Re: debian and robotics
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Leopold Palomo Avellaneda wrote: Once I see that the tasks files are growing I will be happy to add the remaining formalism to finalise the work on this. Feel free to tell me your alioth user name to add you to the CDD group in SVN which grants you write permissions. lepalom-guest Added to CDD group. I don't understand the -guest. "-guest" is attached to all user names if the user is no official Debian developer. In case you would pass the Debian New Maintainer queue you would get an account without guest attached. The idea that I have in mind is to have to have a collection of packages in the robotics area, co-maintained under the umbrella of a group. I don't know if it could be some kind of : apt-get install debian-robotics Well, the idea of Custom Debian Distributions is to support specialized user environments. One part of doing so is to create so called meta packages (see CDD paper [1]) which simplify the installation of a set of packages that are useful to solve a certain task in this field of specialisation. So even if the Project is called Debian Robotics the meta packages are typically called robotics- robotics- ... But the Debian GIS people currently also do have stuff for only one single meta package gis-workstation - which is perfectly valid. Also, looking the repository, I think that robotics should go under debian-science and not at the same level IMHO. Well, exactly this is my advise for "not fully grown CDDs in preparation" as you might call this. Stay under the umbrella of a larger Debian Science CDD is a good idea if you are lacking man power or if there are just to view packages available to make a big fuzz about it. On the other hand we currently you mentioned three tasks for the robotics field (collision-detection, common, typesetting) and the current technique is not able to handle several levels - and I do not see any need for this. According to your suggestion robotics-typesetting is rather a copy of science-typesetting. If robotics stays under science the issue is void and science-typesetting can be used. Moreover robotics-common might actually become science-robotics and robotics-collision-detection contains only one single package that might be perfectly integrated into common for the moment. I just turned this into code in the debian-robotics dir of the CDD repository. My advise would be to fill the gaps in the remaining tasks files (all the missing Homepage, License, Pkg-Description fields). Due to quality issues we can not move the robotics task to debian-science dir, because the web pages for robotics would be rendered quite ugly and I would hate half-brewn stuff in this field. Just tell me once you are finished and we move the robotics task to debian-science and drop debian-robotics until more people might join your team. Otherwise, I have a lot of things to do Sure. Don't underestimate the work. Just start with the small piece you can do for the moment and see how it evolves. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://people.debian.org/~tille/cdd/ -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian and robotics
A Divendres 09 Maig 2008, vàreu escriure: > On Thu, 8 May 2008, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > > Well, I'm working in an specific field of the robotics. But for example > > the list could have: > > > > - rtai > > - xenomai > > RTOS, both in debian now. > > > > - rtnet, not in debian. Modules to have real time extension to the > > network. > > > > - orocos, with debian packages but not in debian > > - orca, not in debian > > - roboop not in debian > > > > - opencv , in debian > > - comedi, in debian ... maybe a bit old? > > > > - octave, coin3d, vtk, gnuplot, boost, opende > > in debian > > > > For collision detection, I think we have nothing. Maybe, > > - d-collide > > > > Also all the typical apps for the scientific write. > > Well, I tried to turn this list into code which is available at > > > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/cdd/projects/robotics/trunk/debian-robotics/task >s/?rev=0&sc=0 > > Please note: I will _NOT_ continue this work. Ok, thanks for do it. > It might serve as a kick > start for you. You can bother me with questions. Several answers to this > questions should be given in the CDD paper[1] and if you prefer examples > over documantation just look at debian-science or debian-med at the same > location as above. Ok. > Once I see that the tasks files are growing I will be > happy to add the remaining formalism to finalise the work on this. Feel > free to tell me your alioth user name to add you to the CDD group in SVN > which grants you write permissions. lepalom-guest I don't understand the -guest. Andreas, This mail was began on friday, because I was in a little trip, but I did a mistake and I couldn't send it. But, I come back and I can write you again. The idea that I have in mind is to have to have a collection of packages in the robotics area, co-maintained under the umbrella of a group. I don't know if it could be some kind of : apt-get install debian-robotics But, I would like to begin to be centered in some packages that I know and then from that point see how could it grow. However, I should read [1] more careful. Also, looking the repository, I think that robotics should go under debian-science and not at the same level IMHO. Otherwise, I have a lot of things to do Regards, Leo [1] http://people.debian.org/~tille/cdd/ -- -- Linux User 152692 PGP: 0xF944807E Catalonia -- -- Linux User 152692 PGP: 0xF944807E Catalonia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: debian and robotics
