Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
Christian T. Steigies wrote: On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 12:21:41AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: Dear Debian-Science, I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, preferably packaged in Debian. I have been using GLE since 10+ years http://glx.sourceforge.net/ The webpage says it is under a BSD license, IIRC it is not in debian because of license issues, but it is easy to package. GLE is not maintained by the original author anymore, it is not entirely clear who wrote what and under what license, but maybe it has all been cleared up with the new team. It has been a while that Torsten and me have been looking into packaging it. Well, I'm completely new to debian packaging, but I've hacked together a working version that's better than using checkinstall based on the latest CVS snapshot referred to on the website. If anyone would like to use/modify the few changes I've made, I'm not particularly interested in becoming the debian maintainer for the package and I'm sure others could do it better - please tell me and I'll take the thing off my website and let you do it! Anyway, you can get a copy (and admire the lovely huge ad banner :( at: http://rswarbrick.coolinc.info/tipd.htm PLEASE send me any feedback. Rupert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Bill Allombert wrote: Dear Debian-Science, I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, preferably packaged in Debian. What gnuplot capabilities do you need (3D, curve fitting, flexible output formats, limited programming) and what capabilities does it lack (e.g., why are you looking elsewhere)? Do you have experiences with some of them ? I'm one of the developers of a package that originally used gnuplot back in the OS/2 days when we needed a simple, portable, plotting package with curve fitting that could be used on unix, OS/2, and Windows 3.x. These days I recommend R over gnuplot because it runs on most popular systems and has excellent user-community support, but for linux there are other languages with plotting capabilities. Python has been mentioned, but I'll add GDL (gnudatalanguage) and fl (very new, license not yet announced, but time-limited demos are available), two clones of IDL. IDL originated about the same time as Matlab, so feels comfortable to people who stated out with Fortran, and is handy if you need to work with binary data files (images). The IDL user community is helpful and supportive of newcomers, but is much smaller than the R community. -- George N. White III [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
Hi, On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 00:39, Stuart Prescott wrote: [snip] One thing that I found with PyX (and is true of many graphing packages) is that the size (bounding box in EPS speak) of the final graph is always different even if you give the graph the same dimensions when you create it. That's you define the size of the axes in PyX and then the tick labels and axis labels extend beyond that (and it's probably the most sensible way of doing it, so this is not a criticism of PyX, merely something of which one should be aware). Have you tried to use PS instead of EPS? There one can define size and offsets if the graphics in the coordinate system of the output page which is then fix. Kind Regards, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 13:31, Chris Walker wrote: david schryer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so you got python + eclipse + pyx as shipped with Debian and only what you had to install is pydev, is that correct? Almost. Pydev can be installed directly from eclipse using its add-in manager, check out: http://www.fabioz.com/pydev/manual_101_root.html In addition, I had to install pyx in a Non Debian way because it defaults to having TeTeX as a dependency and I use texlive which is a more complete and flexible TeX installation. I saw Texlive in the debian SW pool and AFAIK, work is in progress to allow/support both TeX distributions as alternatives. If TeTeX is going to be in Debian, (and http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html suggests it is), then you should file a bug against pyx. TeTex is in the debian SW pool since years. TexLive is new (AFAIK: 1 or 2 years ago). [snip] Kind Regards, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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so you got python + eclipse + pyx as shipped with Debian and only what you had to install is pydev, is that correct? Almost. Pydev can be installed directly from eclipse using its add-in manager, check out: http://www.fabioz.com/pydev/manual_101_root.html In addition, I had to install pyx in a Non Debian way because it defaults to having TeTeX as a dependency and I use texlive which is a more complete and flexible TeX installation. You can retrieve the .deb for texlive directly from CTAN: deb http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ pool/deb-src http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ pool/ >From my experience texlive is better for a single user install and others have said that TeTeX is better for a multi-user server, but that might change in the future as texlive is more modular so can be installed as a working TeX installation with custom abilities and a smaller footprint. did anyone track down why really pydev is not in Debian yet? I aman emacs guy but I might consider proper IDE... There is#316731: ITP: pydev -- eclipse plugin for python developmentPackage: wnpp; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 278 days old. If you are seriously interested in getting away from emacs, try out Leo (also hard to google). It is a very very useful program that I use for EVERYTHING. It literally changed the way I compute. You can download it from: (also not in Debian) http://sourceforge.net/projects/leo/ Or check out its homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html. Which includes testimonials such as: I think you're really showing what open source can do and your current trajectory puts you on track to kick Emacs into the dustbin of computing history. -- Dan Winkler As a Debian USER (read weak programmer), I am not trying to advertise this program, only share what really works.
