I don't know. I don't work for EDF or CEA but I guess they don't care much about incompatibilities between free licenses. I think what really matters is having a full free CAD software stack. These problems seems minor to me and not worst all the problems. Are they disappointed that salome got removed from Debian because of various RC bugs, among which its licensing issues? They are pushing to see Salome into Debian. However, EDF CEA are big corporations. I don't know if it gets to the lawyers. Sylvestre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ffb1c92.50...@debian.org
Re: RE : Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 15:46:11 -0600 Sylvestre Ledru wrote: Le 06/07/2012 10:54, Francesco Poli a écrit : On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:16:58 +0200 Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: Does open cascade is a subsitairi of commissariat a l energie atomique(cea) ? [...] I don't know whether there's any relationship between OPEN CASCADE S.A.S. and CEA. CEA is involved (probably from the start) in the SALOME development (which is based on OpenCASCADE). Mmmh, this is something... Are CEA people aware that SALOME binaries are legally undistributable due to multiple licensing issues [1], among which the GPL-incompatibility of Open CASCADE Technology? [1] http://bugs.debian.org/619662 If they are aware, are they worried about these issues? Are they disappointed that salome got removed from Debian because of various RC bugs, among which its licensing issues? Are they willing to help solving these licensing issues? -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpnB8Dzmy0Bv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RE : Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
Le 06/07/2012 10:54, Francesco Poli a écrit : On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:16:58 +0200 Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: Does open cascade is a subsitairi of commissariat a l energie atomique(cea) ? Hi Bastien, thanks for following up on this discussion. I don't know whether there's any relationship between OPEN CASCADE S.A.S. and CEA. CEA is involved (probably from the start) in the SALOME development (which is based on OpenCASCADE). Sylvestre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ff8ae23.1050...@debian.org
RE : Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
Does open cascade is a subsitairi of commissariat a l energie atomique(cea) ? If so could we try to get in touch with cea guys that use opencascade. Personnaly i have a few contact, but i could try to get more from my lab Bastien Le 2 juil. 2012 10:36, Julien Cristau julien.cris...@logilab.fr a écrit : On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 21:56:10 +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: But I wrote to them so many times, ... The problem with pestering is it's likely to be counter-productive. So is encouraging other people to join that pestering. Cheers, Julien -- Julien Cristau julien.cris...@logilab.fr Logilab http://www.logilab.fr/ Informatique scientifique gestion de connaissances -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscrib... Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120702083553.ga15...@crater2.logilab.fr
Re: RE : Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:16:58 +0200 Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: Does open cascade is a subsitairi of commissariat a l energie atomique(cea) ? Hi Bastien, thanks for following up on this discussion. I don't know whether there's any relationship between OPEN CASCADE S.A.S. and CEA. OPEN CASCADE S.A.S. [1] belongs to the EURIWARE group [2], which, in its turn, is a subsidiary of the AREVA group [3]. At this point my (very limited) expertise in exploring relationships among companies/groups/funds/foundations gives up... [1] http://www.opencascade.com/about/ [2] http://euriware.areva.com/EN/euriware-84/euriware-who-are-we.html [3] http://www.areva.com/ If so could we try to get in touch with cea guys that use opencascade. Personnaly i have a few contact, but i could try to get more from my lab When you say that they use Open CASCADE Technology at CEA, are you referring to GUITHARE [4] ? If so, I don't know how much CEA could be interested in GPL-compatibility of Open CASCADE Technology... If I understand correctly, CEA is more or less a customer of Open CASCADE S.A.S. in that case: do they care what license is Open CASCADE Technology available under for the general public? [4] http://www.opencascade.org/ex/att/127_GUITHARE_Success_Story.pdf -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpS5oNyvEb9a.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:16:35 +1000 Ben Finney wrote: Francesco Poli invernom...@paranoici.org writes: I am personally trying hard to persuade Open CASCADE S.A.S. (the company behind Open CASCADE Technology) to re-license Open CASCADE Technology under GPLv2-compatible terms, in order to solve this issue once and for all. I have been pestering Open CASCADE S.A.S. since April 2009... I'm familiar enough with Francesco to know that his “pestering” is likely quite polite. Yes, sure: I try to be as nice as possible. But I wrote to them so many times, that I do not hesitate to consider my persuasion effort as pestering... [...] Anyone contacting them about this, *please* keep a calm and civil tone. [...] I agree with these suggestions. Ben, I know your competence and passion. I am sure that you yourself are an ideal candidate for this persuasion struggle. Please contact Open CASCADE S.A.S. and add your voice to the ones that are already pushing in the direction of the LGPL v2.1 re-licensing! -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpnwJcVuREWt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
Hello all, I will try to notify gmsh and freecad upstreams. Anton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/calf6qjmvi7kh3ozoku_wy9dbp7_9hnqx7xhutqtm5kk+xre...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:59:28 +0200 Anton Gladky wrote: Hello all, Hi Anton, I will try to notify gmsh and freecad upstreams. That's appreciated, but I think that they are already aware of the issue [1][2]. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/617931#10 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/617613#119 However, I don't know how much they tried to talk with Open CASCADE S.A.S. and persuade them to re-license under GPLv2-compatible terms. Hence, it *could* possibly be useful to encourage them to directly join the persuasion effort... Thanks for any help you can provide. -- http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt New GnuPG key, see the transition document! . Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82 3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE pgpQUop3RtAn8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OpenCASCADE re-licensing: a (desperate) call for help
A Dijous, 28 de juny de 2012, Francesco Poli va escriure: Hello members of debian-science and of debian-legal, I am writing a (desperate) call for help. As some of you already know, oce [1] is the Debian package of OCE [2], a fork of OpenCASCADE Technology [3]. [1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/oce.html [2] https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/wiki [3] http://www.opencascade.org/ Its license is the Open CASCADE Technology Public License, which is by itself acceptable [4] (from a DFSG point of view), but GPLv2-incompatible. [4] https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/12/msg00077.html There are a number of packages which link with both OCE and GPLv2-licensed libraries, and are thus actually undistributable. One was salome [5], but it has been removed from Debian for various reasons. Other packages affected by this issue are freecad [6], gmsh [7], and netgen [8]. [5] http://bugs.debian.org/619662 [6] http://bugs.debian.org/617613 [7] http://bugs.debian.org/617931 [8] http://bugs.debian.org/618968 I am personally trying hard to persuade Open CASCADE S.A.S. (the company behind Open CASCADE Technology) to re-license Open CASCADE Technology under GPLv2-compatible terms, in order to solve this issue once and for all. I have been pestering Open CASCADE S.A.S. since April 2009... Unfortunately, latest news [9] is that they postponed the decision (again!). [9] http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=node/31#comment-63 However, several months have passed since February 2012 (at least for some definition of several!). Hence, I've recently resumed my persuasion effort. But I need help from other people. *Many* other people. As I repeatedly stated in the bug log [6] of #617613 (especially, please read at least the original report [10]), other people should contact Open CASCADE S.A.S. and try to persuade them to re-license Open CASCADE Technology under GPLv2-compatible terms (for instance, under the GNU LGPL v2.1). If nobody helps me in this persuasion struggle, I am afraid that the only solution will be to remove the above-mentioned packages from Debian, which is always a sad defeat! [10] http://bugs.debian.org/617613#5 Thanks for any help you can provide! Hi, what's about to prepare some kind of letter to send to Open CASCADE S.A.S and the people just has to sign the propose? Regards, Leo -- -- Linux User 152692 PGP: 0xF944807E Catalonia - A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-science-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206290043.34046@alaxarxa.net
