Re: Bug#848859: Lowering the bug`s severity

[Jose Luis Rivero]

Hello Santiago:

On 27/12/16 10:26, Santiago Vila wrote:
> 
> Sorry if you don't like my communication style. Please try not to
> dismiss completely the build logs I sent and maybe you will see how my
> communication style improves greatly.
> 

The communication style is involve in the respect that everyone
deserves, and as such, please don't use it in a negotiation. No matter
what technical problem are you solving, no matter how obvious is the
problem you try to explain, no matter how you disagree with the
decisions taken. Nothing gives you the option of being disrespectful.

Point 1 in the code of conduct:
https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

Thanks and happy holidays.

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Bug#848859: Lowering the bug`s severity

[Santiago Vila]

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:11:56AM +0100, Anton Gladky wrote:
> 2016-12-27 9:50 GMT+01:00 Santiago Vila :
> > This means, if you are bad at math, that the error will happen once
> > every 20 tries. If you only built it 5 times, you did not really tried
> > to reproduce it.
> 
> I'm not going to build every package 20 times to catch a "possible" bug,

The build logs I sent prove that there is bug, so it's not a "possible" bug.

> The main source of information for this type of bugs is the
> buildds [1] for me. They are happy at the moment.

The main, maybe, but it should not be the only one.

In particular, if something happens 1 every 20 times on average, the
fact that it did not happen when you try 10 times does not mean in any
way that it may not happen.

This is basic math, and everybody here (debian-science) should be aware of that.

Sorry if you don't like my communication style. Please try not to
dismiss completely the build logs I sent and maybe you will see how my
communication style improves greatly.

Thanks.

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Bug#848859: Lowering the bug`s severity

[Anton Gladky]

2016-12-27 9:50 GMT+01:00 Santiago Vila :
> This means, if you are bad at math, that the error will happen once
> every 20 tries. If you only built it 5 times, you did not really tried
> to reproduce it.

I'm not going to build every package 20 times to catch a "possible" bug,
sorry. The main source of information for this type of bugs is the
buildds [1] for me. They are happy at the moment.

And please change the style of communication with me.

Cheers

[1] https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=getfem%2B%2B

Anton

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Bug#848859: Lowering the bug`s severity

[Santiago Vila]

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 08:20:54AM +0100, Anton Gladky wrote:
> severity 848859 minor
> tags 848859 +unreproducible
> thanks
> 
> Hi  Santiago,
> 
> thanks for your bugreport! I tried to reproduce the failing
> test, building getfem on barriere.d,o 5 times but in all
> cases it did not failed. Also the last upload of getfem was
> successfully built on all supported platforms.
> 
> Nevertheless I am not closing the bug, but lowering its
> severity for the case if the bug will appear again.

The bug is probably still there, just that you didn't really bother to
reproduce it. I clearly said this in my bug report:

"The failure rate is around 5%, so if you try to reproduce this,
please try a *lot* of times."

This means, if you are bad at math, that the error will happen once
every 20 tries. If you only built it 5 times, you did not really tried
to reproduce it.

And then you didn't bother to Cc:me on this message, which I had to
read from debian-bugs-rc@l.d.o.

For this reason, I consider this downgrade of yours unacceptable and a
bad joke.

I'm going to repeat my tests in unstable, just for the case that some
already-fixed build-dependency was to blame for this, but if I still
reproduce this I will restore the original severity, as packages *must*
build from source *without* failure, this is not an invention of mine,
it's Release Policy.

Thanks.

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Bug#848859: Lowering the bug`s severity

[Anton Gladky]

severity 848859 minor
tags 848859 +unreproducible
thanks

Hi  Santiago,

thanks for your bugreport! I tried to reproduce the failing
test, building getfem on barriere.d,o 5 times but in all
cases it did not failed. Also the last upload of getfem was
successfully built on all supported platforms.

Nevertheless I am not closing the bug, but lowering its
severity for the case if the bug will appear again.

Best regards

Anton

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