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
I do not find gri in the package list with aptitude or with apt-cache search gri. Has it been packaged for Debian? curious : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grisearchon=namessubword=1version=allrelease=all I have it on my Sid, works fine stéphane -- ~ stéphane péchard | nantes | france ~ http://www.stephanepechard.net ~~~
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
Gerber van der Graaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not find gri in the package list with aptitude or with apt-cache search gri. Has it been packaged for Debian? Yes. If this is not the case, why are you advertizing on debian list for it? I'm the Debian maintainer for it, as well as being upstream for the Emacs mode. With all respect, but I think it that only software would be discussed on this list that have been packaged for this distro. Gerber With all due respect, I'm surprised that you couldn't find it. ;-) $ apt-cache show gri Package: gri Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: science Installed-Size: 1456 Maintainer: Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 2.12.11-0sarge1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgcc1 (= 1:3.4.1-3), libstdc++5 (= 1:3.3.4-1), netcdfg3 (= 3.5.0-1) Suggests: gri-html-doc, gri-ps-doc, gri-el Description: a language for scientific illustration Gri is an open-source language for scientific graphics programming. It is command-driven, as opposed to point/click. Some users consider Gri similar to LaTeX, since both provide extensive power as a reward for tolerating a learning curve. The output is industry-standard PostScript as output, suitable for inclusion in other documents. . Gri can make x-y graphs, contour graphs, and image graphs. Fine control is provided over all aspects of drawing, e.g. line widths, colors, fonts, etc. Greek letters and mathematical symbols are available in a TeX-like syntax. . Folks who write 1000-line Gri scripts usually start with something as simple as the following: . open file.dat# open a file read columns x * y # read the 1st column as x and the 3rd as y draw curve # draw the data and autoscale the axes . A full manual is also available in HTML (gri-html-doc package), in PostScript suitable for printing (gri-ps-doc package) and on-line by following links from the gri home page: http://gri.sourceforge.net/ The above is my sarge build of the unstable version that I use at work. Peter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Gerber, On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 13:09, Gerber van der Graaf wrote: I do not find gri in the package list with aptitude or with apt-cache search gri. Has it been packaged for Debian? If this is not the case, yes, it is packaged for debian, see http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gri/ why are you advertizing on debian list for it? With all respect, but I think it that only software would be discussed on this list that have been packaged for this distro. Gerber I think it is very helpful to announce also SW which fits to the categorie Science even if it is not packaged for debian. So one gets known about it. This is very informative and maybe someone can package it for debian. And there is room for improvement. Kind Regards, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006, david schryer wrote: I am writing in LaTeX. This included installing python, eclipse, pydev, compiling the pyx module and getting them all to work together so you got python + eclipse + pyx as shipped with Debian and only what you had to install is pydev, is that correct? did anyone track down why really pydev is not in Debian yet? I am an emacs guy but I might consider proper IDE... There is #316731: ITP: pydev -- eclipse plugin for python development Package: wnpp; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 278 days old. I am not sure on his intent (thus I CC Matthias -- please update on the status) -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006, Gary Pajer wrote: I am writing in LaTeX. This included installing python, eclipse, pydev, compiling the pyx module and getting them all to work together so you got python + eclipse + pyx as shipped with Debian and only what you had to install is pydev, is that correct? rant I'd never heard of Eclipse. It took me a heck of a long time (fully four or five minutes!) to find my way to it. ... Well -- apt-cache search eclipse tells a lot. And that is what I do first if I need to find some software ;-) then I do apt-get show :) So, did you install Debian package of eclipse or compiled from source? I am just curious why pydev is not in debian yet... -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi David, thanks for the kind words! I can hardly claim credit for making PyX as good as it is, but I will agree with you that it is a very nice tool. It