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: Well, I'm working in an specific field of the robotics. But for example the list could have: - rtai - xenomai RTOS, both in debian now. - rtnet, not in debian. Modules to have real time extension to the network. - orocos, with debian packages but not in debian - orca, not in debian - roboop not in debian - opencv , in debian - comedi, in debian ... maybe a bit old? - octave, coin3d, vtk, gnuplot, boost, opende in debian For collision detection, I think we have nothing. Maybe, - d-collide Also all the typical apps for the scientific write. Well, I tried to turn this list into code which is available at http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/cdd/projects/robotics/trunk/debian-robotics/tasks/?rev=0&sc=0 Please note: I will _NOT_ continue this work. It might serve as a kick start for you. You can bother me with questions. Several answers to this questions should be given in the CDD paper[1] and if you prefer examples over documantation just look at debian-science or debian-med at the same location as above. Once I see that the tasks files are growing I will be happy to add the remaining formalism to finalise the work on this. Feel free to tell me your alioth user name to add you to the CDD group in SVN which grants you write permissions. Kind regards Andreas. [1] http://people.debian.org/~tille/cdd/ -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian and robotics
A Dijous 08 Maig 2008, Andreas Tille va escriure: > On Wed, 7 May 2008, Leopold Palomo Avellaneda wrote: > > The robotics area is very wide. To many kind of packages could go there, > > You should probably come up with a list of these many packages to gain the > interest of people here. Well, I'm working in an specific field of the robotics. But for example the list could have: - rtai - xenomai RTOS, both in debian now. - rtnet, not in debian. Modules to have real time extension to the network. - orocos, with debian packages but not in debian - orca, not in debian - roboop not in debian - opencv , in debian - comedi, in debian ... maybe a bit old? - octave, coin3d, vtk, gnuplot, boost, opende in debian For collision detection, I think we have nothing. Maybe, - d-collide Also all the typical apps for the scientific write. > > so, depends on the people, the interest, etc the idea could be possible > > or not. > > The idea is always possible. ;-) :-) > The question is rather whether enough people are willing to do the grunt > work. With the Debian Med project I gained the experience that starting > with real work and presenting something that exists is the best way to > convince people to join the project. The amount of work I had to do for > this project convinced me, that engaging in one CDD is work enough to > not start another one myself - so I can hopefully be helpful but not > on the top of the activities for some other CDD. (As a physicist by > profession I would feel competent for a Debian Physics CDD but I stay > away from this job for simple time limitations.) > > > Also, I don't know how to put this in a debian-scince cdd. > > I would strongly advise to start with a tasks file inside debian-science > like you can find in the SVN at > > svn://svn.debian.org/cdd/projects/science/trunk/debian-science/tasks > > Just follow the scheme of the other tasks files and add the packages you > consider relevant. This might be a good test case whether there is really > enough stuff for a separate Debian Robotics. Ok, in the TODO list. Thanks, Leo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian and robotics
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Leopold Palomo Avellaneda wrote: The robotics area is very wide. To many kind of packages could go there, You should probably come up with a list of these many packages to gain the interest of people here. so, depends on the people, the interest, etc the idea could be possible or not. The idea is always possible. ;-) The question is rather whether enough people are willing to do the grunt work. With the Debian Med project I gained the experience that starting with real work and presenting something that exists is the best way to convince people to join the project. The amount of work I had to do for this project convinced me, that engaging in one CDD is work enough to not start another one myself - so I can hopefully be helpful but not on the top of the activities for some other CDD. (As a physicist by profession I would feel competent for a Debian Physics CDD but I stay away from this job for simple time limitations.) Also, I don't know how to put this in a debian-scince cdd. I would strongly advise to start with a tasks file inside debian-science like you can find in the SVN at svn://svn.debian.org/cdd/projects/science/trunk/debian-science/tasks Just follow the scheme of the other tasks files and add the packages you consider relevant. This might be a good test case whether there is really enough stuff for a separate Debian Robotics. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian and robotics
Hi, following the thread - Science linguistics and debian-science SVN repository at alioth I would like to ask if someone here are interested in create some kind of group or cdd to create and maintain software packages in the robotics area. I'm not a dd, but I have done some packages. The robotics area is very wide. To many kind of packages could go there, so, depends on the people, the interest, etc the idea could be possible or not. Also, I don't know how to put this in a debian-scince cdd. Opinions, ideas? Best regards, Leo -- -- Linux User 152692 PGP: 0xF944807E Catalonia signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