does produce some very very nice results. I'll also not claim to be an expert in plotting programs, but I'm pleased that my reviews of them has provided you with assistance. Since the plotting programs (particularly the KDE/Qt based ones) have matured somewhat since my original posting, I should perhaps revisit the question when I have a spare couple of days (hah!) to try them all out again and see what I make of them now, even if I have little intention of changing away from PyX having put the effort into learning to use it. BTW, I think I probably made my learning curve steeper because I needed to do quite complicated things right from the beginning (I was in the middle of writing a paper too) and also taking a programmers approach to it by trying to abstract things and use flow control rather than just treat it as a quick and dirty script. That's probably a salutary lesson for others thinking of playing with PyX. You are right that the examples are quite good, although I did find problems with the docs as soon as I wanted to change from a dotted line to a dashed line etc or do some very serious monkeying with the legend on a graph (OK, it's my own fault for having very complex graphs, but it was also the best way of representing the data! honest...) One thing that I found with PyX (and is true of many graphing packages) is that the size (bounding box in EPS speak) of the final graph is always different even if you give the graph the same dimensions when you create it. That's you define the size of the axes in PyX and then the tick labels and axis labels extend beyond that (and it's probably the most sensible way of doing it, so this is not a criticism of PyX, merely something of which one should be aware). Normally this isn't a problem, but if you wish to stack a number of plots vertically as (a) (b) (c) etc in a figure, then you have to make sure the axes line up or they look silly. You can do this in PyX by putting them on the same canvas, or using a tool such as epsfconpose (google for it) or just using your typesetting program (latex etc). If you don't use PyX to do this, then putting a white box around the outside of the plot (outside the tick and axis labels) is the simplest way to the same dimensions on each plot so they stack nicely. You could probably also edit the EPS bounding box to do so, but it seems nicer to just have .dat + .py = .eps and .eps + .tex = .ps rather than going through an error-prone step of remembering to change bounding boxes. (Given the number of number of posts to this list about preparing graphs, both 2D and 3D, this is obviously a pretty difficult issue for GNU/Linux users still... but it also seems that things are progressing rapidly. Let the discussion and development continue!) cheers Stuart
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
Hi! i read your thread, it is not a good thead and possible was write by someone who don't have patience to learn something new. Xmgrace is a respectable plot application in scientic comunit and you can do all that origin makes and even more ! i recommend !! Labpot is a excelente progam to! Scigraphica i never use but . Em Quarta 05 Abril 2006 20:27, Jakson A. Aquino escreveu: Hi, On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 12:21:41AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, preferably packaged in Debian. You might be interested in this thread about Publication quality graphs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/msg00053.html Regards, -- Jakson A. Aquino http://distante.dyndns.org:8280/statist.en.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, maicon wrote: Xmgrace is a respectable plot application in scientic comunit and you can do all that origin makes and even more ! i recommend !! Labpot is a excelente progam to! Scigraphica i never use but . If I'm not completely wrong the issue was that the programs you mention are not able to automatically process data without user interaction, but perhaps I missed something. I use gnuplot because I can obtain data from a database, call gnuplot and obtain images without any interaction. In the long run I will probably switch to R because I reached some limits of gnuplot (which I like in principle). Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Maicon, On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 09:05:54AM -0300, maicon wrote: Hi! i read your thread, it is not a good thead and possible was write by someone who don't have patience to learn something new. Xmgrace is a respectable plot application in scientic comunit and you can do all that origin makes and even more ! i recommend !! Labpot is a excelente progam to! Scigraphica i never use but . The thread was not mine: I didn't send any message to it, and I was referring to a thread with 20 messages, not to a single message. Anyway, I must admit that the link that I sent was misleading. The correct one would be: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/threads.html#00053 Reading the thread, you can see that some messages have positive comments about Xmgrace. Best regards, You might be interested in this thread about Publication quality graphs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/msg00053.html -- Jakson A. Aquino http://distante.dyndns.org:8280/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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oh! sorry you are right no was you that write! but, about the real time data I made this question in xmgrace forum, whem the anwser comes I will foward to the list! Em Quinta 06 Abril 2006 10:12, Jakson A. Aquino escreveu: Hi Maicon, On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 09:05:54AM -0300, maicon wrote: Hi! i read your thread, it is not a good thead and possible was write by someone who don't have patience to learn something new. Xmgrace is a respectable plot application in scientic comunit and you can do all that origin makes and even more ! i recommend !! Labpot is a excelente progam to! Scigraphica i never use but . The thread was not mine: I didn't send any message to it, and I was referring to a thread with 20 messages, not to a single message. Anyway, I must admit that the link that I sent was misleading. The correct one would be: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/threads.html#00053 Reading the thread, you can see that some messages have positive comments about Xmgrace. Best regards, You might be interested in this thread about Publication quality graphs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/msg00053.html -- Jakson A. Aquino http://distante.dyndns.org:8280/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6 April 2006 at 15:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What we are missing is a libified gnuplot. The Gnome guys once had a project call guppy (or something like it ...) but it died many years ago. GNU had plotutils, but that's not quite there either. It has becomes a lot easier to embed R with recent versions (as the API is now more cleanly defined) so this _may_ be a route for someone with some spare time -- R has a variety of existing devices (all the usual png, jpeg, pdf, pdf, ...) as well as everything else R itself has, plus the 600+ add-on packages at CRAN (http://cran.r-project.org) and its mirrors. GTk2 is now available from R via the RGtk2 (see http://www.ggobi.org/RGtk2 and my blog for one early .deb; I have a current one and intend to upload it soon) so there may be synergies. Dirk -- Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something. -- Thomas A. Edison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
alternatives to gnuplot ?
Dear Debian-Science, I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, preferably packaged in Debian. Do you have experiences with some of them ? Cheers, -- Bill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Imagine a large red swirl here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
Bill Allombert wrote: Dear Debian-Science, I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, preferably packaged in Debian. Do you have experiences with some of them ? Cheers, R http://www.r-project.org -- Lep pozdrav / With regards, Gregor Gorjanc -- University of Ljubljana PhD student Biotechnical Faculty Zootechnical Department URI: http://www.bfro.uni-lj.si/MR/ggorjan Groblje 3 mail: gregor.gorjanc at bfro.uni-lj.si SI-1230 Domzale tel: +386 (0)1 72 17 861 Slovenia, Europefax: +386 (0)1 72 17 888 -- One must learn by doing the thing; for though you think you know it, you have no certainty until you try. Sophocles ~ 450 B.C. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
Hi, On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 12:21:41AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, preferably packaged in Debian. You might be interested in this thread about Publication quality graphs: http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/msg00053.html Regards, -- Jakson A. Aquino http://distante.dyndns.org:8280/statist.en.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives to gnuplot ?
On 6 April 2006 at 01:01, Gregor Gorjanc wrote: | Bill Allombert wrote: | I am looking for a GNU GPL-compatibly licensed alternative to gnuplot, | preferably packaged in Debian. [...] | | http://www.r-project.org Seconded, though it may not be for the faint of heart. R is much, much_ more general and powerful than GNUplot. Programming with Data is the operative term here. But just for graphs of all varieties, you could do worse. A very nice site with numerous examples, incl their R code, is at http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/index.php Amicalement, Dirk -- Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something. -- Thomas A. Edison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
